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philnpat 10-04-2012 06:53 PM

house fire
 
We were on the 3rd hole of Bogart at around 5:30 when we saw black smoke in the distance. Minutes later we hard sirens. Because of the weather, we cut our game short and went to see what was happening. A home in Liberty Park on Holly Hill behind the pool was totally destroyed by fire. Thankfully, the residents weren't there. We were told they hadn't come back yet for the season. The home next door lost it's siding. The one plus...no injuries. Keep them in your prayers.

gomoho 10-04-2012 06:55 PM

Wow - so sorry to hear. Second fire since we arrived in June. Anyone know what happened???

philnpat 10-04-2012 07:00 PM

It appears that the garage took the worst of it.

cab1948 10-04-2012 07:15 PM

Fire
 
How terrible....Glad no one was home and no one got hurt...I forget what time the storm started...do you think it was struck by lightning?

hotrodgirl 10-04-2012 07:31 PM

I am so sorry to hear this terrible news, but so grateful no one was injured. True, 2 fires recently. I will keep the owners in my prayers...

philnpat 10-04-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cab1948 (Post 563690)
How terrible....Glad no one was home and no one got hurt...I forget what time the storm started...do you think it was struck by lightning?

The storm was brewing but not yet here.

CaptJohn 10-04-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by philnpat (Post 563687)
It appears that the garage took the worst of it.

Makes me think it might be overheated golf cart batteries like the previous one. Just a wild guess.

2BNTV 10-05-2012 08:22 AM

:pray:

Cedwards38 10-05-2012 08:27 AM

How do the golf cart batteries get overheated? Is this just with electric carts? Is this common?

KathieI 10-05-2012 08:30 AM

I thought I was crazy... (correction, I know I'm crazy) but I smelled smoke all day yesterday and didn't hear anything about a fire. So sad for those people and so glad no one was hurt. :MOJE_whot:

jimbo2012 10-05-2012 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 563807)
How do the golf cart batteries get overheated? Is this just with electric carts? Is this common?

Any battery under charge that R not maintained can have issues, cables need to be tight and water levels correct.

But we should not jump to such conclusions or a wild guess.

Could have been many things

As to last fire.....in Hadley it was not reported as golf cart fire according to this post

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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 548486)
Last night I was at a club meeting where the guest speaker was Lt. Jeff Day from The Villages fire department. I asked about the fire and he said the investigation was still ongoing. He said the fire appeared to have originated in an area of the garage where the homeowner kept his radio controlled airplanes. He specifically said that the homeowner's golf cart was not thought to be the cause of the fire.


bike42 10-05-2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KathieI (Post 563809)
I thought I was crazy... (correction, I know I'm crazy) but I smelled smoke all day yesterday and didn't hear anything about a fire. So sad for those people and so glad no one was hurt. :MOJE_whot:

Usually the smoke smell comes from forest fires in the Ocala National Forest.

skip0358 10-05-2012 08:59 AM

fire
 
took a ride by early this AM. Looks like the back of the garage went up thru the attic opening and took out the roof. house is fed by gas, one report said HO weren't down yet so doubt was a battery I'd bet gas problem. JMO
Main thing is no injuries.

justjim 10-05-2012 09:00 AM

This makes four fires in fairly recent time that I remember starting in the Villager's garage. My only thought is that it's hot in there---no pun intended but a lot heat can make "things" happen that ordinarily wouldn't happen.

skip0358 10-05-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 563823)
This makes four fires in fairly recent time that I remember starting in the Villager's garage. My only thought is that it's hot in there---no pun intended but a lot heat can make "things" happen that ordinarily wouldn't happen.

And NO SMOKE ALARMS. Buy some today and install them.

jimbo2012 10-05-2012 09:36 AM

Skip, if no one is home the smoke alarms don't help I guess.

duffysmom 10-05-2012 09:43 AM

The neighbor reported hearing an explosion before fire started.

jagdl 10-05-2012 10:03 AM

We were shocked
 
We saw the fire and moved out of the area to make sure we did not get in the way of the fire fighters who were just starting to arrive. We rode back by later in the evening to see how bad the house was damaged. It appears to be completely destroyed. We could not find anything about it on the news so was glad to find your update that the residents were not at home. We feel for the people in Liberty Park as the smoke smell is quite strong. Anyone hear what caused the fire if no one was there? With no one cooking, burning candles, Christmas trees (notorius) or using appliances it limits the possible sources.

skip0358 10-05-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 563834)
Skip, if no one is home the smoke alarms don't help I guess.

