A question for the Liberals
 

I have a question for the liberals in regards to this "new policy for young immigrants the the president has just unveiled".

Please explain to me how and why this new "policy" benefits the citizens of the United States of America.

You all seem to be really happy and excited about it, but I, for one, do not understand your glee....I am truly stumped.

Please...enlighten me.

I have asked similar questions in related threads only to be over whelmed by the silence. Should not be too hard to answer....... if they are so happy about it they should understand the benefits.

btk

Obama's immigration move good policy -- and good politics - CNN.com

With all the qualifications in the Executive Order Obama put out, it does sound like a good move politically. It does kind of smell though as far as constitutionality is concerned. Krauthammer: Obama's Immigration Policy Is "Out-And-Out Lawlessness" | RealClearPolitics

I know you have, BTK...I asked the same question in another thread and they just skipped right over it.

I really wish they would respond...I truly am curious as to why they seem so elated about it!

It is a very neat political move. Still looks unconstitutional to me but it does put Obama's support clearly behind the Dream Act. Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of a Mark Rubio VP pick by Mitt Romney. Florida Republican Sen. Marc Rubio proposes alternative to Democrat's Dream Act

According to today's Huffington Post, Senator Marco Rubio's office announced yesterday (Friday) that the senator is reconsidering a Dream Act-Style Bill. "He believes the politics are now more difficult".

The president said yesterday "both parties wrote this legislation".

Marco Rubio Reconsidering Dream Act-Style Bill

Ummm...ok...but he hasn't been "officially" picked yet.

So...so far, to date, the only "citizen" benefitting from this unconstitutional policy is Mr. Obama...what about the rest of us?

How will we benefit from this "unconstitutional policy"?

Ok...so let me ask you, Janmcn...why is this "policy" so important to you?

I get that you're happy about having knocked the "wind out of Rubio's and Romney's sails"...however...what makes YOU, personally, ecstatically happy about this new policy?

I just don't understand...I just want to know how and why this policy benefits we the people of the United States....

It does not benefit We The People of the United States, it benefits illegal aliens and large corporations who benefit from cheap labor who legally be allowed to work and play; then draw benefits from the Federal Government, in way more than they will ever put in. We are NO longer a nation of laws. Kiss that old piece of paper good bye, you know the one called the Constitution. It is going to come down to who has the bullets will be making the law. We had better hope that the military are on our side when that happens.

There are about a million young immigrants unknowingly brought here illegally by parents, who qualify under the rigorous standards in the Executive Order. So, by definition they tend to be productive, responsible contributors with good potential to contribute more in the future. The President has challenged them to do just that, with the possibility remaining here on two year renewals, but with no promise of eventual citizenship, Most congressmen understand the wisdom of suspending the priority of deporting them, while concentrating more on finding and deporting those who have willfully broken our laws. Of course Congress cannot agree on anything, so even Republicans, including Romney, cannot find substantial fault with the President's 'pre-emptive' action. What many people do not know is that more illegal immigrants have already been deported during the incomplete Obama administration than during any previous Presidency.

To me, this is just the sensible, 'right' thing to do. And it's the kind of thing this President is repeatedly doing, despite endless criticism from vocal minorities.

How does this policy help me personally? It probably doesn't, but it makes me feel good that these young people, who through no fault of their own do not have to live in constant fear of being deported to a country they have no connection to and may not even speak the language.



If I were Gary Morse, it would help me a great deal. I wouldn't have to worry about losing my entire concrete pouring crew on any given day. If I were Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have to worry about losing my lawn crew. Read this letter Romney wrote to his lawn crew as soon as he got the good news.
http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/0...rmer-gardener/


Watch the president's speech again. He lays out the benefits much more eloquently than I can.

Sick!
 

I'm a lot less exorcised by Obama's executive order than I am the absolute ineptitude of both the White House and the Congress to negotiate and pass some comprehensive immigration legislation. As I understand it, the provisions of the executive order will go away in two years, but "we the people" will still be left with a rudderless immigration policy because of the political bickering and stalemating of our political parties in Congress.

I happened to hear Canada's Prime Minister interviewed and a part of what he discussed was their immigration policy, particularly as regards trying to attract the kinds of people who are properly educated and have the skills to contribute and grow the Canadian economy. The interview was a part of Fareed Zakaria's GPS program entitled "Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" and how immigration laws affect the economies of various countries. If the program is ever re-run, I'd recommend it highly.

Canada was held out as having the best immigration laws in the world, having a very positive effect on their economy and their ability to attract investment and create new jobs. Canada apparently reviews their needs for workers quite frequently, yearly I believe, and adjusts their immigration policy to specifically target immigrants who have the skills and education needed by Canadian employers. The program used as examples how effective loosened immigration policies have been in attracting doctors and medical personnel to serve both their people as well as their healthcare industry. Another aggravating example was discussed as they were showing pictures of major new plants in British Columbia which had been built in the last couple of years by Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Intel and AMD.

