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Guest 06-11-2012 12:38 PM
Rush Limbaugh thinks high "screwl" football should not be banned
 
So what if someone gets injured or dies once in a while? What's the big deal? Stuff happens! Football is an industry and we need to put industry first above all other considerations. Besides, beer, hotdogs and popcorn :popcorn: go good with football. We need football!!!!

Rush did not say those exact words, that's just my understanding of his thought process. I live in realville too. :)

Guest 06-11-2012 01:04 PM
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Rush did not say those exact words, that's just my understanding of his thought process. I live in realville too.
Just would like to know, Did he say ANY of those words?

Guest 06-11-2012 01:26 PM
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Just would like to know, Did he say ANY of those words?
Here's the words he actually DID say.

See, I Told You So: School Board Member Calls for Ban on High School Football - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Guest 06-11-2012 02:10 PM
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So what if someone gets injured or dies once in a while? What's the big deal? Stuff happens! Football is an industry and we need to put industry first above all other considerations. Besides, beer, hotdogs and popcorn :popcorn: go good with football. We need football!!!!

Rush did not say those exact words, that's just my understanding of his thought process. I live in realville too. :)
Well, with the cutting of teaching positions--including probably school nurses-- high school football could become more dangeorous than it already is. The Risk of High School Football Tackles - NYTimes.com

Guest 06-11-2012 03:26 PM
Wow! He did not say any of those words. Now I know why we can't communicate! You can say one thing and someone hears something TOTALLY different. Or atleast makes it into what they want to hear.

Thought so.

Guest 06-11-2012 03:52 PM
No one, including me, would ever think I would utter the words, "Well, Rush isn't out in left field on this one."

Very possible someday not too far off in the future that school districts will decide high school football is too dangerous.

Do they still play "dodgeball" in Jr. High with those grapefruit sized red rubber balls? How many guys remember getting hit in the 'nads with one of those?

Can't insulate kids from games. However, the WWE style of "wrestling" with being body-slammed onto tables and having a folding chair smashed on the head are not what kids should be watching on television. Many kids have tried those moves and gotten paralyzed for life. Or is that the Darwin gene kicking in?

Guest 06-11-2012 04:01 PM
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No one, including me, would ever think I would utter the words, "Well, Rush isn't out in left field on this one."

Very possible someday not too far off in the future that school districts will decide high school football is too dangerous.

Do they still play "dodgeball" in Jr. High with those grapefruit sized red rubber balls? How many guys remember getting hit in the 'nads with one of those?

Can't insulate kids from games. However, the WWE style of "wrestling" with being body-slammed onto tables and having a folding chair smashed on the head are not what kids should be watching on television. Many kids have tried those moves and gotten paralyzed for life. Or is that the Darwin gene kicking in?
Looks like dodgeball is alive and well.
Dodgeball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheerleading is supposedly the cause of many concussions too. CDC - Sports - Concussion - Traumatic Brain Injury - Injury Center
Cheerleader

Guest 06-11-2012 07:03 PM
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He's got this one right.

Guest 06-11-2012 07:14 PM
Lush gets everything right.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to the right.

Guest 06-12-2012 12:02 PM
I would imagine this is a bigger issue in some places versus others. Locally, I voted against having the local high school start up a football program specifically because of the cost per student. It was FAR more expensive to outfit a football team compared to our other existing sports (soccer, baseball, basketball, etc). The election ended up passing the resolution and the local high school got varsity football. Checking the net, I see we've had 6 losing seasons, one .500 season and two of those losing seasons were 0-11.

Now why aren't the Republicans complaining about this waste of taxpayer money?

Guest 06-12-2012 02:34 PM
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So what if someone gets injured or dies once in a while? What's the big deal? Stuff happens! Football is an industry and we need to put industry first above all other considerations. Besides, beer, hotdogs and popcorn :popcorn: go good with football. We need football!!!!

