Golf Manners
 

We recently played an executive course and one person in our foursome was a last minute cancel. They had a single join us as is expected.

The problem was this guy immediately lit a very stinky cigar. The scent sent my wife into an immediate nausea attack. She quit playing after a couple of holes and tried to keep her golf car away from the odor.

I think if you are a single being placed with a threesome it would be common courtesy to ask if any one would be offended or allergic to cigar smoke.

Be prepared to be told here how "sophisticated" and "fragrant" they are, and that you're the one who's lacking in manners for saying they stink. But many of us agree with you wholeheartedly.

Too bad she didn't barf on his shoes!! :clap2:

I hope I would have the courage to say the smell was bothering me and that I'm allergic......but I probably would have just turned around and left the course. Another example of a bully getting his/her way. So very rude.

How about this for the survey.....NO SMOKING, of ANY kind on the golf course!!

I usually try to engage my graciousness, but never when it comes to cigars. These borish cigar smokers are not unaware of how the rest of us hate them....they just don't respect us as much as we try to respect them. No more...the law is on our side.

This is an easy fix!!! Call The Village Ladies that are heavily armed with squirt guns and Super Soakers to take care of this problem.

Seriously, the rudeness and bad behavior this year is in epic proportions!!

i'm just guessing,but was he a renter? they sometimes forget to leave their bad manners and attitudes at home.

Blasted renters. No FROG would ever do anything like that.

BUT......did this stinky smoker keep the pace of play? ;)

stinky cigar
 

oh, get over it already, you're outside!

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Smoking on the Golf Courses !!!
 

Is smoking allowed on the golf courses? What do you do with the cigarette butts? This issue was not addressed at the Good Golf School held at Colony.
Janet

Actually, it was mentioned at the class I attended. The presenter said don't litter the course. Take your butts home with you. Pretty simple.

Smokers are supposed to take their butts home with them, but you'll see them littering the course - the cigarette butts not the smoker's butts.

I smoke maybe 1 cigar a week but not on the golf course. I think that cigars smell much better than cigarettes and I see lots of cigarette butts on the course but have never seen a cigar butt. Regardless, it outside and smokers already have enough restrictions.

Most smokers I know are VERY considerate of others and would have extinguished the cigar immediately, IF you would have told them you [or your wife] are allergic.

Did you inform this person of your allergy or just vent on TOTV ????

By the way...it is not bad manners to smoke on the golf course; cigars or otherwise. Leaving butts all over the place is not OK though.

Get over it, you're outside?????? Really???? As someone who is very allergic, I would hope I don't have to use my epi pen when I'm outside, but the cigar smole would do it to me. Now I know he/she has the right to smoke a cigar but at the very least they could have asked. There are certain things that are serious triggers for allergies and cigar smoke is one of them just like peanut butter, hence no peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch at school anymore.

Gracie - I was not there to witness, but am assuming that he did keep pace because one of the ladies in the group was almost passing out with the stench :yuck:

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You must be playing on different courses than me. I have often noticed cigar butts on the course.

Discarding the Butts
 

IMHO, The butts are as offensive as the smoke. I see butts all over the golf course especially at the tee boxes. Why is it okay to drop them all over the ground? They wouldn't do this at their own homes. Some people place them on the yardage markers but why not keep them in their carts. Use an ashtray like you would at home. This drives me crazy! :cus:

I Saw a cigar but at a tee box on Tarpon Boil yesterday. Yuck.

Open season on smokers. That should make the gun folks happy.

Guess so.

You are correct that the he/she has the right to smoke, they don't have to ask permission but it would be nice. If not, they could try to stay downwind. I just hope he/she doesn't start eating a PB&J sandwich out there. The poster that said get over it was out of line.

What gets me sick on the course (besides a bad game) is woman's perfume. Way worse than cigars! P.U.!

JoeC, I agree about the perfume....and yes, I'm a woman. Played with a friend today and two very nice guys, had fun...no cigars, no PB and J, no perfume. Great day!

