Talk of The Villages Florida

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)
-   The Villages, Florida, General Discussion (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/)
-   -   Newly Acquired Village Land off of 466A (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/newly-acquired-village-land-off-466a-68727/)

JP 01-25-2013 09:22 PM

Newly Acquired Village Land off of 466A
 
Does anyone have any information about the rumor that the village developer has acquired 900 acres of land off of 466A that will extend the build out date of TV up to 18 months?

NJblue 01-25-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615312)
Does anyone have any information about the rumor that the village developer has acquired 900 acres of land off of 466A that will extend the build out date of TV up to 18 months?

What land?

If true, and if it doesn't include space for executive golf, the claim of "free golf for the rest of your life" will take yet another credibility hit. In the past few years, NONE of the property that has been acquired and/or converted to residential use has been accompanied with additional golf resources.

champion6 01-25-2013 10:07 PM

In my mind, that's not a rumor. It's complete fiction.

"900 acres of land off of 466A" in Sumter County that could be purchased by TV doesn't exist.

If you let you imagination run wild, MAYBE parcels south of 466A in Lake County MIGHT be useful to TV and MIGHT add up to 900 acres. But very, very doubtful.

justjim 01-25-2013 10:12 PM

Rumors, rumors, rumors----you hear them all the time in TV. Not valid until you see something valid.

Barefoot 01-25-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615312)
Does anyone have any information about the rumor that the village developer has acquired 900 acres of land off of 466A that will extend the build out date of TV up to 18 months?

Rumors in TV are more plentiful than golf carts.

golf2140 01-25-2013 10:23 PM

What I heard is that they purchased the land to add a Macy's, Trader Joe's, WAWA, Little Ceasers Pizza, Sears, Home Goods among others. :MOJE_whot:

JP 01-25-2013 11:13 PM

There is a piece of land that is parallel to 466A across from TV library that has been for sale for a while and looks like about 900 acres to me. There was also a recent construction update in The Sun that said they were widening County Rd 462 which intersects 466A at the corner of that vacant land and continues out to intersect 301.

graciegirl 01-26-2013 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615357)
There is a piece of land that is parallel to 466A across from TV library that has been for sale for a while and looks like about 900 acres to me. There was also a recent construction update in The Sun that said they were widening County Rd 462 which intersects 466A at the corner of that vacant land and continues out to intersect 301.

I am sure that owners of property around here have lotsa land they want to sell to the developers but the asking prices are so high that it would not be feasible to buy it and keep the homes in the existing price range.

So those owners will probably continue to keep their land. The developers don't seem to be stupid.

AND do NOT believe all you read on this forum. It contains so many rumors and so much misinformation that it makes my head spin and is ONE of the reasons I post so much.

Jasper1963 01-26-2013 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615312)
Does anyone have any information about the rumor that the village developer has acquired 900 acres of land off of 466A that will extend the build out date of TV up to 18 months?

I have heard the same rumor. The proposed widening of 466a would be consistent with that.

graciegirl 01-26-2013 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasper1963 (Post 615393)
I have heard the same rumor. The proposed widening of 466a would be consistent with that.

Welcome to the forum.

From whence heareth thoust rumor?

rubicon 01-26-2013 07:10 AM

Believe this...If the past is prologue to the future than The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc. will build on every square inch of free space that it can lay its hands on. And as to "the free golf for the rest of your life" marketing spiel it ain't free

graciegirl 01-26-2013 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 615408)
Believe this...If the past is prologue to the future than The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc. will build on every square inch of free space that it can lay its hands on. And as to "the free golf for the rest of your life" marketing spiel it ain't free

Now Rubicon. Building is what builders do. Developing is what developers do. If they do it well, they make money. People are in business to make money. That is not shameful.

As for free golf, it is the closest to free this woman has seen in her 73 years.


And there are many vistas, and photo ops and beautiful free spaces with tall trees, bushes and flowers that the planners have left for us to enjoy.

Keep it coming, I say. If it ain't broke, it don't need to be fixed.

PaPaLarry 01-26-2013 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasper1963 (Post 615393)
I have heard the same rumor. The proposed widening of 466a would be consistent with that.

And your source to this rumor??????

JP 01-26-2013 08:40 AM

I read about this land purchase in a monthly newsletter that I get by the author of The Villages Florida Book

ROCKETMAN 01-26-2013 08:59 AM

they should have a seperate forum just for rumors. then i could just avoid that forum. there is plenty of space next to brownwood for all those stores,macy,and cheesecake factory. etc.

