Obama's story about same sex marriages discussions with
 

Michelle and the girls at the dinner table the other night was so pathetically phony.

The man proves he has no limit on how low he will go when he fabricates something like this about his girls to "authenticate" his position on the gay movement.

If he and or his team was smart they would have left this one alone. It wasn't necessary to speak on it at all, just like some of his other vote getting testimonials.

This one however is going to have the reverse affect. He may...MAY...PICK UP SOME OF THE GAY VOTE BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO OFFSET THAT WHICH HE WILL LOSE (excuse the caps..it was not intended).

Nothing is sacred...and less is genuine coming from him to get re-elected.

btk

Read what Obama actually said in that interview.

Obama Frequently Mentions His Daughters in Public Remarks - NYTimes.com

And just how is it that you know, with certainty, that it was phoney???? :mad:

I saw the interview when it was presented (of course by Brian Williams NBC).

It comes off phony, as the article said Obama rarely uses his girls except to validate....the so called validation was not needed by or for ANYBODY except Obama. It added/adds no value for anybody else except MAYBE the voting block he is courting. And I think most of them are intelligent enough to not need Obama's made up familial backing to add credibility to his position.



So his guarding the "girls" PRIVACY is a priority in such a visible environment as the office of POTUS ...until or unless unless it serves a political purpose that is.

The people who are supposed to be his counselors must know the risk of it coming off as phony, but they used it anyway....stooping to another new low and reeks of desperation.

btk

I believe the interview when President Obama talked about his family's reaction to gay couples that was filmed at the White House was with Robin Roberts of ABC for Good Morning America. If there was one with Brian Williams, I missed it. It seems to be true that young people have no problem with same-sex marriage like old people do.

Janmcn..."It seems to be true that young people have no problem with same-sex marriage like old people do."

You have taken the bait!!!!

If a statement had to be made about what young VS old people have a problem with it would be more accurate to state something like as in the past, MOST, young people like old people have higher traditional values regarding same sex openness of today. The portrayal to the contrary is fueled by Hollywood, the media and now even the POTUS.....that it is OK/accepted/etc.
At best it might rate that in our propensity of the modern day permissiveness.....it is tolerated!!!

btk

How many times does he have to make stuff up and say it before you get wise to this man ? This is pretty much his MO for 3 years..start with closing GTMO right through the health care bill and continuing on and on

There were 2 reasons I didn't support Obama in the primaries the last time around. His stance on gay issues was one of them. Times are a changing!!

Soon this won't be an issue for anyone.

Equal rights for all.....

Amen. This is a civil rights issue, and President Obama advocates equal rights for all. Nobody in this country should be discriminated against because of who they love anymore than they should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, their gender, their nationality, or their religion.

we just have to transition from those values/traits/beliefs that were wrong all of our lives.

I do believe we are becoming too permissive about far too many issues that were or are founded in our roots....like it or not.

I prefer the old fashioned values that most of us grew up with like respect, discipline and the majority rules to name a few.

And like it or not on the issue of same sex marriages, it does not appear to be a majority supported issue. I am not promoting, just stating the obvious.

Like so many other issues related to the interpretation of rights....it is usually agitated by a minority until it becomes political then the vote potential kicks in then the media takes over and the minority all of a sudden is the dominant position. Funny how the majority continues to let that happen.

btk

Last night on television, the news crawler on the bottom of the screen said 51% of US citizens were IN FAVOR of gay marriage. Oh yeah, it was FOX during the Hannity show.

Only your distorted perception. :sigh:

I am wise to him. Thank god he is our President. ;)

If you say so. I don't watch TV News.

If you watched TV News, you would have heard Fox anchor, Shep Smith, say that republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

Buggyone, If 51% are in favor of Gay marriage why has it been voted down in 31 states?? The only states that have sanctioned Gay marriage were done by judicial fiat. What people tell a pollster and what they do in the privacy of the voting booth are two different things.

Janmcn, Shepard Smith is a liberal. Remember, FOX News allows Democrats on their channel. He has two hours worth of shows. Other then RINO pundints I can't think of any conservative Republican being interviewed, very often, much less having their own show. And no, Joe Scarbourgh is not a conservative.