Okay. So... the deal here was that this person was added to the group as a substitute. It seems to me that it's up to him to ask permission to light up, and not to the OP's wife to tell him not to. He's the add-on. Obviously he wouldn't know if smoke would be bothersome to anyone in the group, and it's just plain arrogant, given today's public knowledge about the dangers of second-hand smoke, to light up around a group of people you don't know. Go smoke with your own smoking buddies.

In fact, in today's world it should never be the person with the allergies or dislike of second-hand smoke who bears the responsibility to ask a person to stop smoking around him or her. Anyone ignorant enough to light up around a group of people he doesn't know is either oblivious or arrogant.

The standard today is that the majority of the population doesn't smoke. The minority should not light up around them. I'm astounded at what this guy did.

I don't think he had any less right to light up because he was a "substitute".

Any less RIGHT??? probably not, but wouldn't it just be common courtesy if you're joining a group?

I really disagree with you on this one. He is in the minority as far as the percentage of smoking population. The scientific proof is there as to the health dangers of second-hand smoke. Plus he has been added in to a group whose habits or preferences he does not know. To light up in those circumstances is... like I said, he's either ignorant or arrogant.

He needs to ask permission, not put everyone else in the uncomfortable position of having to ask him to stop. It's common sense.

I agree. I am a cigar smoker but would always ask those I play with, if they don't mind. If the answer is no, it should be respected.

I have damaged lungs, I would have asked him to please do not smoke because of this reason. If he lit up anyway, I would have just left the course, it's free and I'll play another day.

IMHO some womens perfumes are LOTS worse than cigar smoke and the ones that wear the stuff that can gag a maggot put it on by the bucketful.

My point is that smoking is allowed on the golf course and a person doesn't "NEED" to ask anyone's permission but it would be nice.

I agree some of the perfumes are awful and overpowering --- you can always put the cigar out - but the perfume ??????

I thought of that too. I play pickleball with some people who wear perfume, and as they start perspiring it... well, never mind. Let's just say perfume should be banned from all sports.

Actually, I wouldn't mind if perfume were banned period. And I'm a girly-girl.

Indeed, some perfumes on older women here should have been thrown in the trash in 1958.

But compared to cigar smoke, at least perfume is a clean, sanitary liquid (mostly alcohol) when it comes out of the bottle. It's not full of smoke that carries pollutants that leave nicotine and tar on things and people that then stink and form carcinogens coating everything:

"......Nicotine in third-hand smoke, the residue from tobacco smoke that clings to virtually all surfaces long after a cigarette has been extinguished, reacts with the common indoor air pollutant nitrous acid to produce dangerous carcinogens. This new potential health hazard was revealed in a multi-institutional study led by researchers with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab).

In tests at Berkeley Lab of cellulose surfaces contaminated with nicotine residues from third-hand smoke, levels of newly formed TSNAs rose 10 times following a three hour exposure to nitrous acid. TSNAs are potent carcinogens. (Photo by Roy Kaltschmidt, Berkeley Lab Public Affairs)
“The burning of tobacco releases nicotine in the form of a vapor that adsorbs strongly onto indoor surfaces, such as walls, floors, carpeting, drapes and furniture. Nicotine can persist on those materials for days, weeks and even months. Our study shows that when this residual nicotine reacts with ambient nitrous acid it forms carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines or TSNAs,” says Hugo Destaillats, a chemist with the Indoor Environment Department of Berkeley Lab’s Environmental Energy Technologies Division. “TSNAs are among the most broadly acting and potent carcinogens present in unburned tobacco and tobacco smoke.”

Destaillats is the corresponding author of a paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) titled “Formation of carcinogens indoors by surface-mediated reactions of nicotine with nitrous acid, leading to potential third-hand smoke hazards.”......

...Since the most likely human exposure to these TSNAs is through either inhalation of dust or the contact of skin with carpet or clothes, third-hand smoke would seem to pose the greatest hazard to infants and toddlers. The study’s findings indicate that opening a window or deploying a fan to ventilate the room while a cigarette burns does not eliminate the hazard of third-hand smoke. Smoking outdoors is not much of an improvement, as co-author Gundel explains......."

Study reveals dangers of nicotine in third-hand smoke « Berkeley Lab News Center