Bogie Shooter 01-26-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615453)
I read about this land purchase in a monthly newsletter that I get by the author of The Villages Florida Book

Went to the web site for Villages Florida Book. Can't believe people pay money ($77) for information they can get for free on TOTV.

Cisco Kid 01-26-2013 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROCKETMAN (Post 615456)
they should have a seperate forum just for rumors. then i could just avoid that forum. there is plenty of space next to brownwood for all those stores,macy,and cheesecake factory. etc.

I heard one was coming
:throwtomatoes:

asianthree 01-26-2013 09:41 AM

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Baci514 01-26-2013 09:42 AM

Where there is smoke there is fire!

JP 01-26-2013 09:57 AM

I am very interested in any information people on TOTV might have on this subject because I built a house about nine months ago in the village of St. James that is nearby to what I believe is the land in question. I love the location but especially like it because I get to sit out on my lanai at night and listen to the cows baying/mooing. Just wanted to prepare myself for not having my baying/mooing "buddies" around anymore. Maybe my neighbors would pick up the slack?

OldDave 01-26-2013 10:04 AM

Good morning fellow rumor mongers! Don't you just love it. (I don't know why some folks here don't want rumors posted. We wouldn't have anything to talk about it they weren't, lol)

First, I agree with Gracie, despite all my questioning of EVERYTHING, there is nothing wrong with the growth this company is doing as long as they handle it well; and handling it well is judged by sales, and the satisfaction of existing owners. (btw, Gracie, what are you doing posting at 3 in the morning girl?) Someone complained, I think in another thread that TV kept building, but wasn't building any new golf courses. Perhaps I'm missing something but to my eye it seems they are building lots of new courses south of 466A. There seem to be more pools, rec centers, etc, especially compared to north of 466.

As to rumors, let me point out something from the world we all love so much, politics. Trial balloons are a staple of politics. You spread a rumor just to see how it flies. After much research you'll see that many, if not most political rumors are started either by the party involved for the trial balloon purpose, or unfortunately the other side just to do damage. I wouldn't see how the developer would benefit from the latter.

So much of what you hear may be rooted in fact, at least in the early planning stages. It doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. I know we all want Macy's, etc. However, we suffer from an unusual problem, we are the wrong demographic for many stores. Clothing is bought mostly by my 19 year old daughter. (I don't mean all 19 year olds, I mean mine specifically is buying most of the clothes in the country!!!) We cannot offer that to them. They not only sell most of their clothes to younger people, they can get away with higher markups on trendy brands. Say one thing for us old folks, we know how to look at a price tag. And I don't know this for sure, but I remember someone saying TV insists on owning the land and just leasing it to these kind of businesses. Someone said that's why Walmart if so far west, because they wouldn't agree to this. Honestly I don't know if it's true, but it would certainly disuade some companies.

Also, someone mentioned the 900 acre rumor. Several days ago no one could prove that TV was NOT done expanding. We had a great thread about moving south of Lake Deaton. Just rumors. Within three days it was announced that TV had bought new land next to the lake and were building 350 new homes. So, whether trial balloons or leaked info, rumor almost always has some level of fact behind it.

As to the 900 acres across from the library. 900 acres would be around 1 mile by 1.5 miles. In looking at that field via Google Maps, it is no where near that big. Maybe 120 acres. Of course the 900 acres wouldn't have to be all in one piece. The only continuous spot I see, within Sumter County, near the southern expansion is between 44 and the turnpike and between 468 and the Lake County line. On Google it is mostly just woodlands. Of course these pictures are sometimes a couple of years old. This one shows housing being built almost to the north edge of Lake Deaton, and road building to and around Brownwood, but no building construction. So, it's probably between one and two years old.

So we can continue to watch, listen and speculate. I frankly don't mind it, because this affects all of us, residents, snow.... and wantabes alike.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-26-2013 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 615439)
Now Rubicon. Building is what builders do. Developing is what developers do. If they do it well, they make money. People are in business to make money. That is not shameful.

As for free golf, it is the closest to free this woman has seen in her 73 years.


And there are many vistas, and photo ops and beautiful free spaces with tall trees, bushes and flowers that the planners have left for us to enjoy.

Keep it coming, I say. If it ain't broke, it don't need to be fixed.

