When Stopped By Police and Legally Carrying a Firearm
 

I remember recent discussions where the the legal carrying of a weapon was discussed and thought some might like seeing the video that came to my attention through FaceBook!

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm - YouTube

Very interesting and informative.

Thanks Sky

In a lot of the states, the officer knows that you have a carry permit, as it shows up when they do the initial stop and call in your license plate number.

Good post.

I saw a little police blotter report in the Daily Sun this morning. A man was dropping his wife off at a store. A car comes in back of him and does not like to be kept waiting. The car circles the parking lot, parks by the first man. The driver gets out and begins cursing at the first man for blocking his way and in the heat of the arguement - raises his shirt to display a revolver in a holster. That dude is now charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

Hot heads do not mix with concealed weapons.

Thank You :police:

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Thanks
 

I have all of Ayoob's books and used to teach from them, but that is the first time I have seen him presenting anything.
Thanks for the link.
Larry

For all you Florida CWL holders, read, heed and take to heart the FL statutue on display of a firearm. You might want to cool your heels.

I see no reason to carry a gun around here in TV. NONE. For those that do...it seems to be a form of showing off. When you bring it up they spout out things they have heard at meetings and things they have read.To me it is like a big mind control thing. Like a cult or religion. There is no real or imminent danger here in The Villages at this time.

The Constitution says we have the right to bear arms and that is good when and if there is a real and apparent danger.

People in The Villages do not need to ask dumb questions of each other like I have read on this forum...like..do you take your gun to the dentist...or to the doctor's office. I have read on this forum about people here who say things that are so provoking and show lack of control of temper and lack of good judgement that if two of them would show their poor judgements by taunting each other in person and had guns...there could be a deadly altercation.

I believe in everyone second ammendment rights but I do not see why anyone would carry a gun around The Villages.

Sit down and get comfortable...because people are gonna tell me why........

As usual, Gracie, you are right. However, there are those who think a gun is necessary apparel at all times. No reason for it in The Villages, though.

I know of one lady (85 years old) who just got her CCW license and her husband is in a wheelchair and homebound. He keeps a revolver in the side pocket of his wheelchair.

Another person I heard of answers his door (day or night) with a pistol ready to use in a hip holster. He said he is frightened of home invasion in The Villages.

Seems foolish to me to live that scared - especially in a slice of Heaven like The Villages.

I agree, no need for gun in the villages. To many cowboys that are all show.

Graciegirl, who is going to tell us when a, to use your words is close at hand?

There needs to be some changes in the CWL requirements by most all of the states. Many have no training requirements, requiring you to learn about the laws pertaining to concealed carry. Most of the concealed carry classes here in Florida are a joke. Also you don't need any class instruction if you are prior military and have a DD 214 or a hunter safety class. Hunter safety class does not require that you fire a shoot. A DD 214 issued 30 years ago to a draftee, ain't nothing wrong with draftees, but his sole job in the military was a cook, who only fired a rifle twice during his entire military career, is a joke when it comes to issuing a concealed permit. At least have the requirement that they attended a class on the statute pertaining to concealed carry and know and understand the law, with a certificate issued by an approved trainer, either state certified or NRA certified. BTW I am both.

I don't really worry to much about those that carry here in TV, my biggest fear is those idiots that drive. Traffic circles are a death trap and everyone seems to be in a hurry to get somewhere fast.

OK Gang!
 

I'm going with I2RdHD advise,

I do have a conceled permit here in NY got it for Deer hunting way back when. It was not a conceled type of pistol but the permits were easier to get back then.

I'm going with the advise of my friends. As with the depates of Elec vs Gas carts.

Both sides have good honest and at times emotional points. However never going to win a debate over the other.:boxing2:

IMHO i'ts easy. If you want to carry

1: Legal Permits
2: Class Room for the legal limits of the law, Range Instructors Carry Instructions. Range Practice and more Practice
3: It's a covert personel protection and is not to show off brag or threaten with.
4: Have fun at the target range drawing imaginary faces on targets!:coolsmiley:

Well maybe strike #4 :ohdear:

Car Guy,

What were you shooting deer with in New York so you would need a Concealed Weapon License? Most people use a shotgun with slugs or even a "deer rifle" and those certainly cannot be concealed on your person.

I suppose you could use a .44 magnum but would have to be very good with it.

Graicie your comment:
"For those that do...it seems to be a form of showing off."

May be appropriate for the miniscule number that behave as you allege.
I will venture to say those who behave in such a manner they probably do not have a permit.

And for those of us who do have permits there is no way any would behave as you inappropriately paint those who carry with a very inaccurate picture of who they are and how they behave.

It is OK to not be for guns and what ever else comes with the belief. It is quite another to to speak negatively about a segment of the population that most of you know nothing about.