These plants are staffed in large part by immigrant engineers and scientists recruited to work in Canada, who were easily granted either visas or full citizenship based specifically on their level of advanced education and/or technical skills. They also interviewed employers and employees in the medical device and other manufacturing businesses who were enthusiastic about the opportunities provided to them to live and work in Canada. All were well-educated immigrants.

So while our politicians are doing stuff like issuing executive orders to permit mostly young Mexicans who are kids of illegal immigrants to stay here for another two years, and then arguing back and forth about the Constitutionality of the order, the Canadians are quietly and effectively managing their immigration policies to attract the kinds of skilled and educated workers they need to attract investment, grow their economy and create jobs.

It's no big secret. Many of the top technical companies have testified before various Congressional hearings that they simply cannot get the quality of employees needed to staff their factories here in the U.S. They have been appealing to Congress to legislate better education policies as well as immigration policies, which would result in an increased pool of talented, well-educated workers.

Of course, the Republicans and the Democrats can't agree on anything that they think should pass into law on either of those subjects. In the meantime, they're arguing about inconsequential issues that get their base political constituencies arguing with one another, always working hard to gain enough votes for re-election. In the meantime, few jobs are being created and the big employers are building plants outside the U.S.

Sick!

I find it unbelievable that the leftists on this forum, in traitorous disregard for our Constitution, are lauding the power grab of our “Imperial” Presidency in proclaiming what laws it deems worthy of actionable law enforcement in total contempt of any real power granted him by our Constitution.

Comparing this unconstitutional action by our Imperial President to the lawful presenting of a Bill to Congress by a U.S. Congressman is one of the most duplicitous and fraudulent hypotheses’ ever presented by the clueless leftists on this forum I’ve yet witnessed.

wish this forum had a LIKE button 'cause this is one of your posts that i REALLY LIKE! thanx for posting it!

According to today's New York Times, "It is well within President Obama's authority to do so because the federal government can decide how to enforce immigration law". This action is not an executive order, but rather a cabinet-level directive.

Just guessing that the White House and The New York Times have better research resources than posters on this forum.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/op...=1&ref=opinion

Obviously the link supplied concerning Gov Romney is not legitimate, but being passed off as a legitimate letter, and that speaks volumes about the administrators allowing such action as that.

This post is also the most racist, elitist post that I have ever seen on this forum and I ask the administrators to address that issue.

When the president by passes congress (however inept) to force on this country something of this import as a political STUNT, and it is a stunt as he knows it will only last until after the election and he refuses to co operate with those trying to insure that all voters are legal....when something that serious happens it requires some serious voter repercussion and I sincerely believe that the US voters will make that happen in November.

Matters not if legal.....he has shown his inability to understand the meaning of leadership, character and that this country is not a toy to be used for his political gains.

Somebody needs to take a deep breath.....and relax a bit. :kiss:

not good for american youth
 

it seems that at a time when american youth are looking for work and low cost student loans, it would behoove the President to consider THEIR needs and not give them unwanted competition from young people here illegally. the tax funds used to help illegal immigrants would better serve our own students. and how does an illegal immigrant join our military? i think that is a dangerous policy.

"Today's announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer,"

- Marco Rubio



Obama should do an end run around an incompetent, do-nothing Congress whenever he can to get things done.

An inconvenient truth....

"The harsh summer job market for teens is compounded by this: The country has recovered only half the jobs lost from December 2007 through June 2009, the worst recession in 70 years.

Teens - often the last hired and first fired - suffered the toughest summers on the job front since World War II in 2010 and 2011. This summer, the outlook is chilly - again.

In April, the U.S. unemployment rate for 16- to 19-year-olds was 24.9 percent - and much higher in some major metropolitan areas.

"What I would ask people to think about is: Who gave you your first work experience? Almost every one of us had a break to get their first job, and that work experience is essential to get your second and third job," said Larry Frank, Los Angeles deputy mayor of neighborhood and community services.

Los Angeles - with the help of federal stimulus money - created around 15,000 summer jobs for teenagers in 2009 and 2010. But as the federal program ended, that was slashed to about 6,000 in 2011. It will not rise this year.

It's a similar story in other major cities.

New York City had 52,000 summer jobs for teens in 2009. Now the program is half that size. It has five applicants for every job.

Boston hopes to get funds and private-sector placements to raise this summer's teen job program to 10,000 slots, up from 8,800 in 2011, said Conny Doty, director of the Mayor's Office of Jobs and Community Services."

