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gomoho 04-19-2013 06:32 PM

Suspect #2 is surrounded
 
They have him down possibly in a boat in Watertown. He is alive; however, they have not approached for fear of a bomb. So relieved this terrorist will be off the streets tonight.

Patty55 04-19-2013 07:22 PM

Looks like it will be over soon. That must be one bunch of pizzed off cops. Hope they get him alive so someone can beat the crap out of him.

Mack184 04-19-2013 07:44 PM

Fox News reporting at 843pm that the creep has been caught and is now in custody.

Trish Miller 04-19-2013 07:47 PM

Thank god!!!!!!

janmcn 04-19-2013 07:47 PM

The Boston Globe is reporting that three suspects have been picked up for questioning in New Bedford, MA in relation to the marathon bombings. Don't know what that's about.

NBC News is reporting that the second suspect is in custody.

Thank you Boston Police Department, MA State Police, FBI and the other 30 agencies that worked to bring this search to its conclusion.

Mack184 04-19-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 662616)
Fuel up the plane and head to Gitmo!!

And while they're on their way..they can push him OUT of the plane during the trip.

Serenoa 04-19-2013 08:37 PM

Thankfully I feel certain that the authorities who now have him in custody are a little more civilized & humane than some of the tough-guy wannabe commenters here.

Hopefully through humane interrogation they can determine what the brother's motivation was & if there were possibly others involved. I'm so glad they were able to capture at least one of them alive.

pooh 04-19-2013 08:46 PM

Glad all is over....well, it's not totally over, but the young suspect is in custody!

This suspect was a student at UMass, Dartmouth. That's my alma mater. The people arrested in New Bedford ... one is said to be the suspect's girlfriend. Suspect was on campus Wednesday. New Bedford and Dartmouth are two cities next to each other. Takes a little over an hour to get to campus from the Boston area. Guess he did elude the dragnet for a while....then, he went back to the Boston area.....curious. Lots of questions, hope we get all the answers.

Thanks to all who helped in bringing these two into custody ....one alive, one deceased.

Happinow 04-19-2013 09:12 PM

True heroes
 
A big thank you to all of the heroes who put their lives on the line to being down the two Boston monsters. The firefighters, the EMS crews, the police and swat teams and the regular folks like you and me who came to the rescue of the injured. That day will never be forgotten. Everyone can get some much needed time with their families and rest. God Bless America!

DaleMN 04-19-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 662629)
Thankfully I feel certain that the authorities who now have him in custody are a little more civilized & humane than some of the tough-guy wannabe commenters here.

Hopefully through humane interrogation they can determine what the brother's motivation was & if there were possibly others involved. I'm so glad they were able to capture at least one of them alive.

:thumbup:

DonH57 04-19-2013 09:21 PM

I'm also extremely thankfull for the folks who with the combined efforts to piece together the intel to catch these thugs.

Mack184 04-19-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 662629)
Thankfully I feel certain that the authorities who now have him in custody are a little more civilized & humane than some of the tough-guy wannabe commenters here.

Hopefully through humane interrogation they can determine what the brother's motivation was & if there were possibly others involved. I'm so glad they were able to capture at least one of them alive.

I was wondering how long it would take before the nice squishy "Lets be nice to this evil waste product" comments would begin.

I don't care if they waterboard him, rip out his tonenails one by one or any other means they might have on hand. He showed no pity to the people who's lives he destroyed and he deserves no pity from us.

ugotme 04-19-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 662629)
Thankfully I feel certain that the authorities who now have him in custody are a little more civilized & humane than some of the tough-guy wannabe commenters here.

Hopefully through humane interrogation they can determine what the brother's motivation was & if there were possibly others involved. I'm so glad they were able to capture at least one of them alive.

Civilized . . . Humane?

Tell me, what is civilized and humane about bombing innocent children, women and men? Then throwing bombs out at the police?

Hope they get any info they can and then he "whoops" falls down many flights of stairs.

