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5 food groups or 4 food groups?
On the front page of section C (local) in The Daily Sun, there's a column with the following heading: "Increase your fruits, vegetables with MyPlate"
The column lists 5 food groups: Fruit Vegetables Grains Protein Dairy My question: Why is "dairy" listed as a separate group when it's clearly a protein? By law, the dairy industry is not even allowed to say that dairy helps build strong bones. But the U.S.D.A gives it the status of a separate food group as though it's something special. |
Milk isn't composed of only protein....there are carbs and some fat.
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Every man knows that there are only FOUR basic food groups:
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Dairy is a protein, but it also contains calcium, some that are fortified with vitamin D. This helps with the maintenance of bones and teeth, and also helps prevent osteoporosis.
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I would like to think of my cheesecake loaded with calcium, but...
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If it could be proved to be good for bones, the dairy industry would make this claim on every dairy product in the supermarket. I suggest that you go to the suppermarket and see for yourself. If you can find any dairy product that says, "helps build (or maintain) strong bones", let me know. |
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There are four basic food groups, all contained in Irish Coffee. Alcohol, caffeine, sugar, and fat. Be healthy today! |
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I believe dairy also contains cheese. Dairy food group contains milk, cheese, yogurt, milk-based desserts, and soy-milk. That's a bit different than the meat/protein group.
See here What Is Dairy? - Food Groups - ChooseMyPlate.gov - USDA "All foods made from meat, poultry, seafood, beans and peas, eggs, processed soy products, nuts, and seeds are considered part of the Protein Foods Group. Beans and peas are also part of the Vegetable Group." The above paragraph is from that site. I agree it's very confusing. |
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Strong bones and healthy teeth need calcium..........and phosporous....etc.
Dairy is a rich source of calcium but so is plant food.......... What Type Of Vitamin Is Needed With Calcium To Promote Strong Bones & Teeth? | LIVESTRONG.COM How To Regulate Calcium And Phosphorus Ratio | LIVESTRONG.COM Calcium in diet: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia |
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Her entire life, she practically lived on YOGHURT and MILK.......was always thin and petite. Her doctor, a neighbor of ours, who had administered a full physical at about age 89 (at the hospital after she had been put on *Aricept for her Alzheimers, which is another story, having nothing to do with strong bones)....... *One of the side effects of Aricept is dizziness when standing up, loss of appetite, etc........that's what she was being tested for.....(the dizziness upon standing)....with various hospital tests....... Her doctor said that for her age, she had excellent LUNGS, BONES, HEART, and general overall good health.......he was an internist and a neighbor of ours.....so he called me after the battery of tests was completed. I knew her bones were strong. Her geriatric doctor echoed the same thing. Just her short term memory was failing........as we all knew. Also, throughout her life, well into her late 80's.....she walked all over without a cane, walking device or anything..........and often mentioned she had fallen on the ice or snow. Never broke a single bone in her life. Never had a hip replacement or knee replacement. Again, she lived on YOGHURT and milk from childhood and all through her adult life............ate a lot of dairy on a daily basis. I've read of Russians, Georgians, etc. and other such ethnic groups who also lived long lives eating dairy products............milk and yoghurt, cheeses, etc. My Italian grandmother also lived to 95 and ate cheeses her entire life; was able to walk up and down five flights of steps in her apartment building until age 90......and walked down the street to attend daily morning mass, again up to age 90....with no cane or walker. After that, the priest came to her and she died at 95 with all her "marbles". She never got Alzheimers........Italians sure eat their share of ricotta cheese and mozarella..........dairy. I know you consider these "anecdotes" but they are TRUE FACTS. I think each person should be looked at individually; also look back at their family history..........as far as whether dairy is good or not. I wouldn't put so much stock in the dairy "industry" as far as their marketing and advertising. Do your own personal survey on how many people eat dairy and how many have strong bones well into their elder years. |
I heard from a very unreliable source that the tooth fairy is laying for ya, VillagesPl, trying to discourage people from drinking milk at all....
