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jnieman 10-01-2012 04:14 PM

Problem with golf today
 
Had a 9:53 tee time today on Redfish Run. We waited until the people in front of us went to the next hole before teeing off. On hole four we were so backed up that there were 4 carts sitting at the tee box waiting to tee off on 4. The people in front of them were still on the green. The foursome behind us were fast approaching and then there would have been six carts at hole 4. It was the first time we have experienced anything like this. There was no ambassador that we saw. We gave up and left and went to lunch. One of the players with us reported it to the starter shack. Not sure what happened after that.

graciegirl 10-01-2012 04:18 PM

I hope the people will read this and see what "taking your time" and not playing to keep up with the group ahead of you can do.

spk7951 10-01-2012 04:37 PM

Fairly common problem on that exec course. I suspect because of the water on the 4th it becomes an issue and I have seen some people hit 2 or 3 tee shots. Rarely ever put that course in our requests.

gomoho 10-01-2012 05:42 PM

Thanks for the infor psk7951 - guess we need to stay away to avoid a backup. I was with the OP and it was quite frustrating.

gemorc 10-01-2012 07:19 PM

Probably the most annoying problem on the championship courses is the five hour or MORE round of golf. I noticed it occurs more during the afternoon wave than in the mourning. It should never take more than four and a half hours to play eighteen holes of golf.

justjim 10-01-2012 07:34 PM

I Believe hole #4 has a drop area so it shouldn't be a big problem. We played Yankee Clipper this morning with Tee time close to 11:00 and played in 1:50 minutes. We had a short wait the last two holes but overall not too bad. No doubt most times patience is a virtue when playing the executive courses and since no new executive courses have been built this year (and about 5,000 additional new residents) patience will certainly be required this winter!

graciegirl 10-01-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 562453)
I Believe hole #4 has a drop area so it shouldn't be a big problem. We played Yankee Clipper this morning with Tee time close to 11:00 and played in 1:50 minutes. We had a short wait the last two holes but overall not too bad. No doubt most times patience is a virtue when playing the executive courses and since no new executive courses have been built this year (and about 5,000 additional new residents) patience will certainly be required this winter!

You are right as usual. It is going to be a nightmare.

NotGolfer 10-01-2012 07:38 PM

Just wait until "high season"!!! Maybe it's begun because the hubs got clipped off from his request for tomorrow!

graciegirl 10-01-2012 07:55 PM

There are more people here for this time of year by far than the last four years we have been here.

I dread the traffic accidents in the waiting.

pqrstar 10-01-2012 08:08 PM

No ambassador to be found
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnieman (Post 562377)
Had a 9:53 tee time today on Redfish Run. We waited until the people in front of us went to the next hole before teeing off. On hole four we were so backed up that there were 4 carts sitting at the tee box waiting to tee off on 4. The people in front of them were still on the green. The foursome behind us were fast approaching and then there would have been six carts at hole 4. It was the first time we have experienced anything like this. There was no ambassador that we saw. We gave up and left and went to lunch. One of the players with us reported it to the starter shack. Not sure what happened after that.

Never tried this, but the score cards have the phone number of the starter shack for that course. Could you have used your cell phone to call them to send an ambassador.

asianthree 10-01-2012 08:24 PM

ugh more than 4 hours on a champ course is not ready golf

ugotme 10-01-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spk7951 (Post 562387)
Fairly common problem on that exec course. I suspect because of the water on the 4th it becomes an issue and I have seen some people hit 2 or 3 tee shots. Rarely ever put that course in our requests.

That, of course, is one of the problems. shouldn't be hitting 2 or 3 tee shots.
go to the drop area and hit. If you still go in the water, pick up and GOOOOOOO.

Happinow 10-02-2012 06:55 AM

Back up on fort walton
 
I'm not a golfer but a few days ago there was a six carts backed up on the 8th tee on this course. I wondered what could have backed them up so? I felt bad for those who had to wait so long. One cart just turned around and left.

Posh 08 10-02-2012 07:16 AM

Sooooo, the "free" golf is not working so good? :duck:

graciegirl 10-02-2012 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 562571)
Sooooo, the "free" golf is not working so good? :duck:

Happinow lives on a championship course that isn't free.

It isn't a problem with free golf as much as supply and demand and people not used to playing golf in a timely manner.

Posh 08 10-02-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 562574)
Happinow lives on a championship course that isn't free.