The Joe Scarborough I watch on MSNBC has a 95% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union. He got 62% of the vote in Florida's first district, one of the most conservative districts in the state, in 1994 and went to Washington and became part of Newt Gingrich's contract with America. While in DC, he was a member of the "New Federalists".

BTW, what does Joe Scarborough have to do with "Obama's story about same sex marriages discussions with his family"?


Joe Scarborough - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SallyJo, I just posted what was on the news crawler at the bottom of the screen during the Hannity show last night. The 51% was not my doing but what was shown on FOX.

I know Buggyone. I saw it, also. I'm just pointing out that people may tell a pollster one thing, because they are automaticly called a bigot if they don't agree with Gay marriage.
Janmcn, It has been a long time since Joe has been in Congress. I'm sure he likes his gig at MSNBC and wants to keep it.

Has any state that has had a referendum ever voted it to be ok ?? I know that in excess of 30 have said no.

Just curious

How many states had Jim Crow laws? How many states had segregated school systems? Thank goodness we have the US Constitution and the Supreme Court...it’s not majority rules ... never has been.

Thanks for the answer Cologal. The answer is; when put to a vote of the people and by the people, the people have consistently overwhelmingly answered that marriage is a covenant between a "man and a woman", and whatever you want to call the legal domestic joining of two people of the same sex, it's not marriage.

Everyone should be treated the same:

You should not be condemned to dark rooms & back allies to worship God.
" " " " " " " " " " " " if you are Gay.
" " " " " " " " " " " " if you are a minority, women, short, fat, autistic, a Yankee etc. etc.

I am amazed at the red neck attitude of so many in this day and age.

I am in the most selfish prejudiced group of all and that is: FINANCIALLY WELL OFF WHITE MALES. I am embarrassed about that so often. Granted I would not trade places with any minority nor the poor, but I understand their pain and frustration.

apparently it is OK to condemn the "redneck" it seems!
Why are they the standard for all describe as wrong or incorrect?
There are some rich white men I know that should aspire to the honest character of those labeled "redneck".

I also did not see where anybody suggested to relegate any of these folks to the deep darkness of the back room.

btk

Good for you for noticing the dishonesty and the stereotyping nonsense that was posted.

Yours is a spot on observation.

I Think The Folks On "Morning Joe" Had It Right
 

Basically they opined that this dustup regarding gay rights won't have any legs. A few more hours or days and you won't hear of the issue again.

The reason, they explained, is that the media almost universally agrees with Obama and those who have stated they are in favor of gay rights, gay marriage, etc.

The Morning Joe panelists, who are pretty smart and experienced observers of the political scene observed, correctly I think, that any candidate who spends time making sure that everyone knows that he differs with the POTUS's position is wasting time that could otherwise be used to address other important campaign issues--like the economy or the wars.

Basically, it's an argument that can't be won, when the people who produce all the print and TV news coverage of the issue all disagree with you.

Are you suggesting because the major news media is overwhelming comprised of people with a liberal orthodoxy that Americans who differ with the news slant should be silent about their views?

One point. Gay rights has nothing to do with marriage. It's the false concept that is impelling this story. (I know that's radical thinking for knee jerk leftists, but just give the thought a try, and a light might shine)

You are not taking this into account:

Whenever states have voted on gay marriage, a significantly smaller than majority percentage of the electorate actually votes. In the North Carolina vote only 34% of eligible voters showed up.

Over about 50 years polls have shown a steady climb of those approving of legalizing same sex marriage. The age breakdowns tell the story. Retirees are the last holdouts, clinging to what we always thought. Only 26% of us currently approve of same sex marriage. Therefore, the percentages of young people approving are very high, showing there truly is a strong shift in society on this issue.

Not surprisingly, this is the same pattern which historically developed regarding attitudes toward slavery, women's rights and racial equality.