Rush did not say those exact words, that's just my understanding of his thought process. I live in realville too. :)
Clearly an interpretation of his comments that is way off the mark. But does anyone really care what comes out of a mouth that has a pea sized brain behind it?

Guest 06-12-2012 02:35 PM
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I would imagine this is a bigger issue in some places versus others. Locally, I voted against having the local high school start up a football program specifically because of the cost per student. It was FAR more expensive to outfit a football team compared to our other existing sports (soccer, baseball, basketball, etc). The election ended up passing the resolution and the local high school got varsity football. Checking the net, I see we've had 6 losing seasons, one .500 season and two of those losing seasons were 0-11.

Now why aren't the Republicans complaining about this waste of taxpayer money?
DJP, I do know about how it goes in the Northeast, but in most of the South, Southwest and central US football is the cash cow. It funds the other programs.

Guest 06-12-2012 03:29 PM
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DJP, I do know about how it goes in the Northeast, but in most of the South, Southwest and central US football is the cash cow. It funds the other programs.
You have that right. Would you even consider sitting through a high school soccer game? Don't think I would.

Guest 06-12-2012 04:32 PM
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Wow! He did not say any of those words. Now I know why we can't communicate! You can say one thing and someone hears something TOTALLY different. Or atleast makes it into what they want to hear.

Thought so.
Not for one minute did he ever give ANY consideration to the complaint about injuries. He didn't say, "yes, I'm sorry to say it is dangerous." And he didn't say, "no, it's not at all dangerous." So, he might as well have said the words I wrote for him.

The words he didn't say show exactly how much he doesn't care about injuries and deaths. If he cared about it, he would have said something to that effect.

Guest 06-12-2012 04:45 PM
life is dangerous!
 
life is very dangerous...illness, accident, terrorism, murder....should we just blow up the earth and forget all about it???

Guest 06-12-2012 04:49 PM
He mentioned trans far being banned in New York city
 
He mentioned trans fat being banned in New York City.

What did he say back then? I'm pretty sure he said the same things all the other talk show hosts said. "The next thing you know they will want to ban hamburgers." I heard that a lot back then. But they have never banned any food to this date. Trans fat is not a food; it's a process of hydrogenation.

Guest 06-12-2012 05:01 PM
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DJP, I do know about how it goes in the Northeast, but in most of the South, Southwest and central US football is the cash cow. It funds the other programs.
Exactly! Do away with football and watch every other sports program except possibly basketball lose its funding. This is doubly true at the college level.

Guest 06-12-2012 05:49 PM
People could just mind their own business. How would that be? You are free to keep your children on a leash and allow them no activity that comes with risk. I think you have to consider banning them from running, ice skating, roller blading, skateboarding, bicycling, swimming, climbing, baseball, basketball, soccer, gymnastics, tennis, etc. etc.

All come with risk of injury. Take your eyes off them for one minute, and BAM!!; you just never know.

I'll end with......eating.............I would suggest only known healthy foods that carry no risk of a child choking on it.

You gotta watch them all the time.

Guest 06-12-2012 07:11 PM
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People could just mind their own business. How would that be? You are free to keep your children on a leash and allow them no activity that comes with risk. I think you have to consider banning them from running, ice skating, roller blading, skateboarding, bicycling, swimming, climbing, baseball, basketball, soccer, gymnastics, tennis, etc. etc.
Well said.

I am tired of people trying to make the world with round smooth edges and safety bumpers everywhere!
Our children have learned that if they get hurt that someone should pay for this and pay BIG. What they should learn is, if you fall off of something or run into something, DON"T DO THAT AGAIN! Instead they sue and point fingers at all the people who made this bad thing happen.

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ife is very dangerous...illness, accident, terrorism, murder....should we just blow up the earth and forget all about it???
I would add to this and say, Life is dangerous, deal with it and move on!

No I don't think we should ban football, that is stupid. It can be made safer but ban it, no.
Do we ban driving, bathing, flying, swimming, drugs (legal type), walking, you name it, it can kill you.