The American Dental Association seems to think milk and cheese build nice jaw bones. http://freshbaby.com/healthy_eating/...hFairyTips.pdf |
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Never did she break a wrist, an arm, a leg, a hip......nor have hip replacement nor knee replacement surgeries. She didn't need a cane, a walker, etc..........or a scooter. She always had good bone health which was confirmed by her two doctors; one was in awe of her (he being the geriatric specialist) as was the other being the internist. I could chalk it up to good genetics but I do truly believe it was all that yoghurt she consumed daily. Read up on the Georgians and Russians who ate a lot of yoghurt, milk, cheese, etc. She never ate sweets nor desserts..........was raised on lots of vegetables and very little meat. I know women younger than myself who all have been diagnosed with osteopenia and osteoporosis...........but according to my mom's tests at age 89, she had no signs of either..........I still think it was the calcium. I know what she ate. However, since we all have to go from something...........she passed at 91 from end stage Alzheimers.........but her body was GREAT. She had lost her sense of smell quite a few years prior (and now it is considered one of the early symptoms).........she began forgetting appointments, etc., dates, etc...little things..........it lasted about a decade........while her physical health remained intact. It certainly is "The Long Goodbye".........but again, we all have to go from something........the first and second stage are not that bad.........but the end stage is not a pretty sight to behold. It really doesn't pay to dwell entirely on our health without enjoying each day we have to the fullest............as again, we could have wonderful physical health and yet get hit by a truck crossing the street.....or die from end stage Alzheimers.....which spares no intellect or gender. |
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How would you explain the strong bones anthropologists find that date back to the paleolithic age. How did they develop strong bones without dairy? |
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I can't explain what you are referring to; I'm not an anthropologist, however, my daughter and her husband were anthropology /education majors in college......I'll check with them when I see them. Here is what I just found.......for now: Various ages of life expectancy throughout the times..........see below... The median life expectancy has been estimated at ~35 years of age. This is about the life expectancy of the African Bushmen (Sans) of today. Due to their active lifestyle they suffered far more injuries that today's humans & wound infections would have killed many of them. Early mortality rates are also high among hunter gatherers as any genetic disease like diabetes was untreatable & fatal. We don't know that there isn't a causal relationship between the gradually lengthening human lifespans since the dawn of agriculture and a grains-based diet, but we do know that all but tropical humans were forced to eat a high fat & high meat diet during winter months. The Sans have had limited contact with the outside World & until very recently they lived as humans had in paleolithic times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expect… Humans by Era Average Lifespan at Birth (years) Comment Upper Paleolithic 33 At age 15: 39 (to age 54) Neolithic 20 Bronze Age and Iron Age 35+ Classical Greece 28 Classical Rome 28 Pre-Columbian North America 25-30 Medieval Islamic Caliphate 35+ Medieval Britain 30 Early Modern Britain 40+ Early 20th Century 30-45 Current world average 67.2 2010 est |
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Life expectancy is a separate issue because bones generally reach their peak of development somewhere around 19, or 20 years of age. |
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They didn't consume any processed foods, like soda, that would leach calcium from their bones. Today, as you said, strong bones can be maintained by being physically active and eating a good diet with lots of vegetables etc.. I would just add this: If strong bones are maintained with dairy included in the diet, I don't think it's because of dairy, I think it's inspite of dairy. |
WHFoods: Milk, goat