The so called "need" to own and or carry a gun is, as I have stated many, MANY times on TOTV, no different than carrying insurance (of any kind). Insurance is nothing more than a just in case situation....is it not?
People who feel differently about guns than you and many like you need to understand that those of us who do carry do so for the VERY SAME REASON, just in case.

I never attempt to change an anti gun's person views. I do however, take exception when well meaning folks like yourself, characterize us in a totally incorrect and negative way.

Gun owners are not what you see on the permitted violence called entertainment in the movies and television. They also are not the character painted by the media. They are your neighbors!!!

A real plus for many of you folks is that unlike the just in case insurance you have to pay for.....you get the benefit of us being in your midst....for free. We do what is right, under the law, and just in case, to protect ourselves or YOU!!!!

btk

What I'd do
 

Well, I’ve probably got more training with firearms than most folks. I was an Air Force Combat Controller for seven years. During that time I had quite a bit of firearms training and experience. Then I went through a police academy and was a cop for two years.

I didn’t purchase a gun, though, until an incident in the panhandle of Florida 15 or 20 years ago. A couple from the United Kingdom were traveling and stopped in a rest area west of Tallahassee and were gunned down by some young punks.

We traveled a lot and I told my wife that if we’d been there I would have had to try to help but without a gun, and against numerous young thugs with guns, I don’t know what I could have done.

So, I purchased a S&W .357 revolver. It’ what I had as a cop and I knew the gun and wouldn’t have to worry about how to take the safety off. LOL!

Since I purchased it I’ve only fired it, maybe, 20 times. I keep five chambers loaded and nothing in the chamber aligned with the muzzle in case of a fire in the house or car. Why would you need more than two or three loaded chambers anyway unless you are a pathetic marksman?

My wife travels alone to visit her family in NC so we recently purchased a S&W Bodygurard .38 for her. We both have Conceal/Carry permits.

We don’t carry unless we’re traveling but if we we’re stopped by law enforcement for any reason we would hand our conceal/carry permit with our drivers license to the officer to let him know we are carrying and are legal. I’d never just tell them I have a firearm.

And, if someone is harassing you and you want to warn them you have a firearm you could simply show them your conceal/carry permit. That is legal…, showing them your gun is not!

Gracie, I know you don't get why people carry in a place like TV but, as you know, there are reasons. Everyone has a story. Some stories are pretty, some are not. Some carry just in case they need it. Some have had experiences that have let them know they need it. Some are truly in danger from another and carry for protection. Some do it just because they can. As safe as TV is, it does have its elements. So, we carry and most of us pray that the only place we will ever have to fire our weapons is at a shooting range. Regardless, we carry.

The majority who carry are very careful of their weapons. They don't flash them. They rarely even announce they have a weapon on or near them. They try to be law-abiding. Many really do know the gun laws of the state they are in and fully abide by them. Many of us take every gun-safety class we can. We know our weapons and their limitations. Hopefully, we know our own limitations as well.

You really need to re-read the Florida Statute on banishing. Rules are a little different for CWL holders, you can be charge even if you don't have the firearm on you. So be careful of what you display to someone.

Ahhh 73 not 2012
 

Good question. Took two Deer. One with a Smith and Wesson 8/3/ inch 41 Magnum. One with a Thompson Contender 35 Remington Mag!

Hate Shot Guns with Slugs, Rather use a Bow or Pistol. Southern Tier Shot Gun is correct except for legal pistol rounds
At the time only conceled permits were issued. Were talking 1973 before screaming liberal NYS judges took the bench and tried to take away your right to carry.

True Story
 

My sister was a single mom, living next to my Dad raising a young son. Nameless animal broke in to her house. Held her at knife point. Cut off her hair, tied the boy up in the closed, rapped and beat my sister for 12 hours. The pictures of her bruised body after than night still stay in my mind.

He stole her car credit cards and money. Took off from NY headed south. Ran a road block and forced a trooper off the road in PA. Was caught escaped from the PA hospital and was later apprehended in Arizona. The criminal was on the run for over 9 months.

Red witch you summed it up. Some have been through horrific crimes. Our family is still watching the release dates if he gets out! Parole is coming up again in two years. He has stated in letters mailed out to my sister from prison he will hunt us all down and kill us.

Gracie that is not a very nice story is it. My sister has moved with her life. A grandmother/ A wonderful loving new husband and his business took them to TN.

At church the women came up to her and said . Would you like to join our Ladies Pistol Club. Women shoot free on Friday Nights! From NY where you could not get a concealed permit to TN.