Old thinking, tradition and attitudes toward others die very, very slowly.

lol

Marriage is to spend your life with someone you love. That should have nothing to do with your race, religion nor your gender. God will punish the prejudice among us. I think maybe one must be a minority like Black, Gay, or even a women to understand what it is like to be treated like a second class citizen by so many simple minded red necks. When I used the term red neck, I mean no offense, just trying to indicate those that do not use an open mind when it comes to equal rights of others.

It's only the people who care enough to vote that matter in any discussion of any referendum. Pretty simple when you think about it.

lol

The original post addressed the fact that Obama is without shame and would use his young children as a prop and a cover from opponents concerning a controversial issue that like abortion divides the nation..... Gosh if his own young children see same sex as an embracing and fairness issue who is he or anyone to oppose it.

It was predictable that the thread would soon turn to the issue itself because it is such a highly personal issue that leads many people to an emotional state. Some will be making specious civil rights claims while others will portray loving couples who should be allowed to love and live as they choose. Those opposed focus first on the act, an act that has been found throughout the ages to be unnatural. To redefine and legitimize marriage as being between two people vis a vis a man and woman is to legitimize the act. The act is against nature, its unfortunate and my heart honestly goes out to these folks as it does to others who suffer life's unfairness. But to redefine marriage is to leave wide open further intrepetations of what some would define as loving realtionships. Just how far some would go is left to one's imagination

I am not sure nor do I know how to digest whatever your definition of "Old thinking, tradition and attitudes" is......

I believe that in this country everyone should have all the rights given to them by the constitution no matter their color, religion, ethnicity or sexual persuasion (since it applies in this discussion).

We have many laws on the books to protect those rights and I support total enforcement of such.

To force me to condone homosexuality and most important a definition of marriage that is not between a man and woman would be asking me to be a total moral hypocrite.

Sometimes in life, we must accept what it is, instead of finding a way to change it so we can be comfortable. That does not condemn those who practice homosexuality as that is none of my business and my life contains folks who do that, not that I ever asked...they told me. That does not make me treat a homosexual any differently in any way, nor would it nor has it ever made me feel differently about those people.

I am not a a hypocrite nor will I be swayed to say things because of political pressure, or any other kind of pressure.

If your implication is that I am old fashioned, I suppose I am and frankly to me that is not a bad thing. I would never support or not support a person on one issue and that includes this one. I believe, and don't know if right or not, that my feelings are oft times reflected in those ballot boxes on this issue.

If you folks feel you are advanced ahead of me, so be it. Perhaps you are more advanced, smarter, more sophisticated but that is how it is for me.

No one is asking you to compromise your morals.

But don't deny others civil rights on the premise that you are the keeper of absolute truth.

If you actually read my post, I thought I made that very clear. I am just tired of implications that anyone who believes as I do believes in some kind of civil rights violations. I am probably the most pro civil rights person you could meet.

The issue is MARRIAGE......it is not about anything but that in my mind...MARRIAGE. This issue always strays to other things...it is about MARRIAGE.

Folks always say we should in this country stay out of their bedrooms...I agree. This is a case where the bedroom is being taken to the public.

Exactly right Bucco; equating marriage with civil rights is bogus and convoluted thinking. It's done to shut up the opposition.

If a state wants to enact legislation that give the same legal allowances and rights to same sex partners as they do married couples, that's what they should do and stop the political nonsense.

Calling anything something it's not for political purposes is ludicrous.

Obama is avoiding the gay "marriage" issue today and with good reason. The issue has cost him support among independents. Imagine that??

Twice as many independent voters say it will make them "less likely" to vote for Obama as "more likely". Obama is going to need those independents if he has any chance of repeating.

If this trend continues, I envision him reiterating to America that even though he has an opinion, it's up to the states to decide, and he has nothing to do with the issue.

As it is, all he ever did was say that same sex couples should be able to marry. He pointedly never said they had the right.

Six in 10 Say Obama Same-Sex Marriage View Won't Sway Vote

Poll: Obama’s gay marriage push hurts him with independents | The Daily Caller

Yes, MARRIAGE. The word which carries with it certain rights granted to some because of their sex and denied others for the same reason. Who cares what name you give a relationship. It's about rights granted or denied. And, as you have so repeatedly insisted, it has nothing to do with peoples' bedrooms.