It isn't a problem with free golf as much as supply and demand and people not used to playing golf in a timely manner.

The overcrowded/backed up course the OP posted about was "free". Right?

graciegirl 10-02-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 562579)
The overcrowded/backed up course the OP posted about was "free". Right?

Yes. But it is solved now Posh. Fig went over and cleared people out. ;)

looneycat 10-02-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 562571)
Sooooo, the "free" golf is not working so good? :duck:

it's actually working wonderfully. I've paid to play elsewhere and got backed up there as well...what's the difference? in the villages it is free, where else can you decide you don't want to wait and leave without financial penalty?? this is freeeeee, the golf is great, some of the golfers..not so much

:gc:

2 Oldcrabs 10-02-2012 07:47 AM

Problems
 
I like living in "The Bubble ", where waiting for golfers in front of you is a big probelm! Lets you forget the "Problems of the World":pepper2:

JSR22 10-02-2012 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 562476)
ugh more than 4 hours on a champ course is not ready golf

My husband plays the championship courses 3 to 4 days per weeek, has no problem getting tee times before 9 and always plays within 4 hours. He is 100% satisfied withe golf in TV.
:pepper2:

JoeC1947 10-02-2012 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 562584)
it's actually working wonderfully. I've paid to play elsewhere and got backed up there as well...what's the difference? in the villages it is free, where else can you decide you don't want to wait and leave without financial penalty?? this is freeeeee, the golf is great, some of the golfers..not so much

:gc:

For once I agree with you.

looneycat 10-02-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 562593)
For once I agree with you.

welcome to the dark side Joe....

Golfer in Sanibel 10-02-2012 08:25 AM

What s the difference? Are you afraid you'll be late for work? lol

It is too bad you allowed your impatience to get in the way of your having a good time. When I retired I promised myself I'd never add unnecessary stress to my life by being in a hurry, again. The execs are where the "new to golf" golfers go. Wouldn't you rather the newbees play the execs than the champ courses? You should expect to wait on an exec. I would rather wait on an exec than a champ course where I had paid to play. Just adding my 2 cents. Send your irate pms to Gracie. lol :beer3:

graciegirl 10-02-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfer in Sanibel (Post 562607)
What s the difference? Are you afraid you'll be late for work? lol

It is too bad you allowed your impatience to get in the way of your having a good time. When I retired I promised myself I'd never add unnecessary stress to my life by being in a hurry, again. The execs are where the "new to golf" golfers go. Wouldn't you rather the newbees play the execs than the champ courses? You should expect to wait on an exec. I would rather wait on an exec than a champ course where I had paid to play. Just adding my 2 cents. Send your irate pms to Gracie. lol :beer3:

HEY NOW...

This could get ugly. I have a beast of a toothache...and the tooth has already been removed.

spk7951 10-02-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 562481)
That, of course, is one of the problems. shouldn't be hitting 2 or 3 tee shots.
go to the drop area and hit. If you still go in the water, pick up and GOOOOOOO.


Exactly but it happens. Couple of yrs ago my wife & I played an exec with a couple we did not know. On one hole this other lady hit into the water, teed up and again went into the water. She teed up for the 3rd time at which point I asked about going to the drop area. Her reply was that she was allowed 6 shots before picking up. I said that was true but each shot into the water you add a penalty stroke so she was now hitting 5. She did not believe me and asked her husband who meekly told her I was correct.

jnieman 10-02-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfer in Sanibel (Post 562607)
What s the difference? Are you afraid you'll be late for work? lol

It is too bad you allowed your impatience to get in the way of your having a good time. When I retired I promised myself I'd never add unnecessary stress to my life by being in a hurry, again. The execs are where the "new to golf" golfers go. Wouldn't you rather the newbees play the execs than the champ courses? You should expect to wait on an exec. I would rather wait on an exec than a champ course where I had paid to play. Just adding my 2 cents. Send your irate pms to Gracie. lol :beer3:

I didn't let my impatience get in the way of my having a good time. Like I said, I left and went to lunch. I just didn't choose to stay and wait. My lunch was great and I enjoyed the rest of the day. I was just curious as to whether this was something that happens regularly. The kind posters on here have answered my question thank you.

George Bieniaszek 10-02-2012 10:47 AM

I don't understand why some people get all hot under the collar if they catch up to a group of golfers and "God Forbid" they have to wait a while before continuing with the game.