Did they have goats and goat milk? Or camels perhaps????? Interesting hyperlink above........ History Goats have played a role in food culture since time immemorial with ancient cave paintings showing the hunting of goats. They are also one of the oldest domesticated animals since the herding of goats is thought to have evolved about 10,000 years ago in the mountains of Iran. Goat milk and the cheese made from it were revered in ancient Egypt with some pharaohs supposedly having these foods placed among the other treasures in their burial chambers. Goat milk was also widely consumed by the ancient Greeks and Romans. Goat milk has remained popular throughout history and still is consumed on a more extensive basis worldwide than cow's milk. http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.2...gnify-clip.png Horn cores from the Neolithic village of Atlit Yam Goats are among the earliest animals domesticated by humans.[5] The most recent genetic analysis[6] confirms the archaeological evidence that the wild bezoar of the AnatolianZagros are the likely origin of almost all domestic goats today.[5] Neolithic farmers began to herd wild goats for easy access to milk and meat, primarily, as well as for their dung, which was used as fuel, and their bones, hair, and sinew for clothing, building, and tools.[1] The earliest remnants of domesticated goats dating 10,000 years before present are found in Ganj Dareh in Iran. Goat remains have been found at archaeological sites in Jericho, Choga Mami[7]Djeitun and Cayonu, dating the domestication of goats in western Asia at between 8,000 and 9,000 years ago.[5] Studies of DNA evidence suggests 10,000 years BP as the domestication date. [6] Historically, goat hide has been used for water and wine bottles in both traveling and transporting wine for sale. It has also been used to produce parchment |
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You mentioned you were going to ask a family member who has a degree in Anthropology. If you do, be sure you specify the Paleolithic era or any age before agriculture. To play it safe, I would suggest at least 15,000 years ago. If you go back to when people had goats, that wouldn't be far enough. I'm not sure how true it is but I once read in a Zone book that when ancient Egyptian mummies were studied, they found lots of tooth decay. And they think it was because they ate lots of grain. So it seems that agriculture may have brought with it a host of health issues. I'm not sure about it but it's something to think about. Perhaps it's okay to eat grain as long as you brush your teeth and get regular dental check ups. :D |
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I think milk or nutrition aside most of these average life expectancies would be many years higher if they had the improvement most of the current world enjoys with newborn survival rates. |
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Longevity/Health in Ancient Paleolithic vs. Neolithic Peoples Keep scrolling downward.........huge chart of life spans, etc. |
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I have often said that eating meat was probably good for hunter/gatherers because they needed a concentrated form of energy to expend on their active lifestyle, and they didn't have to worry as much as we do about developing degenerative diseases. The only reason I used the Paleolithic example was to prove that dairy is not needed to build strong bones. |
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A food group is a collection of foods that share similar nutritional properties or biological classifications. Nutrition guides typically divide foods into food groups and recommend daily servings of each group for a healthy diet. (Yes I have milked many cows both Grade A and Grade B ) I would really like to have a reference to the law mentioned above so I can review it. Milk has long been recognized as a source of calcium and it's the calcuim and other nutrients that help develope bones etc. I don't think they say it it is the only source of calcium nor that you must consume milk and dairy products to live a healthy life. Some studies as with most everything want to disprove that theory. There is not really enough information that we can know for sure what the hunters and gatherers did or did not do as far milk nor any of the other people from 10,0000 years ago or alot longer especially since they depended on wild animals and plants for food and drew pictures to communicate. We do accept that they were replaced after the invention of agriculture with people who kept animals as a source for food. This is a lot of information we covered in 7th grade Social Studies while I worked as a teacher's asssistant after retiring. The importance of calcium Calcium is a mineral that helps build strong bones and teeth, regulates muscle contraction (including the heartbeat) and makes sure the blood is clotting normally. Milk and dairy products have long been held as an important source of calcium. Other sources of calcium include: • Fish (with the bones - for example canned salmon and sardines) • Dried fruit • Sesame seeds • Almonds • Soya • Dark green leafy vegetables Research suggests that