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buggyone 04-25-2013 11:07 AM
Phyllis Schlafly's column 4/25
 
I got a laugh out of Phyllis' column in the Daily Sun this morning. She actually said that the Tsarnaev family should not been admitted entry to the USA based on the name of their son, Tamerlan.

The "original" Tamerlan was a 14th century warlord whose armies killed millions of people.

Based on her logic, we should never admit a family to the USA if they have a relative named Adolf or Josef (Hitler or Stalin); and conversely should admit all families who have a family member named Jesus (very popular Hispanic name).

Phyllis is going on 89 years old and statements like that makes it look like the years have taken their toll on her.

janmcn 04-25-2013 11:18 AM
Just wondering what other newspaper in the country, besides The Daily Sun, carries this woman's column?

buggyone 04-25-2013 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 666196)
Just wondering what other newspaper in the country, besides The Daily Sun, carries this woman's column?
Well, according to Google on the Internet - there are about 100 newspapers that carry the column.

If it is on the Internet, it has to be true! uhh, bon jour.

DaleMN 04-25-2013 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 666192)
I got a laugh out of Phyllis' column in the Daily Sun this morning. She actually said that the Tsarnaev family should not been admitted entry to the USA based on the name of their son, Tamerlan.

The "original" Tamerlan was a 14th century warlord whose armies killed millions of people.

Based on her logic, we should never admit a family to the USA if they have a relative named Adolf or Josef (Hitler or Stalin); and conversely should admit all families who have a family member named Jesus (very popular Hispanic name).

Phyllis is going on 89 years old and statements like that makes it look like the years have taken their toll on her.
You're probably too kind. :ohdear:

graciegirl 04-25-2013 12:14 PM
What newspaper or network news is totally unslanted?
 
I changed my mind. I never read editorials, ANYONES. I just don't.

But I read this one.

The part about the name really wasn't laughable. I didn't agree with everything........

blueash 04-25-2013 01:49 PM
You know ageism is as offensive to some as any other form of prejudice. If her views are repugnant it is not because she is 89, it is because of her views. Jimmy Carter is 88 and by the way looked great and spoke well today at the opening of the Bush library.

graciegirl 04-25-2013 02:29 PM
What I am hearing on the news is really making me feel much more troubled about this whole issue. I try to be open minded, but .....

rubicon 04-25-2013 04:00 PM
Tamerian the war lord also made his mark by building pyramids of the skulls of those he vanquished...........

senior citizen 04-25-2013 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 666192)
I got a laugh out of Phyllis' column in the Daily Sun this morning. She actually said that the Tsarnaev family should not been admitted entry to the USA based on the name of their son, Tamerlan.

The "original" Tamerlan was a 14th century warlord whose armies killed millions of people.

Based on her logic, we should never admit a family to the USA if they have a relative named Adolf or Josef (Hitler or Stalin); and conversely should admit all families who have a family member named Jesus (very popular Hispanic name).

Phyllis is going on 89 years old and statements like that makes it look like the years have taken their toll on her.
If the parents knew that the name was the same as a 14th century war lord, why on earth did they name a newborn baby that....knowing he'd be saddled with that name for the rest of his life.

It's like naming a baby Attilla the Hun or Ghengis Khan.....

Joseph or Josef is a very common name in various naming traditions and was the Blessed Virgin Mary's spouse...........so no one really thinks of Stalin when one is named Joe or Joseph..........but Tamerlan?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-...comm_ref=false


Brian Glyn Williams: Thoughts on the 'Jihadification' of Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Last paragraph explains the name of the elder brother.............plus the name of the younger brother..........very very interesting.

manaboutown 04-25-2013 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 666354)
If the parents knew that the name was the same as a 14th century war lord, why on earth did they name a newborn baby that....knowing he'd be saddled with that name for the rest of his life.

It's like naming a baby Attilla the Hun or Ghengis Khan.....

Joseph or Josef is a very common name in various naming traditions and was the Blessed Virgin Mary's spouse...........so no one really thinks of Stalin when one is named Joe or Joseph..........but Tamerlan?

Brian Glyn Williams: Thoughts on the 'Jihadification' of Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev


Brian Glyn Williams: Thoughts on the 'Jihadification' of Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Last paragraph explains the name of the elder brother.............plus the name of the younger brother..........very very interesting.
Or they could have named him Vlad the Impaler or Vladimir Lenin.

graciegirl 04-25-2013 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 666354)
If the parents knew that the name was the same as a 14th century war lord, why on earth did they name a newborn baby that....knowing he'd be saddled with that name for the rest of his life.

It's like naming a baby Attilla the Hun or Ghengis Khan.....

Joseph or Josef is a very common name in various naming traditions and was the Blessed Virgin Mary's spouse...........so no one really thinks of Stalin when one is named Joe or Joseph..........but Tamerlan?

Brian Glyn Williams: Thoughts on the 'Jihadification' of Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev


Brian Glyn Williams: Thoughts on the 'Jihadification' of Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Last paragraph explains the name of the elder brother.............plus the name of the younger brother..........very very interesting.
The link was very interesting, Senior.

manaboutown 04-25-2013 05:24 PM
She certainly has an impressive curriculum vitae, that's for sure!

Phyllis Schlafly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Villages PL 04-25-2013 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 666192)
I got a laugh out of Phyllis' column in the Daily Sun this morning. She actually said that the Tsarnaev family should not been admitted entry to the USA based on the name of their son, Tamerlan.

The "original" Tamerlan was a 14th century warlord whose armies killed millions of people.

