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OldManTime 05-20-2013 07:01 AM

Nova Scotia has eliminated Mothers & Fathers Days.
 
Talk about political correctness, so sad.

OnTrack 05-20-2013 07:10 AM

A link?

Is there more to this story?


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Madelaine Amee 05-20-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManTime (Post 678826)
Talk about political correctness, so sad.

Dartmouth school replaces Mother's Day, Father's Day with Family Day | CTV Atlantic News

Quote: " A parent in Dartmouth, N.S. says her child’s school is taking political correctness too far by deciding to eliminate Mother’s Day and Father’s Day celebrations.

Astral Drive Elementary School has instead chosen to celebrate the International Day of Families, which takes place each year on May 15, to include non-traditional families.

Michelle Allaby says she has no problem with the idea of a family day, but she feels Mother’s Day and Father’s Day shouldn’t be abolished at the school".

It's the decision of a single school, not the whole Island.

twinklesweep 05-20-2013 07:30 AM

Imho ...
 
I did a Google search on this subject and found that a single elementary school in Nova Scotia has chosen not to celebrate Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. This is a far cry from the entire province doing so.

School replaces Mother's Day, Father's Day out of respect for modern families

According to the article, this is “the beginning of the end for Western civilization.” You think?

IMHO, these holidays have morphed into something that celebrates the spirit of commercialism, typified by Hallmark and the industries that cater to gifts for Mom and Dad. One can choose to recognize, honor, and love one’s parents without need for a congressionally created holiday on the calendar accompanied by tons of advertising and sales. There’s nothing wrong with commercialism, but it just seems inappropriate as a vehicle for putting the focus on one’s parents for a single day of the year.

For many of us, this is what’s happened to Christmas too. The focus has become the spirit of commercialism rather than on the real meaning of the holiday, resulting in these revised carols:

“Angels we have heard on high, tell us to go out and BUY!”

“Hark the Herald Tribune sings, advertising wondrous things!”

“God rest ye merry merchants, may ye make the Yule tide PAY!”

This is NOT what our holidays are supposed to be about!

buggyone 05-20-2013 07:35 AM

I would love to see your link that states Nova Scotia has eliminated Mother's Day and Father's Day.

The only thing I could find was that one elementary school in Nova Scotia has decided to observe what they call International Family Day instead of Mother's Day. It has been in place for the past 2 years!

On this Mother's Day, children had to write down the names of the family members that made the most difference in their lives and hang the notes up in a tree in the gym. And this is going to cause the downfall of the Canadian family system?

School Bans Mother's Day, Replaces It with Family Day

Golfingnut 05-20-2013 07:48 AM

I think it would be a good idea to go with Family Day. You would eliminate sadness for children without mothers or fathers. Family is most important not matter what the gender makeup is. Yea for FAMILY DAY.

Not everyone fits into the same box with the two kids, mom and dad and a white picket fence. In my opinion that does not make them bad or different.

Golfingnut 05-20-2013 07:56 AM

I have to double post on this thread. I think one of the terrible things our generation passed on to our children was that if someone is mentally or physically handicapped they are less of a person. If you have no Mother or Father are you any less worthy. If both your parents are of the same gender does that make you a bad person? I am all for FAMILY DAY as it would give worth and respect to all no matter their family make up.

OnTrack 05-20-2013 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 678863)
I have to double post on this thread. I think one of the terrible things our generation passed on to our children was that if someone is mentally or physically handicapped they are less of a person. If you have no Mother or Father are you any less worthy. If both your parents are of the same gender does that make you a bad person? I am all for FAMILY DAY as it would give worth and respect to all no matter their family make up.

Ditto here. :thumbup:

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graciegirl 05-20-2013 08:54 AM

It is just a title. How we choose to honor our mother is a personal thing.
 
I am not a big person for change.

I have always loved Mother's Day and my mother died at my birth. We all live with the realities of our own lives and Mothers day is beautiful to me for all the women who loved me as a child and for the joy of being a mother and watching our daughter be a mother too.

We don't need to get our knickers in a hitch. It is gonna work out fine, one way or another whatever "they" want to call it in that little area of Nova Scotia.

But I say that ....Today is a good day to say I love you to anyone who needs to hear it.

billethkid 05-20-2013 09:10 AM

I do not accept ANY rationale why such changes either trump or replace conventional standards to date and that are STILL APPROPRIATE for the majority.

Give "them" their day but do not take away ours, thank you very much!

btk

buggyone 05-20-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 678899)
I do not accept ANY rationale why such changes either trump or replace conventional standards to date and that are STILL APPROPRIATE for the majority.

Give "them" their day but do not take away ours, thank you very much!

btk

I can see your viewpoint and do not disagree - but the change is at one elementary school in a single town in a Canadian province.

Golfingnut 05-20-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 678949)
I can see your viewpoint and do not disagree - but the change is at one elementary school in a single town in a Canadian province.