in addition to calcium, Vitamin D is important because it helps the body absorb and retain calcium in the bones, making them strong. Similarly, sufficient exercise is now seen as another vital factor in maintaining healthy bone structure and density - concerns have been voiced that a lack of excercise in growing children will have a detrimental effect on their bones. Calcium can continue strengthening your bones until the age of 20 to 25 when peak bone mass is reached. After this point, your bones can only maintain or lose their density and grow weaker as a natural part of the ageing process. Inadequate dietary calcium intake before this age can increase the risk of brittle bone disease and osteoporosis, as calcium is drawn from the bones as a reserve. This is directly from the LA times; The dairy debate: Does milk build stronger bones? Some scientists are questioning dairy products' effectiveness in helping prevent osteoporosis. March 07, 2005|Alice Lesch Kelly | Special to The Times Share Bones need calcium. Doctors, dietitians and researchers agree on this point. Here are a few other experts that agree on the need for calcium. The Four Food Groups Results from Everyday Health Dairy Food Group - Vital Health Zone Food Pyramid | Food Groups | Healthy Eating| Dietary Guidelines › MyPlate Until there are conclusive and proven studies to the contrary I will have to continue to accept that dairy products are an important part of nutrition. Even if it provided no calcium at all it would still be an almost perfect food compared to the rest: Here’s a brief look at what milk contains: Protein: Helps build and repair body tissues, including muscles and bones, and plays a role in the creation of antibodies which fight infection. Vitamin A: Aids bone and tooth development. Also aids in the maintenance of night vision and healthy skin. Vitamin B12: Aids in red blood cell formation. Vitamin B6: Factor in the conversion of food into energy and tissue formation, including bones. Riboflavin: Factor in the conversion of food into energy and tissue formation. Niacin: Aids in normal growth, and is a factor in the conversion of food into energy and tissue formation, including bones. Thiamine: Releases energy from carbohydrate and aids normal growth. Pantothenic acid: Factor in the conversion of food into energy and tissue formation, including bones. Folate: Aids in red blood cell formation. Vitamin D: Enhances calcium and phosphorus absorption, on which strong bones and teeth depend. Calcium: Aids in the formation and maintenance of strong bones and healthy teeth. Magnesium: Factor in bone and teeth health, conversion of food into energy and tissue formation. Phosphorus: Factor in the formation and maintenance of strong bones and healthy teeth. Potassium: Aids in the correct functioning of nerves and muscles. Zinc: Factor in tissue formation, including bones, and conversion of food into energy. Selenium: Factor in the correct functioning of the immune system, due to its antioxidant effect. |
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I've never milked a cow, but we sure do have a lot of them in Vermont. They used to say that Vermont had more cows than people once upon a time...........anyway, "great minds think alike" as far as dairy........we are a dairy state after all. Published in: THE OLD FARMERS ALMANAC 2013 * Dublin New Hampshire "Getting enough vitamins and minerals isn't hard. All you really need to do is eat a healthy diet. Build it around fruits and vegetables (eight to ten servings a day), wholegrain breads and cereals, beans, low fat poultry and meat, nonfried fish, milk, cheese and yoghurt." Here is what vitamins do and where they hide in your food: Vitamin A: Good for your eyesight, helps you see in the dark; helps fight infections and helps BONE GROWTH.......it is found in MILK, CHEESE, EGGS, LIVER, FISH OIL, YELLOW FRUITS, DARK GREEN AND YELLOW VEGGIES. B Vitamins: Help to make red blood cells and help make energy and release it. Found in whole grains (wheat and oats), fish and seafood, meat, poultry, eggs, DAIRY PRODUCTS, leafy green veggies, beans and peas, citrus fruits. Vitamin C: Keeps gums, muscles healthy; helps heal cuts; helps body resist infection. Found in citrus fruits, juices; berries, tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, potatoes, cauliflower, cantalupe. Vitamin D: Makes strong bones and teeth. FOUND IN MILK, EGG YOLKS, FISH. Vitamin E: Helps make red blood cells; keeps tissues in eyes, skin and liver healthy; protects lungs from pollution. Found in whole grains (wheat and oats), wheat germ, leafy green veggies, sardines, nuts, egg yolks. Vitamin K: Enables blood to clot. Found in green veggies, pork, liver, DAIRY PRODUCTS. |
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