I agree. I don't understand why people think that things like this affect them. I live in a nice little house in one of most crime free areas in the country. I have all of these amenities for $145 a month and the cost of living is pretty low. The air is clean, the grounds are immaculate. I love this place and I have a great life here. What do I care if some is going to build more stores or houses on 900 acres of land that is not being used?

I bet that the people in the historic district were having these same conversations when the began building on the other side of 441/27. The world didn't end. The Villages didn't become a horrible place to live. If anything it became better.

skyguy79 01-26-2013 10:07 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615357)
There is a piece of land that is parallel to 466A across from TV library that has been for sale for a while and looks like about 900 acres to me. There was also a recent construction update in The Sun that said they were widening County Rd 462 which intersects 466A at the corner of that vacant land and continues out to intersect 301.

If this rumor were true and there were 900 acres available, it would have to be in Lake Co. There's nothing near that size area available in Sumter Co.

I've checked along 466a from the Lake Co. line to Rt 301 and the largest parcel showing is approx. 130 acres and it's just east of Powell Rd on the north side of 466a. The largest contiguous parcels (7) at the NE corner of 466a & Powell is approx. 325 acres or less. This is shown on the attached map.

So my conclusion is that I don't see the expansion possible in Sumter Co. and I've heard many times that TV will not build any more homes in Lake Co. for whatever their reason is.

JP 01-26-2013 10:19 AM

Thanks for the info!

Patty55 01-26-2013 10:29 AM

Maybe the land isn't vacant yet.

marianne237 01-26-2013 10:59 AM

We have a home on the west end of Poinciana and enjoyed sitting in our lanai in the evenings listening to the cows and coyotes howling. The land was open and the sunsets just beautiful.....then St. James was built and the golf course and no more quiet evenings, but new neighbors who are delightful. Enjoy what you have now, and look forward to enjoying what comes next.

mmatcg 01-26-2013 11:37 AM

New commercial off 466a?
 
Regarding the parcels on the northeast quadrant of CR 462 and CR 466-A,

they are likely to be developed into commercials.

here's some pictures.


http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/1...5EF0A04_tn.jpg

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/4...2549FA9_tn.jpg

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/A...DBD6DA2_tn.jpg

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/C...B2A85E3_tn.jpg



Lot B (In red) is located across 466-A from New County Government Offices and is currently under contract.

Seems different parties will be acquiring the parcels for different uses.

Russ_Boston 01-26-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 615508)
So my conclusion is that I don't see the expansion possible in Sumter Co. and I've heard many times that TV will not build any more homes in Lake Co. for whatever their reason is.

I remember hearing that Lake County would not allow it. But yes there are many thousands of acres to the east of the power lines in Lake County that are currently for sale. Who knows, maybe someday Lake will realize all the tax revenue they get yet not have to provide schools? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

spk7951 01-26-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspinkard (Post 615498)
I am very interested in any information people on TOTV might have on this subject because I built a house about nine months ago in the village of St. James that is nearby to what I believe is the land in question. I love the location but especially like it because I get to sit out on my lanai at night and listen to the cows baying/mooing. Just wanted to prepare myself for not having my baying/mooing "buddies" around anymore. Maybe my neighbors would pick up the slack?


While there has been a For Sale sign on that property for some time it was approved, last year, by Wildwood for commercial and business use. Trailwinds Village info can be found starting on page 75 of the link below:
http://www.wildwood-fl.gov/vertical/..._-_255_pgs.pdf

keithwand 01-26-2013 01:47 PM

I have it on good authority that it will be a nuclear energy plant and not a Macys across from the library.
My friend "Mr. Potter" is willing to pay pennies on the dollars to those wishing to sell.
How's that for a rumor?

NotGolfer 01-26-2013 01:59 PM

Again....at The Village's annual meeting in the Savannah Center, last year, Mark Morse told the audience not to believe rumors! He said believe it when you hear it from me! He said too many are generated and they come from "I heard somewhere that....." So as Gracie said "welcome to TOTV"!!! :-)

Cisco Kid 01-26-2013 02:16 PM

Sounds like a cover up.
:censored:

mmatcg 01-26-2013 02:17 PM

New commercial off 466a helping or bothering?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marianne237 (Post 615540)
We have a home on the west end of Poinciana and enjoyed sitting in our lanai in the evenings listening to the cows and coyotes howling. The land was open and the sunsets just beautiful.....then St. James was built and the golf course and no more quiet evenings, but new neighbors who are delightful. Enjoy what you have now, and look forward to enjoying what comes next.

