Obama's groveling to Islam is really paying dividends.
 

I guess Obama will be using the same response to the economy and how his jobs programs are working for his apology for the Koran being burned.
"it could have been worse"

The problem is this time he will have not saved or created anything.

Lets see, a book gets burned and Americans die. A little overkill to me.

Good plan Obama!

Three have died so far and more to come I am sure.

It would have been 30 without the needed apology. Burning their bible was a crude mistake and should have came with an apology.

I can see that you are an ardent student of Niccolo Machiavelli and hsi Treastie "The Prince" .............Kool

I bet that is as easy to track and verify as the jobs!

So when does someone apologize to use for all the deaths, flag burning, bible burning and hatred?

Why are we even still there?

You have a link or source to back up that statement or is it just another one of your "honest opinions"?

There was a saying among us over in the Nam, "Kill them all, let God sort them out." Seems that would work really go over in that neck of the woods.

Obama's lofty opinion of what he thinks he wields. Going on four years now and one would think he would understand that words and optics do not work outside the USA.

Apologies were made by those in charge. Obama added zero value.....again.

btk

You know obama wants to be in muslim country so get the h out of the US and lets try to get this country back I'm sick of hearing about obama get him out Newt can do a better job. Sorry I'm ok now

I thought Islam was a peaceful religion.....

I suppose the same comment could be made about any religion. I thought Christianity was a peaceful religion but how many people were killed in the crusades or during WWII by the Nazis (all christians). What we often forget is that while religions profess peace and peaceful relations, there are a lot of bad people in the world who often try to hide behind religion or profess to do God's will even though they are doing their own will.

Re the apology, I thought the Bible teaches one to turn the other cheek and to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. By apologizing isn't President Obama, in fact, doing exactly what is taught by all the Judeo-Christian and Islamic holy books?

No, you're not. :smiley:

Newt can't even win his own Party's nomination !!! His own Party prefers a wackaddo like Sanitarium over Newt.

Trouble with Newt is that he is always the dumbest person in the room.

Anyway, the White House doesn't have enough bedrooms to accommodate all of Newt's mistresses, girlfriends, ex-wives - and whatever else it is he messes around with.

Bet you also thought Christianity was a peaceful religion to, hu?

Abortion Doctor Killed By Christian Fundamentalist

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I realize that bad people hide behind a religion to do their bad things. Christianity is founded on a doctrine of love. You might want to brush up on some history of the Third Reich. They were not Christians. Any pastor who dared to continue preaching the Gospel of Jesus, was "removed" from his pulpit.

Persecution of Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talking about the Crusades, you might want to do some research on that also. Not defending the Christians on this one, but most of their fighting was to defend against the Islamic attempt to convert or be killed/take over of the world.
http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.co...x?article=1483

I doubt that this guy was a true follower of Jesus, or a true PRO-LIFER. His actions do not meet the definition of a Christian Fundamentalist.

People who talk about the Crusades are dealers in antiquity. How many hundreds of years ago was that? (The Crusades did turn back Islam from it's dreams of world conquest, so maybe we should be examining it after all) But it's not the modern day Church and hasn't been for hundreds of years.

Also to bring up one guy, or even two guys, who are bad actors and happen to be Christian or have a warped idea of Christianity is still stupid as it doesn't reflect a Christian tenet.

Nazi's???...........seriously, Nazi's???...........Are you saying that the Fascist Nazi's attempt at world domination and the extermination of all who weren't Aryan was a "Christian Movement".............are you really trying to make that correlation????

Now Islam, there you have a religion that preaches the destruction of all that isn't part of their religion. It preaches the death of all who would leave that religion. To equate this violent religion with modern day Christianity is indicative of an ignorance of great proportion.

Play-offs? Play-offs?....Are you kidding me? ... Play-offs? :doh:

Richie: Hitler often used Christianity in his speeches. Among other things, Jews were considered the tools of Satan and to be persecuted for killing Christ.

From Mein Kampf:
From the German Worker's Party (pre-Nazi name) 25-point "Programme":
From Hitler's speech in Munich on 4/12/1922:
I could go on.

One major difference, though, is that many Christians rose up to defeat this guy - self-policing, if you will. There's not nearly enough of that in Islam - at least not yet.

You certainly could go on! Go ahead and quote Adolf's wicked book all day long, if you like. It is just another example of a false sheperd leading sheep astray. That doesn't change the fact that none of the quotes are in line with sound Biblical doctrine...hence, you can call the Nazis rhodedenrums, but don't expect them to ever pollinate!

Big freakin' deal!!........Was Hitler endorsed by the Church???

Get real DJ.

Some argue that Pius XII's silence was an endorsement. Just throwing that out. No opinion on it myself.

Richie: Which one?

The Catholic church who have never really lived down their silence on the matter? (To be fair, I'm not sure what to really make of that)

He said he was Christian - and got a lot of people following him in a very Christian country. Of course he's not what most people think of when they think of the "typical Christian" - but my point was that just wearing the label "Christian" doesn't make you better than others.