Give me a break!

Serenoa 04-19-2013 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 662662)
I was wondering how long it would take before the nice squishy "Lets be nice to this evil waste product" comments would begin.

I don't care if they waterboard him, rip out his tonenails one by one or any other means they might have on hand. He showed no pity to the people who's lives he destroyed and he deserves no pity from us.

Do that Mack, and I'm sorry to say you're no different than the terrorists. We're Americans, we're supposed to be better than that.

go ahead, sign me
"nice & squishy"

senior citizen 04-19-2013 10:19 PM

Can you imagine?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 662565)
They have him down possibly in a boat in Watertown. He is alive; however, they have not approached for fear of a bomb. So relieved this terrorist will be off the streets tonight.



A resident had gone outside to smoke and noticed a tarp on the boat was flapping, a relative told NBC News. When he went to investigate, he saw what looked like a curled-up person and bloody clothes.

The man "freaked out," ran into the house and called police, the relative said.
Thermal imaging from helicopters confirmed there was a person in the boat, officials said.

Over the course of two hours, several bursts of gunfire could be heard. The police threw flash-bang grenades designed to disorient and brought a negotiator to the scene as night fell.

Just before 9 p.m., the wounded Tsarnaev was taken into custody. "He sustained significant blood loss," a law enforcement official at the scene said.
As an ambulance took the suspect to Boston hospital where he is in critical condition having sustained severe blood loss from earlier gun fight.

p.s.
One major t.v. channel said that they will "not" read him his Miranda Rights, but instead will book him under some obscure terrorist law..........forget the name of it.
They will "give him a Koran" and "pray with him"...........this is what I heard on CBS News..........then they will try to find out WHO ELSE might be involved.

Just guessing that he would get the death sentence........eventually...........however, other terrorists are in the SUPER MAX PRISON in Florence Colorado.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...&printable=yes

Scroll down for list of prisoners "housed" in the Super Max Prison in Florence Colorado. ENLARGE THE JAIL CELL PHOTO by clicking on photo.

I thought they were kept in it for their entire term.......but it's only for the first year or so. They should think about it before they do the crime.




senior citizen 04-19-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 662662)
I was wondering how long it would take before the nice squishy "Lets be nice to this evil waste product" comments would begin.

I don't care if they waterboard him, rip out his tonenails one by one or any other means they might have on hand. He showed no pity to the people who's lives he destroyed and he deserves no pity from us.

For the innocent little six year old girl who now has no legs and her 8 year old brother who is dead.....even the below lodging would be too good....

ADX Florence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
DOMESTIC TERRORISTS LISTED AT BOTTOM OF THIS ARTICLE..........keep scrolling down.

File:ADX.CELL.DESIGN.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAN YOU IMAGINE??????????????

billethkid 04-19-2013 10:49 PM

We will be humane......we will make sure the needles are sterile when his earned lethal dose is administered.

Excellent job by all agencies involved in the pursuit.

It is easy too be tolerant, humane and squishy when one is distant with no emotional investment.

btk

Monkei 04-19-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleMN (Post 662653)
:thumbup:

I agree also

senior citizen 04-19-2013 11:05 PM

Marathon Bombing Victims - Boston.com

Boston Marathon Bombing Victim List

Not to mention the law enforcement guys who risked their lives , plus the Massachusetts Institute of Technology guard who lost his life........and all of the totally exhausted Boston "crew" who have been working non stop to apprehend the terrorists........

Monkei 04-19-2013 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 662662)
I was wondering how long it would take before the nice squishy "Lets be nice to this evil waste product" comments would begin.

I don't care if they waterboard him, rip out his tonenails one by one or any other means they might have on hand. He showed no pity to the people who's lives he destroyed and he deserves no pity from us.

