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Villages PL 05-24-2012 10:04 AM

Do you have a plan to "defeat" or slow down aging?
 
Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

Barefoot 05-24-2012 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496628)
Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

My plan is to lie about my age which automatically makes me ten years younger. Doesn't it? :throwtomatoes:

LABSX2 05-24-2012 10:39 AM

No Brainer
 
I'm moving to TV!!!! :MOJE_whot:

pooh 05-24-2012 11:00 AM

In all honesty, I'm not sure if this is actually possible for some. Of course, taking care to eat right, take safety precautions in living and taking and doing things in moderation is a good way to live, but there are those little genes that might just prevent long life. My Dad lived to 98 years of age....he smoked, drank, had lots of stress in his life, and didn' eat well by today's definition of what's healthy, but his mother as well as his grandmother lived into their very late 90's. My father-in-law exercised, ate well, regularly visited his health care providers, yet he died at 72 from cancer, a disease that plagued his family, and took the lives of his parents as well as many of his siblings.

I'm not advocating throwing all caution to the wind and doing whatever the heck we want....but it must also be recognized that we are the results of DNA soup and sometimes, no matter what....we either live longer or shorter lives. Sometimes our efforts to eat well, drink in moderation, and all the other things we do to stall the Grim Reaper, may keep some of around longer, sometimes, not.

I'll get off my soapbox now and get busy....the more you move, the less likely you will rust..... ;)

rjm1cc 05-24-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496628)
Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

Exercise.
Keeping active.

jimbo2012 05-24-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 496669)
Exercise.
Keeping active.

Yep!

Also changing to a vegan plant based diet about a year+ ago made a BIG difference.

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zcaveman 05-24-2012 12:29 PM

You will never "defeat" aging. That is a part of life - think death and taxes.

You can attempt to turn around the life you have been living for the past 55 or so years and hope that the benefits will regress the affects of your past life or you can continue to enjoy life and hope that the additional exercise that you get in TV will give you a few additional years.

That is my plan and I am sticking to it.

wesmin 05-24-2012 01:58 PM

old age
 
Move It Or Lose It

mac9 05-24-2012 02:32 PM

Live each day to the fullest. I have no bucket list. When I want to do something, I do it.

Villages PL 05-24-2012 02:46 PM

The only thing I know of that has been proved to work to slow down the aging process is to eat a low calorie diet while getting as much nutrition as possible. That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

Why low calorie diets work: Calories have to be burned by the body. It's the burning of calories that takes a toll on the body. I would compare it to a gasoline engine. The more gas you burn in your car, the more you shorten the life of the engine. Rev up the engine, pop the clutch, and go speeding down the highway. It's a lot of fun but shortens the life of the car. We are much the same.

I've been on a low calorie vegan diet since the spring of 2006 and I'm very satisfied with the results so far. My diet before that was good but I just decided to add the veganism so as to maximize the nutrition from a plant based diet.

Of course there are no guarantees; it's all about reducing risk and wear. I suppose if we did all the right things from an early age we'd have a shot at being healthy up to 110 and beyond.

I started thinking about this subject because I'm reading a book: "Long For This World: The Strange Science of Immortality" by Jonathan Weiner. The author is a Pulitzer prize-winning science writer. I'm only up to chapter 4 but find it interesting so far.

George Bieniaszek 05-24-2012 03:06 PM

My plan for not growing older is telling people, if they ask, that I am still 29 years old.

At the end of this month, I will be celebrating my 30th anniversary of my 29th birthday!!

:MOJE_whot:

jimbo2012 05-24-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496730)
That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

You should if you care to take the time, it has a greater effect on those of us 55+ than anything else we can do.

Bill Clinton and many others have come realize the benefits.

The only folks that are against it are companies that make processed foods, butchers and your local drug store ( most people eliminate their need for drugs or greatly reduce them).

Type II diabetes is eliminated, high cholesterol and a host of other aliments.

Your entire circulatory system changes......or said another way Vegan is the new Viagra.

This was a Peta TV ad that ran recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=m0vQOnHW0Kc

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https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...E%3C/iframe%3E

Villages PL 05-24-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 496744)
You should if you care to take the time, it has a greater effect on those of us 55+ than anything else we can do.

Okay, I'll try to provide more information about what I do.