In one way, i am sure that new commercials will alleviate a lot of pressure Colony Plaza faces.

In another way, people enjoy open space, wild life, and privacy.
Not sure which way to go. :confused:

Cisco Kid 01-26-2013 02:17 PM

Mall of America II maybe
:thumbup:

Grannynance 01-26-2013 08:31 PM

Making 462 to 301 a four lane is old news that was floated by mayor Wolfe (of wildwood) his thought was that some of the housing developer on 462 should share the expense. Where do you think that went? Like Larry the cable man said ( get her done)

JP 01-26-2013 11:23 PM

Interesting

Jasper1963 02-05-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDave (Post 615505)
Good morning fellow rumor mongers! Don't you just love it. (I don't know why some folks here don't want rumors posted. We wouldn't have anything to talk about it they weren't, lol)

First, I agree with Gracie, despite all my questioning of EVERYTHING, there is nothing wrong with the growth this company is doing as long as they handle it well; and handling it well is judged by sales, and the satisfaction of existing owners. (btw, Gracie, what are you doing posting at 3 in the morning girl?) Someone complained, I think in another thread that TV kept building, but wasn't building any new golf courses. Perhaps I'm missing something but to my eye it seems they are building lots of new courses south of 466A. There seem to be more pools, rec centers, etc, especially compared to north of 466.

As to rumors, let me point out something from the world we all love so much, politics. Trial balloons are a staple of politics. You spread a rumor just to see how it flies. After much research you'll see that many, if not most political rumors are started either by the party involved for the trial balloon purpose, or unfortunately the other side just to do damage. I wouldn't see how the developer would benefit from the latter.

So much of what you hear may be rooted in fact, at least in the early planning stages. It doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. I know we all want Macy's, etc. However, we suffer from an unusual problem, we are the wrong demographic for many stores. Clothing is bought mostly by my 19 year old daughter. (I don't mean all 19 year olds, I mean mine specifically is buying most of the clothes in the country!!!) We cannot offer that to them. They not only sell most of their clothes to younger people, they can get away with higher markups on trendy brands. Say one thing for us old folks, we know how to look at a price tag. And I don't know this for sure, but I remember someone saying TV insists on owning the land and just leasing it to these kind of businesses. Someone said that's why Walmart if so far west, because they wouldn't agree to this. Honestly I don't know if it's true, but it would certainly disuade some companies.

Also, someone mentioned the 900 acre rumor. Several days ago no one could prove that TV was NOT done expanding. We had a great thread about moving south of Lake Deaton. Just rumors. Within three days it was announced that TV had bought new land next to the lake and were building 350 new homes. So, whether trial balloons or leaked info, rumor almost always has some level of fact behind it.

As to the 900 acres across from the library. 900 acres would be around 1 mile by 1.5 miles. In looking at that field via Google Maps, it is no where near that big. Maybe 120 acres. Of course the 900 acres wouldn't have to be all in one piece. The only continuous spot I see, within Sumter County, near the southern expansion is between 44 and the turnpike and between 468 and the Lake County line. On Google it is mostly just woodlands. Of course these pictures are sometimes a couple of years old. This one shows housing being built almost to the north edge of Lake Deaton, and road building to and around Brownwood, but no building construction. So, it's probably between one and two years old.

So we can continue to watch, listen and speculate. I frankly don't mind it, because this affects all of us, residents, snow.... and wantabes alike.

The rumored 900 acres begin approximately across from The Shell Station and headed towards Fruitland Park Post Office

Jasper1963 02-05-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 615628)
Again....at The Village's annual meeting in the Savannah Center, last year, Mark Morse told the audience not to believe rumors! He said believe it when you hear it from me! He said too many are generated and they come from "I heard somewhere that....." So as Gracie said "welcome to TOTV"!!! :-)

In my 45 plus years of working in the Aerospace Business rumors are about 90% true.
We would just wait for confirmation from the brass.

dengid 02-05-2013 04:22 PM

I've noticed multiple for sale signs on 466A just east of the shell station on the south side of the road offering a 978 acre parcel

Russ_Boston 02-05-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dengid (Post 621181)
I've noticed multiple for sale signs on 466A just east of the shell station on the south side of the road offering a 978 acre parcel

I think this is Lake County and as mentioned I'm not sure TV can build anymore in Lake.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:27 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.