Yes after all for as much as we like to think this country operates to a certain high level of laws and compassion our history is rich in just the opposite. Why change now?

mulligan 04-20-2013 06:01 AM

It's God's job to judge the terrorists. It's our job to arrange the meeting.

graciegirl 04-20-2013 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 662610)
The Boston Globe is reporting that three suspects have been picked up for questioning in New Bedford, MA in relation to the marathon bombings. Don't know what that's about.

NBC News is reporting that the second suspect is in custody.

Thank you Boston Police Department, MA State Police, FBI and the other 30 agencies that worked to bring this search to its conclusion.

Many join you in pride of your home state and particularly in the people of Boston who were asked to stay inside and did and the government for shutting things down. This event was unprecedented and much honor goes to the folks in the area for following the rules and helping the authorities apprehend this man. I may name my next pet Fenway.

No matter where we are from we have to lift our glasses to Boston on this day.

If only I could understand how anyone could plan such a horrible thing? If only we who care could fix the lives of those who have had them forever changed.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 662629)
Thankfully I feel certain that the authorities who now have him in custody are a little more civilized & humane than some of the tough-guy wannabe commenters here.

Hopefully through humane interrogation they can determine what the brother's motivation was & if there were possibly others involved. I'm so glad they were able to capture at least one of them alive.

I agree. I do not believe that torture results in any kind of solid results and it puts the actor of this kind of behavior in the same or similar category as the people whose values we have been fighting against for so long.

It is important to find out if this was just two lone wolves or a terrorist cell which might have other plans.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/an_...ss_of_torture/


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George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Thomas Paine all supported the fair and decent treatment of even our enemies. Both the Redcoats and Hessian mercenaries were treated with decency and respect. Our Founding Fathers did this even though more American soldiers died as prisoners than died on the field of battle. They knew that American ideals meant something, and that fair and decent treatment was not only the right thing to do but the practical thing to do (many Hessian mercenaries stayed here and became loyal American citizens, for instance). Surely we can learn something from the wisdom of our Founding Fathers.

gomoho 04-20-2013 08:20 AM

It is important to find out if this were just two lone wolves or a terrorist cell which might have other plans

And what if we need to waterboard the SOB to get the information - I have to say I am in the camp to do what is needed to get the information needed. Playing the "nice guy" isn't working so well and it's time to get serious about stopping these attacks. Will the possibility of torture stop someone from doing this? probably not, but if it provides the information we are looking for so be it. This is a young, scared kid that would probably spill his guts when the going gets tough. Just one person's opinion.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 662851)
It is important to find out if this was just two lone wolves or a terrorist cell which might have other plans.

And what if we need to waterboard the SOB to get the information - I have to say I am in the camp to do what is needed to get the information needed. Playing the "nice guy" isn't working so well and it's time to get serious about stopping these attacks. Will the possibility of torture stop someone from doing this? probably not, but if it provides the information we are looking for so be it. This is a young, scared kid that would probably spill his guts when the going gets tough. Just one person's opinion.

Maybe, maybe not with respect to using torture to get information from this 19 year old. The studies I have looked at show that subjects will say anything to stop the violence being done to them. http://www.debate.org/torture/

zonerboy 04-20-2013 09:41 AM

Treatment of suspect #2
 
First. Humanely treat his injuries to ensure his survival.

Second. Interrogate him to determine certain vital information, such as the identities of any accomplices and/or support groups.

Third. Subject him to principles of Justice for his crimes. Islamic style justice would be appropriate, with public stoning as the end result!

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 662912)
First. Humanely treat his injuries to ensure his survival.

Second. Interrogate him to determine certain vital information, such as the identities of any accomplices and/or support groups.

Third. Subject him to principles of Justice for his crimes. Islamic style justice would be appropriate, with public stoning as the end result!

And what would you say if our enemies used the same kind of "justice" against us? Stoned someone they caught who had ordered the use of drones that ended up killing mainly civilians. Should we have adopted the Nazi atrocities to fight the Nazis?