Breakfast: I first put together a small bowl of chopped (fresh) fruit. I add to it a sprinkling of chopped walnuts. At the same time, I'll have one serving of steel-cut oats cooking on the stove. The cooking takes about 20 minutes after which I'll let it sit in the pan for about 40 minutes. In the mean time, I go through my exercise routine.

Lunch: I'll make a big salad in a salad bowl. This could include just about any vegetables you like. I typically use Romaine lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, raw (baby) carots chopped into small pieces, celery and cauliflower or broccoli. With the salad I''l have one slice of Ezekiel bread. Then I'll eat a side dish of beans for protein. The bread contains 4 grams as protein as well. I use fresh lemon juice and extra virgin olive oil for dressing. (I limit the olive oil to one teaspoon.)

Dinner: I'll usually make a vegetable soup with beans and a little whole grain rice or barley. I use a variety of vegetables in the soup and a variety of beans. Then I'll put one teaspoon of olive oil in the soup. That comes last because I don't want to cook the olive oil. Again, one slice of Ezekiel bread. That's basically it.

Some people will say it's boring but it's not boring to me. I really like beans, whole grains and vegetables a lot. I never get tired of them. And I enjoy good health!

jimbo2012 05-24-2012 04:26 PM

Yep, sounds good the only thing we differ on is the oil, we don't use any.

We do more pasta either rice or whole wheat and tofu.

We eat the Ezekiel bread I like their bagels alot. where do buy it there?

Are there any vegan groups?

Villages PL 05-24-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 496774)
Yep, sounds good the only thing we differ on is the oil, we don't use any.

We do more pasta either rice or whole wheat and tofu.

We eat the Ezekiel bread. where do buy it there?

Are there any vegan groups?

Ezekiel bread is sold at Publix and I believe Sweetbay has it too.

I think there are a couple of vegan groups but I have never joined them. The reason? Well, one group asks members to bring a covered dish to share with others. I believe the members are mostly women and they, like most women, are into recipies. I've never been attracted to following recipies, nor am I interested in talking about recipies. And I'm afraid they might be into eating a lot of starches like potato salad and macaroni salad etc.. And how about processed desserts containing sugar? I'm not interested in that either. But I should go at least once to see what it's like.

pooh 05-24-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496730)
The only thing I know of that has been proved to work to slow down the aging process is to eat a low calorie diet while getting as much nutrition as possible. That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

Why low calorie diets work: Calories have to be burned by the body. It's the burning of calories that takes a toll on the body. I would compare it to a gasoline engine. The more gas you burn in your car, the more you shorten the life of the engine. Rev up the engine, pop the clutch, and go speeding down the highway. It's a lot of fun but shortens the life of the car. We are much the same.

I've been on a low calorie vegan diet since the spring of 2006 and I'm very satisfied with the results so far. My diet before that was good but I just decided to add the veganism so as to maximize the nutrition from a plant based diet.

Of course there are no guarantees; it's all about reducing risk and wear. I suppose if we did all the right things from an early age we'd have a shot at being healthy up to 110 and beyond.

I started thinking about this subject because I'm reading a book: "Long For This World: The Strange Science of Immortality" by Jonathan Weiner. The author is a Pulitzer prize-winning science writer. I'm only up to chapter 4 but find it interesting so far.

Not to pick a nit, BUT, I do think your analogy of a car burning fuel and a body burning calories isn't the best. We need calories to live, to help our bodies keep us in a state of homeostasis. I'm sure you know what that is. We need fuel to allow our heart to work, our kidneys to eliminate waste. Not enough fuel, we can die.
You've listed your daily food choices, they seem to work for you. Some might not be able to ingest as many fruits and veggies, beans and nuts as you can.
It isn't my intention to get into a pi**ing contest with you on this VP, you are doing what you must do for your own health, I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.

jimbo2012 05-24-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 496854)
I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.

I respectfully disagree, there is just toooooo much scientific proof that is NOT the case.

The real issue is not all can live and thrive on a animal based diet with processed food.

We don't do it because we need to for our health we do it because we choose to.

Ask a cardiologist or vascular surgeon for example what they see every day.

There are body builders, iron man competitors, marathoners and fighters on plant based diets.

It has also completely reversed heart disease in many patients with documented proof.