You are welcome to board yourself up in your house and wrap yourself in bubble wrap and do the same for YOUR family. Mean while I will enjoy life and encourage others to do the same.

Guest 06-13-2012 09:35 AM
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life is very dangerous...illness, accident, terrorism, murder....should we just blow up the earth and forget all about it???
Blowing up the earth? I wouldn't go that far. :oops:

I just had a weird thought last night and I might as well try it out on you. So you have the honor of being the first to consider the following: What is the difference between hazing and football.

I don't mean obvious differences like one is a sport and the other is not. I mean as far as the result when it comes to injury and death.

Thank you.

Guest 06-13-2012 09:51 AM
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Now why aren't the Republicans complaining about this waste of taxpayer money?
That's a good question. The answer is: Follow the money.

Let's use Rush as an example: He doesn't mind higher taxes if it helps the fast food industry. That's because whatever is good for the fast food industry is good for the radio advertising business.

What do people eat and drink when they go to a football game? Fast food. When they watch football at home on TV, what do they eat? Fast food snacks etc.. What do people eat and drink when they go to sports bars?
Fast food. Football and fast food go together. (go together like a horse and carriage, love and marriage).

Having a vested interest, Rush speaks on behalf of the fast food industry. He is an extension of the fast food industry. And the bottom line is: Profits are more important than any other consideration.

I have heard it said that capitalism has a dark side. If it does, this may be it.

Guest 06-13-2012 10:06 AM
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People could just mind their own business. How would that be? You are free to keep your children on a leash and allow them no activity that comes with risk. I think you have to consider banning them from running, ice skating, roller blading, skateboarding, bicycling, swimming, climbing, baseball, basketball, soccer, gymnastics, tennis, etc. etc.

All come with risk of injury. Take your eyes off them for one minute, and BAM!!; you just never know.

I'll end with......eating.............I would suggest only known healthy foods that carry no risk of a child choking on it.

You gotta watch them all the time.
Then what about hazing? Should we allow hazing under the banner of "minding our own business?" Robert Chanpion died as a result of hazing. Should that come under the heading of "stuff happens" or "you just never know"?

Guest 06-13-2012 10:34 AM
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Well said.

I am tired of people trying to make the world with round smooth edges and safety bumpers everywhere!
Our children have learned that if they get hurt that someone should pay for this and pay BIG. What they should learn is, if you fall off of something or run into something, DON"T DO THAT AGAIN! Instead they sue and point fingers at all the people who made this bad thing happen.
As far as I know, that's how the world works. (I live in realville with Rush.)
It seems like you want a "world with round smooth edges" too. You don't want any danger of being sued. However, if we live in the real world, we have to recognize the danger of being sued. Patty Sexton was quoted as saying the following: "I'm extremely scared we will eventually be sued over injuries suffered in sports."

Rush thought so little of what she said he didn't even comment on it. Why? Follow the money: If a school gets sued for several millions of dollars, it's not going to come out of his pocket. He's only worried about his own financial interests. Football is a cash cow for the fast food industry and Rush is an extension of that industry (radio advertising).

Guest 06-13-2012 01:55 PM
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Then what about hazing? Should we allow hazing under the banner of "minding our own business?" Robert Chanpion died as a result of hazing. Should that come under the heading of "stuff happens" or "you just never know"?
Hazing = Football??

Quite a stretch. I don't think hazing is a sport.

Guest 06-13-2012 02:00 PM
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As far as I know, that's how the world works. (I live in realville with Rush.)
It seems like you want a "world with round smooth edges" too. You don't want any danger of being sued. However, if we live in the real world, we have to recognize the danger of being sued. Patty Sexton was quoted as saying the following: "I'm extremely scared we will eventually be sued over injuries suffered in sports."