Mack184 04-20-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenoa (Post 662672)
Do that Mack, and I'm sorry to say you're no different than the terrorists. We're Americans, we're supposed to be better than that.

go ahead, sign me
"nice & squishy"

No! Wrong!! We did not murder and maim innocents in a cowardly way. If we beat the holy hell out of this piece of sewage, we'll do it face to face and man to man.

This scum deserves no kindness of any sort. Those who think he didn't get enough hugs, or that mommy wouldn't make him pancakes and because of that he deserves some sort of "humane" treatment spit in the face of all of those who this creep killed or maimed.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 663021)
No! Wrong!! We did not murder and maim innocents in a cowardly way. If we beat the holy hell out of this piece of sewage, we'll do it face to face and man to man.

This scum deserves no kindness of any sort. Those who think he didn't get enough hugs, or that mommy wouldn't make him pancakes and because of that he deserves some sort of "humane" treatment spit in the face of all of those who this creep killed or maimed.

That's very insulting. :cus:

gomoho 04-20-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 663022)
That's very insulting. :cus:

Sorry if you find it insulting, but it is true. He put that bomb down next to 2 children with the intent of killing or at least maiming them - why should he deserve kindness of any kind?

AriaGrandparents2013 04-20-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 662912)
First. Humanely treat his injuries to ensure his survival.

Second. Interrogate him to determine certain vital information, such as the identities of any accomplices and/or support groups.

Third. Subject him to principles of Justice for his crimes. Islamic style justice would be appropriate, with public stoning as the end result!

I agree with your Points One, Two, and Your Third point up to the point of subjecting the suspect to the principles of Justice for his crimes. We are the United States of America and our forms of Justice should be applied. With that said Capital Punishment would be an appropriate punishment for this sorry individual.

Currently living in Massachusetts in the Town where Suspect 2 (white cap) attends college (college is approximately 5 miles from my home) and though the manhunt was taking place in Watertown, located 50 miles north, I felt a certain amount of apprehension. This was further elevated by the fact that the University was evacuated and 3 individuals in neighboring New Bedford was taken away for questioning.

I sat glued to the TV and as the day passed into early evening and the suspect was still not apprehended I felt less and less safe and secure, as I wondered could this suspect be returning to the University to seek shelter or worst plan further attacks. Was there a faction of co-conspirators at the University that would assist him?

My point is that this sort of thing does NOT happen in the USA nonetheless in my neighborhood....!!! I felt less safe and vulnerable and wondered how could this Suspect avoid capture with the amount of Police looking for him.

Boy....did I feel a sense of tremendous relief when he was captured and this nightmare was finally over. Kudos to the law enforcement agencies who participated in the capture of these individuals.

I now hope we will learn why they committed these senseless acts.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 663034)
Sorry if you find it insulting, but it is true. He put that bomb down next to 2 children with the intent of killing or at least maiming them - why should he deserve kindness of any kind?

Who said anything about kindness? He should get a fair trial based upon what is in the US Constitution as well as the Massachusetts Constitution. And be treated like those documents promise. These principles are what set us apart from other countries of the present and past who do not follow such legalities. http://www.malegislature.gov/laws/constitution

Mack184 04-20-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 663108)
Who said anything about kindness? He should get a fair trial based upon what is in the US Constitution as well as the Massachusetts Constitution. And be treated like those documents promise. These principles are what set us apart from other countries of the present and past who do not follow such legalities.

He is an enemy combatant and should face a military firing squad. He is not entitled to any "rights" of any kind. He's not a civil criminal, he's a terrorist.

I fully expected the usual "squishy people" to surface and tell us how this evil creep deserves his "rights" and how we need to treat him humanely & give him a hug. I am guessing the people who's lives he ended & ruined in Boston wouldn't think too much about his "rights".

gomoho 04-20-2013 01:46 PM

Agreed - this was not a crime - it was a terrorist attack and should be treated as such. Doesn't deserve any civil liberties that come with being a citizen. He is an enemy combatant and should face the military courts and punishment.