I can recommend a very good documentary is you care to get it on Amazon "Forks Over Knives" aka diet over surgery.

It was done by doctors not Hollywood.

swimdawg 05-24-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496628)
Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

Ummm....swim 1/2 mile every day....seems to be doing the trick.....oh yes!

pooh 05-24-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 496862)
I respectfully disagree, there is just toooooo much scientific proof that is NOT the case.

The real issue is not all can live and thrive on a animal based diet with processed food.

We don't do it because we need to for our health we do it because we choose to.

Ask a cardiologist or vascular surgeon for example what they see every day.

There are body builders, iron man competitors, marathoners and fighters on plant based diets.

It has also completely reversed heart disease in many patients with documented proof.

I can recommend a very good documentary is you care to get it on Amazon "Forks Over Knives" aka diet over surgery.

It was done by doctors not Hollywood.

I can agree with you about processed foods not offering the best nutrition for our bodies and I do recognize that some do thrive on plant based diets, BUT again I will state that not all can. Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.
We all must do what we feel is best for our well being. For some it is exercise, lots of exercise, for some it is managing their diet and for others, it might be vitamins and supplements. My plan includes little alcohol, adequate protein from non-plant sources, fresh fruit and veggies, non and low fat dairy, a fish oil pill, a daily multi-vitamin, and that's only every once in a while, olive oil in moderation and laughter.....as well as a sweet treat and a pizza every once in a while. The Mediterranean diet works well, too.

asianthree 05-24-2012 07:36 PM

I go to the gym at 7am leave at 1030 work 8 hours and three nights a week i return to the gym for a 1.5 hour yoga glass. So when I retire i plan on cutting out the 8 work hours :MOJE_whot:

pooh 05-24-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 496887)
I go to the gym at 7am leave at 1030 work 8 hours and three nights a week i return to the gym for a 1.5 hour yoga glass. So when I retire i plan on cutting out the 8 work hours :MOJE_whot:

:clap2::clap2: I hope you get to cut out those work hours soon.... ;)

skip0358 05-24-2012 09:24 PM

Slow down
 
I drive a legal golf cart,only use the car when needed, do what I want when I want. Don't give a crap what anybody thinks. I'm happy and don't have 2 many cares in the world. !!

Barefoot 05-24-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 496879)
I can agree with you about processed foods not offering the best nutrition for our bodies and I do recognize that some do thrive on plant based diets, BUT again I will state that not all can. Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.
We all must do what we feel is best for our well being. For some it is exercise, lots of exercise, for some it is managing their diet and for others, it might be vitamins and supplements. My plan includes little alcohol, adequate protein from non-plant sources, fresh fruit and veggies, non and low fat dairy, a fish oil pill, a daily multi-vitamin, and that's only every once in a while, olive oil in moderation and laughter.....as well as a sweet treat and a pizza every once in a while. The Mediterranean diet works well, too.

Pooh, your comments make sense to me. I also think that laughter, loving life, and having a positive attitude have a lot to do with good health.

manaboutown 05-24-2012 09:51 PM

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Villages PL 05-26-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 496854)
Not to pick a nit, BUT, I do think your analogy of a car burning fuel and a body burning calories isn't the best.

I won't make any claim that it's the best analogy. It just popped into mind and I used it because I like it. Lighting a candle is another. The point is that burning is burning and it has a similarity to what happens in the body. Oxygen is required/consumed and byproducts/waste are given off. Engines age and eventually die and so do we.

Of course we are not exactly the same but the result is the same. What makes us different is the fact that free radicals (created from the burning process) go zipping around damaging our DNA. The damage can be repaired but we become less and less capable of keeping up with repairs as we get older.

To be continued:

Villages PL 05-26-2012 10:01 AM

To continue previous post to pooh:
 
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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 496854)
We need calories to live, to help our bodies keep us in a state of homeostasis. I'm sure you know what that is. We need fuel to allow our heart to work, our kidneys to eliminate waste. Not enough fuel, we can die.

Yes, of course. I assumed it would be understood that you have to have enough calories to maintain vital body functions and to keep your BMI from going below 18.5 or 19.