Thats a solid observation. I do however have concern when anyone wants to hang onto the OLD way of doing things when in fact change is the best survival trait the human race has. Species are lost forever constantly because they do not have the ability to change and modify their position on life issues. Humans do have that ability and although lots of us come into change kicking and crying all the way, look back at all we have accomplished as the human race through change to the OLD STANDARD WAY of doing things like:

Racial integration
Womens rights

So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.

Lou

OnTrack 05-20-2013 12:16 PM

Both Mothers and Fathers Day, are not really that "old."

Both were started in the early 20th Century in the US. :shrug:

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billethkid 05-20-2013 12:18 PM

"So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.".....totally and completely off the mark....again.

This ending while perhaps suiting the purpose of the post is Not what was said/proposed/implied......change what needs to be changed....needs to be changed.....don't change for the sake of political correctness (:yuck:...since the barf icon is gone this will do).....addig for clarity (to be polite) does not requrie a delete for emphasis.

Is there ever a time when a case can be presented that does not trigger a re-characterization or re-interpretation of the original intent.....to make a point?

btk

graciegirl 05-20-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 678959)
Thats a solid observation. I do however have concern when anyone wants to hang onto the OLD way of doing things when in fact change is the best survival trait the human race has. Species are lost forever constantly because they do not have the ability to change and modify their position on life issues. Humans do have that ability and although lots of us come into change kicking and crying all the way, look back at all we have accomplished as the human race through change to the OLD STANDARD WAY of doing things like:

Racial integration
Womens rights

So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.

Lou


Lou. This is getting a little tiny bit off topic, my friend.

We are talking about the name of a "kind of commemoration day".
We are talking about Mothers day. I think your post refers to baseball, hotdogs, apple pies and Chevrolets. ;)

OnTrack 05-20-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 678969)
"So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.".....totally and completely off the mark....again.

This ending while perhaps suiting the purpose of the post is Not what was said/proposed/implied......change what needs to be changed....needs to be changed.....don't change for the sake of political correctness (:yuck:...since the barf icon is gone this will do).....addig for clarity (to be polite) does not requrie a delete for emphasis.

Is there ever a time when a case can be presented that does not trigger a re-characterization or re-interpretation of the original intent.....to make a point?

btk

As to what "needs" to be changed, doesn't that go right back to a persons...."own selfish interests?"

Jes sayin'.

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Golfingnut 05-20-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 678974)
As to what "needs" to be changed, doesn't that go right back to a persons...."own selfish interests?"

Jes sayin'.

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I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.

OnTrack 05-20-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 679030)
I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on." :D



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I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.
That pretty much says it all. :coolsmiley:

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Golfingnut 05-20-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679052)
Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on." :D




That pretty much says it all. :coolsmiley:

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Thanks and I will not submit to silly scolding from anyone that is only a few years my senior. I feel confident that my ideas are far more accurate than to be stifled by a little slap on the wrist from someone that missed my point in full.

tainsley 05-20-2013 03:22 PM

My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

OnTrack 05-20-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tainsley (Post 679081)
My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

Can't ask for much more than that. :coolsmiley:

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Golfingnut 05-20-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tainsley (Post 679081)
My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

My point exactly. Family no matter how it is formed is the important issue, not mothers day, fathers day, etc. etc.. Family day would include everyone and leave no one out in the dark wishing they were part of the celebration.

Villages PL 05-20-2013 03:48 PM

On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

graciegirl 05-20-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 679104)
On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

By George, I think you're right.

OnTrack 05-20-2013 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 679104)
On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!


You're buying into the commercialization mindset, that has beset Mothers and Fathers Day.....from the beginning. :(


POKE HERE
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The modern holiday of Mother's Day was first celebrated in 1908, when Anna Jarvis held a memorial for her mother in Grafton, West Virginia.

She then began a campaign to make "Mother's Day" a recognized holiday in the United States.

Although she was successful in 1914, she was already disappointed with its commercialization by the 1920s.

Why can't it be about doing kind acts, thinking of others first, appreciating family (warts and all)...and just spending quality time together?



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Golfingnut 05-20-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 679104)
On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

graciegirl 05-20-2013 04:03 PM

I don't think that Mother and Fathers day is commercial to us, to our family, nor is Christmas. I like all three and like all of the falderol about them. I like the giving of gifts and I like the day marked as a celebration and a feast. The whole world cannot celebrate Christmas big enough for me and mine.

I don't feel commercialism in those days at all. Folks can see good or bad into anything. It is kind of like an elementary classroom theme each month. It is something we mark and do and enjoy or learn about.

There are those who don't make a big deal out of any holidays or special events and they have their reasons. My Sweetie and I don't make a big celebration out of anniversaries, even our 50th and don't do much for birthdays when childhood is over. Everyone feels differently about what they celebrate.

To each their own.

Villages PL 05-20-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 679118)
Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

Thank you, Golfingnut, I see your point. We don't need to do that in school.

Villages PL 05-20-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679113)
You're buying into the commercialization mindset, that has beset Mothers and Fathers Day.....from the beginning. :(

Good point. I'm not a big fan of commercializing holidays.

Golfingnut 05-20-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 679127)
Thank you, Golfingnut, I see your point. We don't need to do that in school.