Based on her logic, we should never admit a family to the USA if they have a relative named Adolf or Josef (Hitler or Stalin); and conversely should admit all families who have a family member named Jesus (very popular Hispanic name).

Phyllis is going on 89 years old and statements like that makes it look like the years have taken their toll on her.
Perhaps you missed the point. If the family named him Tamerlan knowing the history of the original Tamerlan, then perhaps their intent was to groom him for the same war-like behavior. The name should at least send up a red flag to call for a through investigation. Especially due to the fact that he came from an area dominated by Muslims.

Anyway, I think the overall point of the column was perfectly sound. We need to be more cautious. Does anyone doubt that?

Bucco 04-25-2013 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 666430)
Perhaps you missed the point. If the family named him Tamerlan knowing the history of the original Tamerlan, then perhaps their intent was to groom him for the same war-like behavior. The name should at least send up a red flag to call for a through investigation. Especially due to the fact that he came from an area dominated by Muslims.

Anyway, I think the overall point of the column was perfectly sound. We need to be more cautious. Does anyone doubt that?
The column was very sound and had the OP even quoted or put it in context the meaning changes quite a bit. I surely do not agree with all, but it seems that a discussion of an oped should begin with truthful presentation of said op ed.

Instead of looking for substance, it appears some of the poster just wanted to make personal comments about the authors age and reference to her as a "dingbat"

OnTrack 04-25-2013 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 666430)
The name should at least send up a red flag to call for a through investigation.
Are you really serious?


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Bucco 04-25-2013 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 666438)
Are you really serious?


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I am certain you read the entire op ed and not just relied on the out of context presentation on here !!!!

I would agree with you IF the only point being made was about the name....it was NOT the only point and I sure hope folks read a bit better than it seems they do based on this thread.

Agree or disagree but keep it in context and read the entire thing.

Villages PL 04-25-2013 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 666438)
Are you really serious?
Yes, I am serious. Of course, it assumes that the people involved are familiar with important names in history as the column writer obviously is. If she knows history, shouldn't those in charge of letting people into this country know their history too?

Bucco 04-25-2013 06:56 PM
For those who want a bit more than the OPs interpetation of the article, my I quote the first few sentences from the article...

"The Boston bombing crime shows that comprehensive immigration reform should not be only a southern border problem or even just a problem of illegal aliens.

It's also a problem of foreigners who are admitted legally but should never have been admitted, and of others admitted legally on a visa but are not tracked to make sure they depart when their visitor's time expires, as U.S. law requires."

Boston Marathon Bombing Shows Immigration Not Only A Border Problem - Investors.com

This was the point of the oped, and I do not think she did a particulary good job at presenting it, but she does not deserve to be taken apart personally on here because of her age and any other personal slams that have been aimed at her.

Is this thread to be about the personal lacks of the writer or the article ?

OnTrack 04-25-2013 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 666448)
Yes, I am serious. Of course, it assumes that the people involved are familiar with important names in history as the column writer obviously is. If she knows history, shouldn't those in charge of letting people into this country know their history too?
The leap from "knowing history" to "the name should at least send up a red flag to call for a through investigation" ....is a huge one I hope this great country never takes. :(


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Bucco 04-25-2013 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 666459)
The leap from "knowing history" to "the name should at least send up a red flag to call for a through investigation" ....is a huge one I hope this great country never takes. :(


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And your comments on the actual article and not simply this selected (for some reason) phrase ?

graciegirl 04-25-2013 07:02 PM
Bucco. That was a very sane answer.
 
People who show hatred, push you further into your own views and make you angry.

They don't change your mind, they make you more entrenched.

Hatred is obvious from a hundred paces on this forum.

And the usual logical approach by so many of you that I look up to is calming. Thank you Bucco.

Bucco 04-25-2013 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 666470)
Once again, TOTV has been educational. I had no idea Phyllis Schlafly had a column, and that it was published in the Daily Fun. I have no dislike of Phyllis because of her age. However, she is known for her opposition to feminism. For that, I wouldn't read her column, and the fact that the Daily Fun publishes that type of backward thinking, places it on my "do not read" list. They also publish that hate monger Ann Coulter. Ugh!
I often learn more by reading those I "think" I oppose for sure. Without knowing that you limit yourself in a very big way, however may I ask what part of this particular quote from the article you might disagree with....

"The Boston bombing crime shows that comprehensive immigration reform should not be only a southern border problem or even just a problem of illegal aliens.

It's also a problem of foreigners who are admitted legally but should never have been admitted, and of others admitted legally on a visa but are not tracked to make sure they depart when their visitor's time expires, as U.S. law requires."

Boston Marathon Bombing Shows Immigration Not Only A Border Problem - Investors.com

I make it a point to read both left and right of any issue...otherwise my mind is closed.

mickey100 04-25-2013 07:19 PM
In my mind, Ms Schlafly lost her credibility many years ago with her inane views on women's rights. Her comments on the Violence Against Women Act were something along the lines of "it shouldn't be enacted because it promotes divorce and hatred of men". Such wisdom, NOT. I don't waste my time reading the views of people I don't consider intelligent.

Moderator 04-25-2013 07:59 PM
This thread is hopelessly off track of the original topic about a column in today's paper. Personal attacks, name calling, and political statements render it unwieldy to clean up, hence it will be closed.

The admin has opened the door to allow discussion of current events topics as long as they stay away from name calling, partisan references, overt political topics, personal attacks, and extreme rants. Sadly, few of these threads seem to last more than a few hours before they degrade beyond repair.

It's unfortunate that we can't discuss important topics with respect and civility.

Dismounting soapbox....


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