My wife and I are new to golf and during the summer months play as a couple so that we don't embarass ourselves more than we should and once in a while, we will catch up with a 4-some in front of us. At that point, we just reach back, grab a water from the cooler, relax, enjoy the peace, beauty, and serenity of the gold course and just enjoy.

When we play as a 4-some with friends and have to stop and wait, we get a chance to catch up on family news because if we are moving hole-to-hole during a game, there is little opportunity for chit-chat and you have to get down to the business at hand.

People have to relax, enjoy the beauty of The Villages, reduce the stress levels that they should have left behind when they retired from their jobs. That way, you will live longer and spend more of your children's inheritance :)

graciegirl 10-02-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Bieniaszek (Post 562656)
I don't understand why some people get all hot under the collar if they catch up to a group of golfers and "God Forbid" they have to wait a while before continuing with the game.

My wife and I are new to golf and during the summer months play as a couple so that we don't embarass ourselves more than we should and once in a while, we will catch up with a 4-some in front of us. At that point, we just reach back, grab a water from the cooler, relax, enjoy the peace, beauty, and serenity of the gold course and just enjoy.

When we play as a 4-some with friends and have to stop and wait, we get a chance to catch up on family news because if we are moving hole-to-hole during a game, there is little opportunity for chit-chat and you have to get down to the business at hand.

People have to relax, enjoy the beauty of The Villages, reduce the stress levels that they should have left behind when they retired from their jobs. That way, you will live longer and spend more of your children's inheritance :)

You are right of course, but what you are describing is just waiting for the group ahead of you to tee off, not having a backlog of the group behind you and the group behind them. That is a good indication that someone is holding up the whole course by taking mulligans and searching for lost balls and not picking up their ball after double par and just plain taking too much time. They aren't being nasty, just being completely unaware that there are expectations on the golf course.

No one is expecting anyone to rush, just to be considerate, and if people are new, they don't know what is expected. it is wise to take a course on golf if you are new and then you will know why people are smiling...or frowning.

It is just something that is expected in golf, to keep the pace of play.

OCsun 10-02-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Bieniaszek (Post 562656)
I don't understand why some people get all hot under the collar if they catch up to a group of golfers and "God Forbid" they have to wait a while before continuing with the game.

My wife and I are new to golf and during the summer months play as a couple so that we don't embarass ourselves more than we should and once in a while, we will catch up with a 4-some in front of us. At that point, we just reach back, grab a water from the cooler, relax, enjoy the peace, beauty, and serenity of the gold course and just enjoy.

When we play as a 4-some with friends and have to stop and wait, we get a chance to catch up on family news because if we are moving hole-to-hole during a game, there is little opportunity for chit-chat and you have to get down to the business at hand.

People have to relax, enjoy the beauty of The Villages, reduce the stress levels that they should have left behind when they retired from their jobs. That way, you will live longer and spend more of your children's inheritance :)


:agree:

George Bieniaszek 10-02-2012 11:11 AM

I totally agree with your comments Gracie. A little courtesy will go a long way and if your group feels that they are causing a bottleneck, then they should play best ball or just skip the hole if they can and move on. The ambassadors should intervine and decide what is the best remedy and not be worried that someone will complain about them.

I wonder if The Villages has any statistics on persistant backups on certian courses and maybe add a minute or two between tee times to help lessen the backups. Yes, you can potentially loose a couple of tee times per hour and maybe 20 tee times for the day. With the shorter days in the winter and less tee times available at a time when The Villages fills up with snowbirds,I understand that this may not be a good solution either.

I whole-heartedly agree that you have to be considerate, aware of your surroundings, and keep pace with the play.

karostay 10-02-2012 11:51 AM

Lets be real..Not every 18 hole round can be played in 4 hours or less
Would be nice but not realistic.When you head out you should have mind set of 4 to 5 hours if played in 4 Oh Great! if not Oh well that's the way the round went.If your going to be upset throw a fit then you shouldn't play.
More times than not you'll be disappointed.Why drag down the rest of the group just enjoy the round and your friends:gc:

JoeC1947 10-02-2012 12:35 PM

I like to have a good game as much as the next guy but I'm mostly out there for fun, relaxation, exercise (I walk), and to meet people. With the diverse group of golfers we have here there are bound to be delays from time to time. So what. Are you going to get upset and ruin your day and game, make your BP rise or are you going to enjoy the beautiful day and thank god that you can. Your choice. Since I moved to the villages my BP has dropped from 140/95 to a consistent 115/72, why? Because i don't give a dang about the things I cannot change.

bluedog103 10-02-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by George Bieniaszek (Post 562667)
I totally agree with your comments Gracie.