Rush thought so little of what she said he didn't even comment on it. Why? Follow the money: If a school gets sued for several millions of dollars, it's not going to come out of his pocket. He's only worried about his own financial interests. Football is a cash cow for the fast food industry and Rush is an extension of that industry (radio advertising).
You're reading too much into Rush's comments, in my opinion. Rush is an avid fan of football, and that's all there is to it. He likes the game and it's total Americanism.

All your other speculations about his "motives" are just so much garbage about things that have little connection with Rush, IMHO.

Guest 06-13-2012 02:17 PM
I haven't heard one word as to the benefits of football or for that matter many other sports or undertakings by young people. Many physical activites in general build strong bodies and minds and teach kids the benefits of sacriface, training determination, compeititveness, etc. Risk is a fact of life. Risk is inherit in all facets of living. Risks can be reduced, transferred etc but risk can never be eliminated. People who are obsessed with eliminating risk do not understand the limits of nature. You cannot place children, people or any living thing in a bubble because one way or another risk will visit them.

Don't pay that sport you may get hurt. don't marry that person he/she is not good for you. don't invest in that stock because... don't gamble your life away trying to build that business. don't don't don't

The higher the risk the greater the reward that is what nature demands. For those brave enough to venture out most are greatly rewarded and as nature intended some are not. To discourage children from being adventurers is to damage their very being.

Guest 06-13-2012 04:33 PM
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As far as I know, that's how the world works. (I live in realville with Rush.)
It seems like you want a "world with round smooth edges" too. You don't want any danger of being sued.
This is where you read into my statement just like you have done with Rush. I bet it is a hoot having a conversation with you. I am not sure you hear what people SAY.
I don't live in fear of being sued. I can be sued at any moment but I don't want to make that against the law or ban law suits.
Every time someone does not like something or disagrees with it it seems like the first thing we do is ban it. Like say, 16 oz. soft drinks or a large popcorn!

People need to mind their own d#$m business. If I want a 32 oz big gulp and top it off with a fried pie and a box of gummy bears, it is my business.
And please don't give me the " it is costing us so much in health care. I thought that was all fixed now, and free!

If I want my child (she is all grown now) to play sports it is my business and her choice and having some busy bodies out there saving the world with their " I know better than you" attitude gets old.
Save your family however you want and leave mine alone.

Guest 06-14-2012 06:44 AM
BBQ - Yeah, in the Northeast, football does NOT 'make money' (tickets/concessions come nowhere NEAR the cost of these programs).

I can understand, however, why it would make more sense in Texas as I hear that, even back in the 1970s, they'd fill the Cotton Bowl with high school playoff and championship games.

Guest 06-14-2012 10:08 AM
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Hazing = Football??

Quite a stretch. I don't think hazing is a sport.
Both are engaged in by students and both can cause injury and death.

Guest 06-14-2012 10:40 AM
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Both are engaged in by students and both can cause injury and death.
It might be easier for you to just list the things that ARE SAFE in your mind because from your post you are able to point out that everything can kill you.

I guess we should just ban life because it always ends up in causing a death!

Guest 06-14-2012 10:54 AM
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You're reading too much into Rush's comments, in my opinion. Rush is an avid fan of football, and that's all there is to it. He likes the game and it's total Americanism.
If football is banned in this one school, or school district, he will still be able to watch football. Why is he being so defensive? If he likes Americanism, he should allow for free choice without browbeating individuals who speak up for what they believe in. He may choose to worry about the future of football, while Patty Sexton chooses to worry about the health of her students and school finances.

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All your other speculations about his "motives" are just so much garbage about things that have little connection with Rush, IMHO.
I'm guessing you don't find a problem with his speculations when he says the following: He refers to Patty Sexton as a "busybody woman". He lumps her in with those who raise taxes on cigarettes to pay for children's health care. Even dredges up the old issues of trans fats and SUVs.

He says all of that while there's absolutely is no indication that she is a liberal. But he appears to be trying hard to paint her as one. To the contrairy, she stated that high school football should NOT be funded by taxpayers. Sounds like she could be a conservative!!!! She's worried about the possibility of eventual law suits against the school. Another conservative position, in my opinion: If the school gets sued, it will put the taxpayers at risk.