The war on terror is "alive and well" in our country and maybe we need to tweek the rules accordingly and not worry about what other countries think of us. Trust me they don't afford the same rights and priviledges to our prisoners of war.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriaGrandparents2013 (Post 663060)
I agree with your Points One, Two, and Your Third point up to the point of subjecting the suspect to the principles of Justice for his crimes. We are the United States of America and our forms of Justice should be applied. With that said Capital Punishment would be an appropriate punishment for this sorry individual.

Currently living in Massachusetts in the Town where Suspect 2 (white cap) attends college (college is approximately 5 miles from my home) and though the manhunt was taking place in Watertown, located 50 miles north, I felt a certain amount of apprehension. This was further elevated by the fact that the University was evacuated and 3 individuals in neighboring New Bedford was taken away for questioning.

I sat glued to the TV and as the day passed into early evening and the suspect was still not apprehended I felt less and less safe and secure, as I wondered could this suspect be returning to the University to seek shelter or worst plan further attacks. Was there a faction of co-conspirators at the University that would assist him?

My point is that this sort of thing does NOT happen in the USA nonetheless in my neighborhood....!!! I felt less safe and vulnerable and wondered how could this Suspect avoid capture with the amount of Police looking for him.

Boy....did I feel a sense of tremendous relief when he was captured and this nightmare was finally over. Kudos to the law enforcement agencies who participated in the capture of these individuals.

I now hope we will learn why they committed these senseless acts.

Good to hear from someone who had a very close connection to this tragedy.

Do you expect that the Federal Government will step in and try the second suspect? Massachusetts Law About the Death Penalty

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93I0GQ20130420

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93J0F420130420

raynan 04-20-2013 02:14 PM

I agree about him being tried by the Fed Gov. MA does not have the death penalty after we are sure there are no more connected to this in any way. I think there needs to be a lot of questions on how Suspect #1 was cleared 2 years ago after we were warned by the Russians no less. We all have to become vigilant as to our surroundings like the people in England. I am afraid we've become a little complacent.
On another note, my brother-in-law was in the ambulance that was on stand-by to take him and went off after a double shift at 8pm and his replacements took him to the hospital. He arrived home just as it was announced at @8:30 that they had him. My cousins and several friends were all "sheltering in place".

zonerboy 04-20-2013 03:11 PM

Suspect number 2 claims on his Facebook page that his "world view" is Islam. So I don't know why he would object to having justice applied to his case under Islamic or Sharia law. Only seems fair.

Taltarzac725 04-20-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 663203)
Suspect number 2 claims on his Facebook page that his "world view" is Islam. So I don't know why he would object to having justice applied to his case under Islamic or Sharia law. Only seems fair.

Except that in HIS interpretation of Islam (all there are now are interpretations of a religion unless it is one whose leader lives now) he should be praised for doing the will of God. Islam is a very old and very complicated religion. I sincerely doubt if terrorists have a monopoly on the "correct" interpretation of it. It seems more like these brothers were radicalized through various militant Al Qaeda sponsored or with some kind of connections to this group websites.

Mack184 04-20-2013 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 663203)
Suspect number 2 claims on his Facebook page that his "world view" is Islam. So I don't know why he would object to having justice applied to his case under Islamic or Sharia law. Only seems fair.

Unfortunately if you do it that way, creep boy gets a free pass because he was waging jihad against the infidels. Better that they cops had just shot him out from under his wig when they had the chance. Now we have to go through all the wrangling and listen to the whiners who think that creep boy has "rights" or needs to be treated "humanely" or other such bunk.

gomoho 04-20-2013 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 663287)
Unfortunately if you do it that way, creep boy gets a free pass because he was waging jihad against the infidels. Better that they cops had just shot him out from under his wig when they had the chance. Now we have to go through all the wrangling and listen to the whiners who think that creep boy has "rights" or needs to be treated "humanely" or other such bunk.

Except he may be able and willing to provide valuable information - wouldn't want to risk losing that by shooting him.


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