Thank you as well. I fit into the majority. I seem to fall into the majority in almost every category, yet I am so concerned about those that don't. We celebrate CHRISTMAS, MOTHERS DAY and all the rest of the Majority days in at our house, but I feel the pain for so many that don't quite fit and yet have to endure my holidays when they do not apply to them. It would be like being a Christian living in IRAN. This is a nation of acceptance for all not just the majority. If you are truly an American you should be happy and respect the diversity of this great nation. Eliminating anyone because they are not in the Majority is not what this country stands for.

saratogaman 05-20-2013 04:25 PM

Wait until Hallmark gets word of this.

Golfingnut 05-20-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogaman (Post 679136)
wait until hallmark gets word of this.

lol

Quixote 05-21-2013 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 678959)
Thats a solid observation. I do however have concern when anyone wants to hang onto the OLD way of doing things when in fact change is the best survival trait the human race has. Species are lost forever constantly because they do not have the ability to change and modify their position on life issues. Humans do have that ability and although lots of us come into change kicking and crying all the way, look back at all we have accomplished as the human race through change to the OLD STANDARD WAY of doing things like:

Racial integration
Womens rights

So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.

Lou

Wow! Incredibly thoughtful; I completely agree, especially the highlighted paragraph.


Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 678971)
Lou. This is getting a little tiny bit off topic, my friend.

We are talking about the name of a "kind of commemoration day".
We are talking about Mothers day. I think your post refers to baseball, hotdogs, apple pies and Chevrolets. ;)

I don't feel that Golfingnut was off topic at all. We're talking about a congressionally-created holiday that even the woman who was the impetus behind it was unhappy with what it morphed into!


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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 679030)
I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.

More great points, especially those highlighted! I have a friend (not in TV) who often says, "The best thing about 'the good old days' is that they're gone!" I don't always agree, but as pointed out earlier, change is part of our evolution, both physical AND social.


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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679052)
Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on." :D ....

Once again, agreed!


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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 679118)
Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

You didn't just "try" (which implies failure); you succeeded--and succeeded well--with those who are thoughtful and open-minded. And it IS simple. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and concern for others. I think I know you....

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 679135)
Thank you as well. I fit into the majority. I seem to fall into the majority in almost every category, yet I am so concerned about those that don't. We celebrate CHRISTMAS, MOTHERS DAY and all the rest of the Majority days in at our house, but I feel the pain for so many that don't quite fit and yet have to endure my holidays when they do not apply to them. It would be like being a Christian living in IRAN. This is a nation of acceptance for all not just the majority. If you are truly an American you should be happy and respect the diversity of this great nation. Eliminating anyone because they are not in the Majority is not what this country stands for.

Now I KNOW that I know you! Sadly, what our country stands for does not necessarily reflect the views of all its citizenry. We can LEGISLATE anything-- including Mother's and Father's Days--but that doesn't mean we change anyone's hearts; that's up to us individually....

billethkid 05-21-2013 08:24 AM

:popcorn::popcorn:

graciegirl 05-21-2013 08:37 AM

I kinda think this might be political and I never thought of things like this as political so I will continue to not think about it as political. I hear things I don't understand about commercialism and stuff like that so I guess it means something different to others.

To me it is just a day. You don't have to do anything if you don't want to.

I am stayin' out of this from now on.

Who knew so many people tied stuff to other stuff and got all excited?

I hate it when there are deep meanings to stuff that I never connected deep meanings to. I think I don't want to understand where everyone is coming from.

Peace brothers...and sisters.

And Mothers and Fathers and Families.;)

buggyone 05-21-2013 08:43 AM

Kind of amazing how political that an action by one elementary school in one province in Canada gets on this forum.

It is not the entire country that is doing this but just one elementary school. Who is it hurting? Absolutely nobody!!!

Golfingnut 05-21-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 679412)
I kinda think this might be political and I never thought of things like this as political so I will continue to not think about it as political. I hear things I don't understand about commercialism and stuff like that so I guess it means something different to others.

NO big Deal Gracie, we all make mistakes on occasion, so don't leave. Everyones point of view should be heard.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-21-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 678857)
I think it would be a good idea to go with Family Day. You would eliminate sadness for children without mothers or fathers. Family is most important not matter what the gender makeup is. Yea for FAMILY DAY.

Not everyone fits into the same box with the two kids, mom and dad and a white picket fence. In my opinion that does not make them bad or different.

What about the kids that don't have a family. We should never ever celebrate anything because it might make someone feel bad.

Golfingnut 05-21-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 679481)
What about the kids that don't have a family. We should never ever celebrate anything because it might make someone feel bad.

Not true. \Even in an orphanage, children can have someone that helps them and that is their family, however if you were right, it would be better never to celebrate anything if it had a possibility of making a child feel left out.

Now with both our silly posts out of the way, I am just saying we should do all we can to include everyone in celebration and not just the select so called Majority. Even minorities have feelings don't ya think. If changing the title on a holiday would ease the pain of rejection on someone, why not?

2-crazy 05-21-2013 11:56 AM

Right on the mark ‘twinklesweep’ but maybe the province should consider the idea.


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