Sad summer in the city seen for job-hunting teens | Reuters

The mayor of Washington DC pledged for the past number of years that any city youths that want a job will have a job. The pledge has been kept every year. The jobs are not all in DC government but also in the private sector. It works very good.

Florida could take lessons from Washington DC.

It looks as though the Tea Party has had Marko Rubio's alternative to the DREAM Act blown out of the water by President Obama. They are so flummoxed to have the wind taken from their sails that Rubio is agreeing with the Democrats and Romney was actually agreeing with it, too.

The pre-emptive strike by the President was a brilliant idea and guarantees him a victory in November.

I hope you are right because that is a losing issue for Willard - Bain has destroyed compaines, ruined families and put people out of work all the while while Willard and his band of Bain Brother Crooks pocketed millions and millions of dollars.

Oh really. Well that means the California teachers' unions and retired university faculty and staff have pocketed millions and millions, too!

Some of Bain's largest investors in private equity are public employee unions and their pensions funds. These investors include the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS), as was well as the University of California Retirement Plan (UCRP); with each having over 100 million USD committed as of the start of 2012.

Bain Capital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

chilout

As DEMOCRATIC leaders have advised the President... this is not a road you want to travel !!!

VK In all due respect the Republicans had been pushing for the same thing (ie allowing professionals, etc in under such visas). The liberals do not agree because it frustrates their efforts for the Dream Act, a frustration born only in loss of Hispanic votes.

Europe learned its lesson the hard way and now many Europeans countries are clamping down on who enters their country.

Everyone talks about the fact that we can't send these people back while I ask myself why not? They came here illegally placing a heavy burden on those states which are absorbing the greater share of them. Liberals like to pretend it is not a problem but this issue of illegal immigration is like having. a silent heart attack and without even noticing you've join your ancestors

I am still trying to get more facts and validation but I have run into an interesting fact. Did you know that the 3rd largest revenue stream for the country of Mexico is money sent back to the country from illegals immigrants in this country sending back their earnings ?

The revenue streams for Mexico are....exports, oil sales and then money sent back from illegal immigrants in the USA. Now, that means the earn it here, do not spend it here, or at least not as much as we have been lead to believe and send it back to their economy. I wonder if this includes the BILLIONS bilked from the IRS on tax frauds that it seems we do not want to stop.

I am not quite sure of the date of the report that I will link....a few years ago I would imagine since...but the report covers the cost of illegal immigration to this country and that is not something we hear much about. I can only recall hearing the benefits to our country from those who seek to make those folks BREAKING OUR LAW into some kind of heros...

"$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This is a massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - to Mexico."

Economic costs of mass immigration (legal and illegal immigration) - CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform

No offense Bucco but have you ever considered taking up a less time consuming and equally influential hobby like counting the grains of sand in the golf course traps in TV?

If the citizens of this country only supported laws that benefited other citizens in some way........................we would not have ended slavery .

We are a moral nation originally founded on Christianity..............now we are home to all worldwide faiths..............but remain a moral nation guided by justice for all .

Not exactly a liberal, but I do lean left. I also live in the West and have since I was 16. Not in favor of this policy.

coralway - some of your posts can really give me a belly laff - just like this one did!

legal immigrants not necessarily pleased
 

as one whose son is married to a mexican-american who had to go through quite a rigamarole to become a citizen, even with an american husband, i can testify that she is not pleased with this development. this is competition for her own children. nor are those all over the world who are waiting patiently to enter legally. this is just encouraging more people to get their children into the USA illegally in hopes of future leniency. wonder why everyone wants to come here? oh, must be because we are the greatest country in the world! at least for the present.

Yep...and the banks make it very easy for them.

Bank of America has a service called "Safe Send".

As I have stated in the past, I worked in the "Illegal Alien Capitol of New Jersey" (New Brunswick).

A large part of the city consists of illegals. They rent their homes with another 2 or 3 families in order to save on the rent.

They open their checking and savings accounts with their consular cards and
passports and their Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINS) that we talked about a few weeks ago.

All they had to do was get the bank name and account number from their relatives in Mexico and wait a few days for it to be verified.

They could then return to BOA and request that the bank transfer funds from their accounts to the awaiting relatives in Mexico. FREE OF CHARGE!

(By the way...Safe Send was advertised to them as an enticement to open up checking and savings accounts.)


And, yes, Bucco...those funds did include their "tax fraud refunds".

Thousands and thousands of $$$$ are transferred from New Brunswick alone.

Sorta really makes you sick, doesn't it? I sure felt that way.

our home community has a large representation of italians - and at church this sunday obama's action was a real hot topic before and after mass. oodles of those who immigrated here and learned the langauge and then their citizenship were, shall i say, hopping mad! they are proud people who know the value of working for something and earning it - they have no respect for the president who is giving away legal residency to illegals regardless of how they came to be here! and these italians vote, too! :)