No your right but in the last one in Hadley there were people home and had there been someone home in this one smoke alarms would have alerted them in both cases. I installed 2 in my garage one by the kitchen door the other by the A/C Hotwater heater closet. Most fires start small so the smoke alarm would deffinatly help.

socrafty 10-05-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 563888)
No your right but in the last one in Hadley there were people home and had there been someone home in this one smoke alarms would have alerted them in both cases. I installed 2 in my garage one by the kitchen door the other by the A/C Hotwater heater closet. Most fires start small so the smoke alarm would deffinatly help.

I have never thought about smoke detectors in the garage. Thank you for mentioning it, I think it is a great idea!

1978tbird 10-05-2012 12:42 PM

Smoke alarms aren't very practical in a garage due to auto exhaust, dust, humidity, etc. (Speaking from experience.)

JJ&TJ 10-05-2012 03:39 PM

You typically use heat detectors in a garage. I have been a firefighter for the past 35 years and really dont like it when people guess at what has caused a fire. You cause people to worry about things they should not be. I did not pay attention to the people saying the Hadley fire was caused by a golf cart battery because the fire investigators had not finalized their report. If you dont know 100 percent dont guess. Wait for the official report. Just had to vent on this subject.

MLBellis 10-06-2012 01:17 AM

The people who live in the home were coming back (they are snowbirds) they had someone go in & turn on their hot water heater, water & charge up the golf cart battery (electric cart) the battery was runned down... He left the home and shortly after the house caught fire. They say it was cause when a battery runs low the acids build up and will explode (this is what I have been told) with the battery & the gas from the hot water tank (he may have not drained it before lighting it) it exploded! The fire was so bad that the house next door siding melted. This took place in the villages of Liberty park. the street next to the mail boxes.

lovesports 10-06-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ&TJ (Post 563975)
You typically use heat detectors in a garage. I have been a firefighter for the past 35 years and really dont like it when people guess at what has caused a fire. You cause people to worry about things they should not be. I did not pay attention to the people saying the Hadley fire was caused by a golf cart battery because the fire investigators had not finalized their report. If you dont know 100 percent dont guess. Wait for the official report. Just had to vent on this subject.

So true. Good post.

entemedor 10-06-2012 12:41 PM

I've always been a more than a tad worried about charging my golf cart batteries in an enclosed garage. Worried enough so that when I start the charge and the batteries are charging at a high-amperage rate I open the garage door. When the meter on the front of the battery charger shows that the charge is almost completed I shut the garage door.

When lead-acid batteries (the kind that are in a golf cart) are charged, they give off hydrogen and if the gas hot-water heater kicks on, there's also an open flame in the garage.

Guess the reason I'm concerned about this is that the boats I were on in the Navy all those years ago operated on battery power when submerged. From time-to-time, the batteries would have to be charged by the diesel engines. Charging the batteries was done under the supervision of a first-class petty officer (an E-6) because what with hydrogen being given off during charging, you wanted a senior enlisted man keeping an eye on things. At times, things went wrong which could lead to an explosion and loss of life (google USS Pomodon).

goodgrief 10-06-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bike42 (Post 563817)
Usually the smoke smell comes from forest fires in the Ocala National Forest.


Not crazy...and they were doing it today...burning down south of sanibel area..clearing land no doubt. I was actually sick from the racid smell of it acouple days ago. Today they had a HUGE plume of it going.

downeaster 10-06-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ&TJ (Post 563975)
You typically use heat detectors in a garage. I have been a firefighter for the past 35 years and really dont like it when people guess at what has caused a fire. You cause people to worry about things they should not be. I did not pay attention to the people saying the Hadley fire was caused by a golf cart battery because the fire investigators had not finalized their report. If you dont know 100 percent dont guess. Wait for the official report. Just had to vent on this subject.

Well said. All of this speculation is counterproductive. House fires can be caused by any number of reasons. Let's leave it to the fire inspectors to make the determination, which can take some time.

Shirleevee 10-06-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by downeaster (Post 564369)
Well said. All of this speculation is counterproductive. House fires can be caused by any number of reasons. Let's leave it to the fire inspectors to make the determination, which can take some time.

Amen and thank you~:bigbow::bigbow:

Barefoot 10-06-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ&TJ (Post 563975)
You typically use heat detectors in a garage. I have been a firefighter for the past 35 years and really dont like it when people guess at what has caused a fire. You cause people to worry about things they should not be. I did not pay attention to the people saying the Hadley fire was caused by a golf cart battery because the fire investigators had not finalized their report. If you dont know 100 percent dont guess. Wait for the official report. Just had to vent on this subject.

My husband is a retired firefighter. He agrees with you 100% that we should wait for the Official Report. Idle speculation just causes people to worry.

dmorhome 01-16-2014 05:53 PM

heat sink could be installed
 
heat sink set at 135 degrees would work but that is a extra exspense,and its all about profit.


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