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You've listed your daily food choices, they seem to work for you. Some might not be able to ingest as many fruits and veggies, beans and nuts as you can.
That's true. It was not my intention to suggest that everyone must do exactly the same. Relatively few people can do what jimbo and I do. I just posted it as my conception of an ideal diet: Low calorie/ high nutrition. This health and longevity concept is not new. The first experiment to prove the effectiveness of a low calorie diet was done in the early 1930s.

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I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.
When it comes to the science of health, nothing is ever 100% so I wouldn't think of asking for 100% compliance. Everyone needs to take personal responsibility to be informed and do their best.

jimbo2012 05-26-2012 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooh (Post 496879)
Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.

Not sure I follow that, unless you are referring to a GI tract disorder.

What I mean by that is if you can assimilate nutrients from a meat based diet (a Big Mac etc.) why not plant based, meaning vegies etc?

Your body needs about 8% protein, vegies have about 10%, animal based food about 20% which is not needed.

graciegirl 05-26-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 496759)
Okay, I'll try to provide more information about what I do.

Breakfast: I first put together a small bowl of chopped (fresh) fruit. I add to it a sprinkling of chopped walnuts. At the same time, I'll have one serving of steel-cut oats cooking on the stove. The cooking takes about 20 minutes after which I'll let it sit in the pan for about 40 minutes. In the mean time, I go through my exercise routine.

Lunch: I'll make a big salad in a salad bowl. This could include just about any vegetables you like. I typically use Romaine lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, raw (baby) carots chopped into small pieces, celery and cauliflower or broccoli. With the salad I''l have one slice of Ezekiel bread. Then I'll eat a side dish of beans for protein. The bread contains 4 grams as protein as well. I use fresh lemon juice and extra virgin olive oil for dressing. (I limit the olive oil to one teaspoon.)

Dinner: I'll usually make a vegetable soup with beans and a little whole grain rice or barley. I use a variety of vegetables in the soup and a variety of beans. Then I'll put one teaspoon of olive oil in the soup. That comes last because I don't want to cook the olive oil. Again, one slice of Ezekiel bread. That's basically it.

Some people will say it's boring but it's not boring to me. I really like beans, whole grains and vegetables a lot. I never get tired of them. And I enjoy good health!


Do you fart a lot?

Down Sized 05-26-2012 10:38 AM

Eat better and walk faster:icon_hungry:

Villages PL 05-26-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 496940)

Thanks for the link, it was very good. It's amazing how restaurant portions have grown over the years. I would just add that the problem is not just the portions. It's the quality of food that's all wrong too. Sweet soda? Salty fries? Salty hamburger on a bun made with white flour? And where are the vegetables? Lettuce and tomato on the hamburger doesn't cut it.

One thing that's never mentioned: If the population gets fatter and fatter, it's an advantage for the fast food industry. And I'd be surprised if they (those in the corporate offices) don't know it. Here's why it's an advantage: The more fat cells that exist, the more food that's needed. Fat cells require/demand high calorie processed foods. Most diets eventually fail because fat cells comunicate with the brain (demanding food) by way of hormones. Fat cells strive for survival as much as any other part of the body. That's what makes it an addiction. More and more fat people means more and more addicts, and that's what the fast food industry likes.

Villages PL 05-26-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchgirl (Post 497443)

Do you fart a lot?

It all depends on what you consider to be "a lot". Maybe we could get together sometime and have a contest. We could assemble a panel of judges and they would grade us on frequency, volume, tone, loudness etc..

jimbo2012 05-26-2012 11:03 AM

Slowing down aging also has to do with your energy levels, aka enjoying your retirement.

How often do you take naps after eating or exercise, or regular afternoon naps. Can you play 18 holes and still go dancing that evening.

I don't want to write a book here and bore you, the info is out there the food is not bland or uninteresting my wife has made dinner for friends and they all like the food.

Our diet is different from 'Villages PL', but along those lines.

I'll leave you with these major benefits, if you want more info or where to go for it please PM me.

Plant-based diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
Vegetarians/vegans also have lower rates of the following health problems:

Death from heart disease - Animal protein clogs arteries; a plant-based diet can stop and even, in most cases, reverse heart disease.

Blood cholesterol levels, without any meds will average 125-150

Blood pressure/hypertension normal or lower - due to the soft plaque being eliminated from the walls of blood vessels and elastic again eliminating or greatly reducing all meds.