It's all not good.:sad:

Billy. I respect you mightily. But I don't respect people who think it is o.k. to carry guns in a peaceful quiet community like ours. I don't know what I can learn about that particular mindset but according to my first amendment rights I can be a conservative and a person who is against laws like the one in Florida and have the right to say how I feel. I am 71 years old and none of the people that I know personally, none of my family carry guns or feel the need to. I have had three careers and in all that time working and flying across the country and moving about my world, I have never met anyone who tried to personally harm me.

I realize that others have had very dissimilar lives, but no one I know personally, including all of my huge family has had anyone try to harm them or rob them. They have never been in trouble with the law and they just aren't looking for trouble or put themselves in harms way if they can help it. I don't know why I should change my mind. I know bad stuff happens and I believe in the right to bear arms, but I don't see why people would carry firearms here in The Villages.

Now if I lived in an area or moved about in an area of high crime, I might feel differently.

AND if some gunman breaks into my home and shoots me and my loved ones and steals my good dutch oven...please do not feel you need to send flowers. Just say.. She was wrong.

Why do police carry guns in quiet respectful little towns? Ask a police officer how often they have to draw their guns let alone fire it. Statistically not very often.

The issue is not the quiet respectful little towns. As I said it is like one chooses to have insurance for a catastrophic event that is unlikely to happen.

The same reason you have a spare in the trunk. In the unlikely event you need it.

There is no conscious decision to carry a gun or any other form of defense based on living in a quiet respectful area or not. It is more akin to the thought process required to put on your watch or carry a wallet.

Each and every one has a right to believe as they see fit. And I personally do not believe one should assign respect or not or dislike another because of the choices they make.

It is very unfortunate that the majority of the populations knowledge base about guns comes from the sensationalizing by the media. And the disgustingly over dramatization of gun use in movies and television.
These represent the minority report on the illegal use of fire arms. While the majority, millions and millions of us who adhere to the laws of the land are over shadowed by the minority reporting and distorted entertainment industries.

I also know from years and years and years of defending us law abiding, safe gun owners.....it is a waste of time to present our case. However I cannot pass an opportunity to make sure the true side of gun ownership is heard as well as the distorted side.

btk

so the hated list is
1. guns
2. dog poop
3. fast golf carts
4. roundabouts
5. people driving in the left lanes
6. people that dont use their turn signals
7. people that dont repair divots
8. that guy that doesnt like people to shoot the 'bird'
have i missed anything?

:agree:

You forgot to put Snowbirds on your list. :cryin2:

All I know is I have mine and if you don't want one that's your option, and I could care less,
but don't ask me to be your cop, he'll be there whenever he gets a chance. It's only your family at risk.
Like an insurance policy. Chances are your house won't catch fire, but it can and does happen. Why not be prepared? Why not cover all possible ways to protect your family? How would you feel if you let your family be brutalized and raped and did nothing because you didn't like guns?

In addtion to fast golf carts (#3) add slow golf carts.

Is there a maximum age for obtaining a CWL? It probably varies by state, but curious as to the general age limit if they exist.

On July 24, 2007, the quiet Connecticut town of Cheshire was shocked by a brutal home invasion that left a house in flames, a wife and her two daughters dead ...
Operative word "quiet".....Just like The Villages. Gracie, I don't know you but I would bet a million dollars you would answer the door bell at 8pm with a "who's here for coffee" mentality when in fact it is two clowns on crack deciding to smash in the first door that opens. Wake up and realize the police can't be everywhere. I refuse to risk my life and the life of my wife when I don't have to. I have trained and I am ready. I pray the day never comes when I answer the door to someone I do not want to come in. By the way, my outside storm door remains locked day and night. Better safe than sorry and always remember "be sure of you surroundings at all times".

Tips
 

We both had the CWL in Texas and we were taught that if/when stopped by police to immediately place your hands palms up in plain view on top of the steering wheel and to not put them out of sight until the officer got to your window and instructed you to do so. We were also instructed to tell the officer that you have your CWL and to present it along with your license. You are only required in Texas to show it if you have your weapon with you. It's just easier if you do it anyway.

I was stopped once, did as I had learned, and all the officer asked me was if I had it with me and where it was. When I told him that it was in the door pocket, all he said was "Would you leave it there, please.", and walked back to his vehicle. When he returned, he gave me back my licenses and told me to have a nice day.

One of the primary reasons I got a CWL was that we used to travel quite a bit and I could not be left in the vehicle with a gun without one. (You are in violation if you are in a vehicle alone with a handgun and do not have a permit even if someone else does.) I did not get out everytime my husband did nor did he when I got out. I also felt much safer having it when I had to work swing or midnight shifts since our plant was located some 20 miles outside of town or when I had to be home alone when he was working those or sometimes a double shift.

Under no circumstances could you display your gun. If the outline could be detected under your clothing, that was considered display and you could be arrested for not having it concealed since Texas is a Concealed Carry State.