If I remember the passage correctly - "by their actions, ye shall know them".

So maybe they should have destroyed the Church as well as the Third Reich? What in blazes are you talking about? To equate Nazi Germany with the Church is a despicable thing.

Wearing the "label" of Christian doesn't even make you a Christian.
1 Samuel 16:77 But the Lord said..., “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees;[a] for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Being a Christian doesn't mak you better than others either.
Romans 3:22-24
22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

The passage you seek regarding knowing us by our actions is possibly this one.
John 13:3535 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I think that Pope John II apologized for their lack of action during the Holocaust. However, the Church is an organization comprised of many members. Each one of these Christians have choices to make each day. Many Christians lost their lives to defending and hiding Jews, smuggling them to freedom, etc. Get a copy of Bonhoeffer, the biography of a Lutheran pastor who was executed by the Third Reich for his work to help Jews. Read the Hiding Place, an autobiography of a 54 year old Dutch lady, Corrie Ten Boom. She and her 80 year old father and 60 year old sister provide food, hiding and smuggled Jews out of Nazi occupied Holland. They were Christians in the Dutch Reformed Church. Both her father and sister died in the camps, but Corrie survived almost 2 years doing hard labor. When she was released, she lived to be 90 years old, travelling the world telling of the love of God. After the war was over, she met a former Nazi soldier who asked her for forgiveness. Which she gave to him!

My question is this-Which one of us would stand against the persecution of our Jewish neighbors? Which one of us would risk it all for the life of our neighbor or even a wrongly persecuted stranger in our midst? I for one cannot say what I would do, and I hope that I never am faced with the choice. Therefore, I have no right to judge the Catholic church, heirarchy OR common members, for whatever their response was, when they watched idlely by as their friends, neighbors, countrymen were herded off in the middle of the night and never seen again.

Here's another scripture reference for you-When the men brought an adulterous woman to Jesus to seek her punishment, Jesus looked at them all and ...John 8:7-11 He said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

where did you ever get that idea?

I presume that you will agree that sharia law is radical and bad?

Islam is sharia law. Ergo Islam is radical and bad.

I think it's that simple.

Uh...just my attempt at sarcasm..

Not knowing all about Sharia law, I can't comment. The closest thing I *do* know a *little* about would be some of the Jewish kashrut (learned by osmosis from working for an observant Jew and becoming friends with him and his family over the course of 7 years).

There are aspects of Sharia law I've heard of that are clearly over the line. But, there's nothing wrong with writing a business contract stipulating, for example, that work will only be done during certain hours.

It goes over the line when stipulations start violating someone's rights - especially those that the court says you cannot sign away (as an example, you cannot sell yourself into slavery in this country).

The Bible itself has verses stating when it's ok to sell your kids into slavery and when you're allowed to stone your wife to death. If someone looked at that and said "Bible bad, Bible is Christianity, therefore Christianity bad", you'd disagree - with good reason.

Sharia doesn't apply to me and I will oppose any effort to make it so. The same holds true for the kashrut and many of the things in the Bible.

Now you have a great Idea. Lets use all we have learned in the past, destroy all current religions and start a new one that will be good for man kind.

Good luck with that. I also think you need to look up the definition of "faith".

I have faith in GOD, not some perverted man made religion.

Your hate for other people is truly incredible.

I love everyone except those that prey on other people like perverted priests. I have more respect for an armed robber than any Religious figure that take advantage of the week. Church leaders should be small and local as they become evil when they get large congregations.

Sorry to see that you would give an armed robber any level of respect.

Richie - an honest question for you.

Would you believe me if I told you how hurt I was when I found out that it wasn't just Cardinal Law covering up for the pedophile priests in Boston? I remember having a discussion with some friends about how this would NEVER have happened under his predecessor, Cardinal Cushing.

...then the news broke, some weeks later, that Cushing was just as guilty as Law.

Until that point, I was hanging my hopes on Law being a 'rogue', if you take my meaning. The more the story broke, the more reams of documents that were turned over after the Church denying they existed... The more my heart broke and the more angry I became.

In all honesty, I think the thing I hated the most about all that (on a personal level) is how it tarnishes my memories of the good priests I grew up with. Though I was never molested in any way, the actions of those criminals planted doubt in my mind. I keep telling myself that Father Mike and Father Houde and others were just as good people after the revelations (which never had anything to do with them) as they were in my mind before.. But it's not easy.

Est-li failb ?(Is he weak?) Nicolas Skarzoy....Boy did he have Obama pegged.

Would you care to give us the locations of these verses (in bold from your quote) and the context in which they were written?

OK DJ, fine. You and Villager have lots of hate for the Catholic Church. I get it and find it appalling. You take every single opportunity to bash the Church, so don't deny it.

You're the same person who defends Islam at every opportunity and defends their "holy book, the Koran.

I'm shakin' my head DJ, I'm shakin' my head.