And how about your speculations about his motives? You speculate that he's going against this one person, because he is, "an avid fan of football". More garbage?

Guest 06-14-2012 11:55 AM
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I haven't heard one word as to the benefits of football or for that matter many other sports or undertakings by young people. Many physical activites in general build strong bodies and minds and teach kids the benefits of sacriface, training determination, compeititveness, etc. Risk is a fact of life. Risk is inherit in all facets of living. Risks can be reduced, transferred etc but risk can never be eliminated. People who are obsessed with eliminating risk do not understand the limits of nature. You cannot place children, people or any living thing in a bubble because one way or another risk will visit them.

Don't pay that sport you may get hurt. don't marry that person he/she is not good for you. don't invest in that stock because... don't gamble your life away trying to build that business. don't don't don't

The higher the risk the greater the reward that is what nature demands. For those brave enough to venture out most are greatly rewarded and as nature intended some are not. To discourage children from being adventurers is to damage their very being.
Very good post, rubicon.

Now I'd like to speak on behalf of Patty Sexton. I think she knows something about risk. Look at the risk she took by speaking about this issue. She will be slammed by every talk show host on radio. She's been called a "busybody woman" by Rush. I would go so far as to call it, "Operation Destroy". Instead of Rush using good points about football, like you did above, he's out to destroy her.

This "busybody woman" doesn't think that football should be funded by taxpayers. Why doesn't Rush tell us what's wrong with that?

This "busybody woman" is worried about the possibility of eventual law suits against the school which would put the taxpayers at risk. Why doesn't Rush tell us what's wrong with worrying about the taxpayers?

This "busybody woman" is worried about the lasting effects form football injuries, especially concussions. Why doesn't Rush address this issue?

Guest 06-14-2012 01:37 PM
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If football is banned in this one school, or school district, he will still be able to watch football. Why is he being so defensive? If he likes Americanism, he should allow for free choice without browbeating individuals who speak up for what they believe in. He may choose to worry about the future of football, while Patty Sexton chooses to worry about the health of her students and school finances.



I'm guessing you don't find a problem with his speculations when he says the following: He refers to Patty Sexton as a "busybody woman". He lumps her in with those who raise taxes on cigarettes to pay for children's health care. Even dredges up the old issues of trans fats and SUVs.

He says all of that while there's absolutely is no indication that she is a liberal. But he appears to be trying hard to paint her as one. To the contrairy, she stated that high school football should NOT be funded by taxpayers. Sounds like she could be a conservative!!!! She's worried about the possibility of eventual law suits against the school. Another conservative position, in my opinion: If the school gets sued, it will put the taxpayers at risk.

And how about your speculations about his motives? You speculate that he's going against this one person, because he is, "an avid fan of football". More garbage?
It's all about football and freedom. All else is garbage thinking.

Guest 06-16-2012 12:20 PM
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It's all about football and freedom. All else is garbage thinking.
Okay, let's say that it's "all about football and freedom". I would think "freedom" also implies the freedom for a high school or school district to NOT have football. And what about Patty Sexton's freedom to express her oppinion without being attacked by Rush? He's behaving like a bully and you support him. Talk about garbage thinking.

Guest 06-16-2012 12:55 PM
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Okay, let's say that it's "all about football and freedom". I would think "freedom" also implies the freedom for a high school or school district to NOT have football. And what about Patty Sexton's freedom to express her oppinion without being attacked by Rush? He's behaving like a bully and you support him. Talk about garbage thinking.
She has her freedom, and Rush has his. It's a wonderful thing.

I think trying to impose your will is akin to bullying and Patty Sexton qualifies in that regard, herself.

I'm only expressing my opinion on the subject matter and so is Rush.

You can be described as a bully here yourself, by your own parameters.

Guest 06-17-2012 11:20 AM
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She has her freedom, and Rush has his. It's a wonderful thing.