IAW federal law you must be 21 years old to purchase a hundgun. Without doing lots of checking I believe that all the states require CWL holders to be 21 years of age, IAW federal handgun ownership laws. There is a court case moving slowly in Texas to give 18 year olds the right to have a CWL. What the status of that case is I don't know as I have not been following it that closely.

If you want to check the facts, google Gun Facts Version 6 and read the complete report, below is just one myth that is busted concerning firearms.

Myth: Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.

Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.

Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year. ABC News, July 17, 2001

Just a few more facts.

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Everyone have a nice day.

FB, what you presented above will never, ever be seen or heard via the public media. It is counter to the distorted image they prefer to brainwash the masses with.

btk

FB, thanks for the information. I was wondering about a maximum age for carrying. As we age (and don't I know!) ones reflexes, judgement etc. aren't what they used to be. Elderly/aging men and women carrying weapons could present a different set of potential safelty problems for them and those around them. Something to consider, especially in retirement communities. I haven't seen any data one way or another just a thought.

Neither have I seem anything about a maximum carry age requirement. Sort of think it is the same for the driving requirement. (That's a joke.) Found a patch on the internet that sort of sums it up.

"Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

Once we reach a certain age, avoidance and deterrence will be come my way to live, just as I do now. Remember your first choice of self protection should be your cell phone and avoiding things that will put you or your in harms way.

BTW, there is a new club just getting started in The Villages, its called the Villages Straight Shooters. They meet on the third Thursday night, 6:30 PM, Sea Breeze Rec Center, that is tonight. The VSS has a website, The Villages Straight Shooters Club - Home

Also the VSSs will be offering classes on firearm safety and will be doing some shooting at a local range for any one that is interested in learning how of SAFELY handle a firearm. Come on out and visit with the VSS members and see if this is something that you would like to do. All Villagers are welcome.

Thanks for the link, FB
 

Figmo Bohica; thanks for letting us know about that club.
We were wondering where/how to get some practice regularly and who to contact.
You solved it!
See ya there, once we get sold/bought/moved.
Larry

I often wonder why those that think TV is so safe lock thir doors and windows when they go out and do the same when they park their cars. Many forget that TV has a large percentage of renters and problem children living with their parents. According to the Sheriff giving the talk when we moved here, they commit about 93% of the crime in TV. Heavens yes, there is crime in TV. If you look for it you will find the news stories. If you wear blinders and buy into the slice of heaven safest place on earth thing then you will be oblivious.

Just talk to a Disney ex employee to find out how crime free the happiest place on earth really is. Appearances can be deceiving and if we protect ourselves based only on what dangers befall those we know, we would be vulnerable to all the horrors that befall those we do not know. And that is considerable If I knew where I would need a gun I just would not go there. I also find it amusing when people disparage gun owners or gun carriers due to the actions of a very small minority but would not think to do the same to those who drink alcohol. I am not muh of a drinker and yet have to put up with drunks at the Town Squares whenever I go there at night. Just do not understand the need to drink in our slice of heaven. :)

I am one of those people who have avoided violence with my gun. Both times while at places I thought were very safe. Too many people buy insurance, install burglar alarms, etc. after the need arises. Not going to do that with my life. Too many are naive as they have not been exposed to crime yet. I know a few of them who went from anti guns to not enough guns. :). As I tell others, I will not complain about your drunk car and cart diving if you do not complain about the gun you do not even know I am carrying. In most cases those who are against guns do not even know how they work or the gun laws that govern their use. Hard to present an educated opinion on that basis.

Age?
 

The question reminded me of an episode of the tv show COPS many yrs ago..An officer responding to a suspicious person call, by an elderly female, was approacing the house when 6 shots rang out from a revolver..

The officer eventually made contact with the elderly lady and she stated that she saw a shadow out the back door,was afraid,and unloaded..There was never any evidence found of any attempt of intrusion or blood trails..

The officer admonished the lady about target acquisition...Then helped her reload her gun and put it back in her nightstand..True story..ONLY IN TEXAS...

Gotta love them

Thanks Figmo
 

BTW, there is a new club just getting started in The Villages, its called the Villages Straight Shooters. They meet on the third Thursday night, 6:30 PM, Sea Breeze Rec Center, that is tonight. The VSS has a website, The Villages Straight Shooters Club * - Home

Also the VSSs will be offering classes on firearm safety and will be doing some shooting at a local range for any one that is interested in learning how of SAFELY handle a firearm. Come on out and visit with the VSS members and see if this is something that you would like to do. All Villagers are welcome.

Thanks for the information. Will have to come visit when were down there.

I don't LIKE guns and never have BUT I do have a concealed weapon permit. I may or may not carry a concealed weapon but that's for me to know and maybe for you to wonder about! Especially if you are intending me harm! You may think twice with so many permits being issued!