I wonder if The Villages has any statistics on persistant backups on certian courses and maybe add a minute or two between tee times to help lessen the backups. Yes, you can potentially loose a couple of tee times per hour and maybe 20 tee times for the day. With the shorter days in the winter and less tee times available at a time when The Villages fills up with snowbirds,I understand that this may not be a good solution either.

I whole-heartedly agree that you have to be considerate, aware of your surroundings, and keep pace with the play.

George, you say you are new to golf. I don't know if you've played in TV during the winter or not but eliminating any tee times is not a good idea. These courses are packed every day. If just one foursome farts around with mulligan after mulligan, wanders around looking for lost golf balls and isn't ready to hit when it's their turn they'll back up that course for the entire day.Tee times are issued at close intervals for a reason. Golfers are encouraged to play good golf for the same reason, to keep things moving. Taking longer than necessary doesn't just affect the group behind you, the one giving you the evil eye, it affects everyone for the rest of the day. You can literally have dozens of people standing around tapping their feet and chewing on their pencils waiting for you to shake a leg. These are your neighbors. Why not give them a break and move along instead of complaining that folks behind you are overly impatient.

rubicon 10-02-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 562592)
My husband plays the championship courses 3 to 4 days per weeek, has no problem getting tee times before 9 and always plays within 4 hours. He is 100% satisfied withe golf in TV.
:pepper2:

JSR22 give it a little more time and soon the satisfaction factor will drop to 80% then 60% and then your husband will be playing off campus more and more and more until summer rolls around.

The "free" golf on the Executive Courses which aren't so free are becoming a nightmare to play. Beside which many many more people will be bumped off this year than in previous years. Every course has water holes or other hazards that is not the problem. The problem for those playing on the executive courses is that some golfers do not follow the Callaway Rule. If your not playing well pick up when you recognize that you will never do better than double the par (6) on a par 3 (8) on a par 4. I played golf with a guy who was hitting his ninth shot from the greenside bunkeron a par 4 and badly backing up the course

Ready golf is important and essential

karostay 10-02-2012 04:22 PM

Have you ever driven on the LA freeway
There are lights reducing the flow of traffic entering the freeway.
Is it any less backed up.... NO
Think of a tee time as one of these lights
Just a tool to get your round started.Not meant to control pace of play

gomoho 10-02-2012 05:40 PM

And that is probably why people left LA - the backups - who wants to deal with that nonsense in retirement???

bluedog103 10-02-2012 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfer in Sanibel (Post 562607)
What s the difference? Are you afraid you'll be late for work? lol

It is too bad you allowed your impatience to get in the way of your having a good time. When I retired I promised myself I'd never add unnecessary stress to my life by being in a hurry, again. The execs are where the "new to golf" golfers go. Wouldn't you rather the newbees play the execs than the champ courses? You should expect to wait on an exec. I would rather wait on an exec than a champ course where I had paid to play. Just adding my 2 cents. Send your irate pms to Gracie. lol :beer3:

I should expect to wait on and executive course? Funny, I went to good golf school, read every bit of info I could find and haven't seen that rule anywhere. Just where can I go to verify your statement?
I have never seen anyone deliberately choose the longest line at a toll booth, retired or not. Same with the supermarket. I just can't recall the last time I saw anyone fight their way to the back of the line. We all like to move along and I don't think that's being impatient at all. Perhaps you disagree. If so I'll be happy to take your place in the express line at Publix. You won't mind will you?

jimmemac 10-02-2012 09:26 PM

I never knew there were so many perfect people in the villages-come on people; it is only a game learn to enjoy it each every day no matter what- life is too short. We live in a pretty nice place but no it is not perfect!

ugotme 10-02-2012 10:51 PM

Sorry !
Not saying people should "rush around the course" but there is a factor.
How long is long enough? If you had someone who played a nine hole exec course in 4 hours would you not be annoyed? WHY? Some of you said to relax, it's only a game, etc.

Every game has its courtesies. No, you shouldn't run around the course but sooner or later you have to be aware of other players.

Just saying.

karostay 10-03-2012 09:44 AM

No one ever said 4 hours on an executive course
read the whole thread before making a foolish statement
If you can't relax and enjoy the game don't pull down the rest of group who unfortunately got paired up with you


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