I think trying to impose your will is akin to bullying and Patty Sexton qualifies in that regard, herself.
A bully is a person who intimidates, belittles or demeans smaller or weaker people. Rush is bigger and stronger than Patty Sexton in many ways. As a professional broadcaster with a large audience, he's bigger and stronger by virtue of his nation-wide broadcasting power. And he used that power like a sledgehammer on Patty Sexton. If calling her a "busybody woman" was not an effort to belittle or demean, then what was it?

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I'm only expressing my opinion on the subject matter and so is Rush.
As I said above, he's doing more than that. He's a bully and you support him.

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You can be described as a bully here yourself, by your own parameters.
I defined bullying above and I don't fit that description.

Moreover, another reason I think he was on a bullying mission is because he ignored the pertinent issues that she raised. If one doesn't speak to the issues, what's left? The only thing left is "name calling" and lumping her in with those who are against trans fat and SUVs, as if she might be part of a larger conspiracy to take away our freedoms.

Rush would be all for cutting taxes by cutting waste from school budgets, but not football. Oh, noooooooo! We NEEEEEEEEEEEEED football! And to those who will cry that I'm putting words in his mouth, I say this: His silence (on the tax issue) speaks louder than words. Therefore, not only is he a bully but a hypocrite too.

Guest 06-17-2012 12:06 PM
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Very good post, rubicon.

Now I'd like to speak on behalf of Patty Sexton. I think she knows something about risk. Look at the risk she took by speaking about this issue. She will be slammed by every talk show host on radio. She's been called a "busybody woman" by Rush. I would go so far as to call it, "Operation Destroy". Instead of Rush using good points about football, like you did above, he's out to destroy her.

This "busybody woman" doesn't think that football should be funded by taxpayers. Why doesn't Rush tell us what's wrong with that?

This "busybody woman" is worried about the possibility of eventual law suits against the school which would put the taxpayers at risk. Why doesn't Rush tell us what's wrong with worrying about the taxpayers?

This "busybody woman" is worried about the lasting effects form football injuries, especially concussions. Why doesn't Rush address this issue?
Villages Pl:

I agree that Patty Sexton ought to have the opportunity to express her belief/opinions withoutfeeling the heavy handedness of talk show host.

I also agree that taxpayers should not fund football (stadiums, etc) These owners are billionaires and make enormous profits and yet the taxpayers foot the bill. The only funding a taxpayer should do is buy a ticket.

Ms. Sexton's concerns about lawsuits has long been a reality. I know because the insurance carrier I worked for insured hundred up hundreds of schools. I had been involved in more than one lawsuit because of a football injury..but that is a whole other topic..

And Ms. Sexton is also correct to worry about concussion.

Again I reiterate that risk is a part of life and while the prudent individual does not invite risk, risk can never be eliminated from our lives. and again I reiterate that football and sports in general benefits far exceed potential risks.

Guest 06-17-2012 01:31 PM
There's nothing special about Patty Sexton that she should be immune from criticism.

It's misogynist to think she should be treated daintily.

It's totally fine to disagree with her, especially since she's a busybody.

As the wonderful Billy Joel says:

"I don't care what you say anymore, this is my life
Go ahead with your own life, and leave me alone"

Guest 06-17-2012 03:14 PM
Rush is simply a pig who uses inflammatory language roil the far right-wingers to a frenzy while he counts his money. :doh:

Guest 06-17-2012 07:57 PM
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There's nothing special about Patty Sexton that she should be immune from criticism.
I didn't say she should be immune from criticism. I just thought he was way too heavy handed. and ignored the issues, as you do.

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It's misogynist to think she should be treated daintily.
Daintily? That's your word not mine. Speaking of "misogynist", Rush used the word "busybody" which I doubt he would have used if it had been a man.

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It's totally fine to disagree with her, especially since she's a busybody.
And it's fine for me to disagree with such childish statements.



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As the wonderful Billy Joel says:
Who cares?


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