Type 2 (adult-onset) diabetes, no longer an issue.

cancer long story

Cancer- Animal protein, especially casein found in milk, causes cancer cells to grow; plant protein discourages cancer growth.

Obesity- The standard American diet (SAD) causes obesity; a low-fat, plant-based diet combined with moderate exercise enables permanent weight loss.
The weight loss is automatic, without thinking about.

High animal protein intake increases metabolic acid, causing the body to draw calcium from the bones, weakening them and leading to osteoporosis and bone fractures.

Prostate cancer
Colon cancer

In 3-4 weeks you will absolutely feel the difference, I guarantee it.


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OscarOlden 05-26-2012 11:14 AM

I love to jog. I will be in a marathon tomorrow.

Villages PL 05-26-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LABSX2 (Post 496648)
I'm moving to TV!!!! :MOJE_whot:

All you have to do is move here and you will get healthy by osmosis!!!!

Villages PL 05-26-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OscarOlden (Post 497461)
I love to jog. I will be in a marathon tomorrow.

You must be healthy to be in a marathon. But how are your knees holding up? Do you ever worry about wearing them out?

pooh 05-26-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 497440)
Not sure I follow that, unless you are referring to a GI tract disorder.

What I mean by that is if you can assimilate nutrients from a meat based diet (a Big Mac etc.) why not plant based, meaning vegies etc?

Your body needs about 8% protein, vegies have about 10%, animal based food about 20% which is not needed.

Food needs to stay in your GI tract for a bit for breakdown and assimilation. If one cannot properly digest certain plant foods, well, they aren't going to nourish a body. Some have allergic responses to certain foods, berries, eggs, milk, gluten....and these foods just aren't going to work for some.

We all need protein to live, granted not as much as most of us eat, but we do need it. Protein helps maintain muscle mass, the immune system and heart and respiratory functions.

I'm sure you know about complete and incomplete proteins and the need to eat a wide variety of plant foods in order to give your body the amino acids needed to make them complete. I'm sure you make sure to get adequate vitamin B12. You are doing what you feel is best for your body and no one can or should make you do something other than that.
You have made a decision to ingest more plant than animal based foods, you are concerned about your health....who the heck really cares what others think....you must do what you feel is best for you and for your family. A longer and more vital you is good for you and for those who love you, too.... ;)

Live long and prosper, Jimbo

pooh 05-26-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 497452)
It all depends on what you consider to be "a lot". Maybe we could get together sometime and have a contest. We could assemble a panel of judges and they would grade us on frequency, volume, tone, loudness etc..

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2:

pooh 05-26-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 497439)
Yes, of course. I assumed it would be understood that you have to have enough calories to maintain vital body functions and to keep your BMI from going below 18.5 or 19.......
When it comes to the science of health, nothing is ever 100% so I wouldn't think of asking for 100% compliance. Everyone needs to take personal responsibility to be informed and do their best.

Correct, but BMI can be even a bit higher and a person can be healthy.

I'm sure you've done your research, VPL....and I'm sure you're eating foods in proper quantities to insure you have adequate and complete proteins over time. You feel well, you have energy and I'll assume your health statistics are reflective of the effort you put into making the food choices you do.

Live long, live well, VPl.....and when you get a chance, could you post a recipe for a particular dish you eat, in the food section, that might make some of us carnivores want to give it a try.... :)

billethkid 05-27-2012 06:50 PM

don't forget the most important and that is attitude....the more positive one is about anything/everything the more relaxed and happy they are and tend to live longer.

Excluding health issues which can get any of us at any time being positive, active, eat sensibly (like we did when we were kids)....treat everybody like a long lost friend.....smile a lot.....

far too many think they have to be a grump, act like a grump, be nasty, not polite and always in a hurry (to go no where)....because they are a certain number on paper and act what they think is accordingly.....remember the saying, I may be getting older (number of birthdays) but I refuse to grow up/old (attitude/active/smile).

btk

hulahips 05-28-2012 08:05 AM

defeat aging
 
yes my plan is to exercise everyday and eat healthy and make sure I get some laughter in everyday, meditation and prayer. Good for body and soul.
And yes friends are important. Keep socializing!! That's why the villages is a great place to live.


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