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glencus 05-21-2013 05:57 PM

Daily Sun - Way to go
 
This mornings paper carried a small 3" square report on the lower left corner. Not really newsworthy apparently to report the real significance of a monster tornado killing many and destroying the entire town of Moore Oklahoma. Oh, but your feature story about a lady delivering food to needy children couldn't wait until this horrible natural disaster was over. Where are your priorities?

Bucco 05-21-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by glencus (Post 679680)
This mornings paper carried a small 3" square report on the lower left corner. Not really newsworthy apparently to report the real significance of a monster tornado killing many and destroying the entire town of Moore Oklahoma. Oh, but your feature story about a lady delivering food to needy children couldn't wait until this horrible natural disaster was over. Where are your priorities?

I never have quite understood the constant nagging on the Daily Sun at all !!


They are what they are and I, for one, have never expected any more and have accepted them.

.....They make no attempt to be your first source of national news, and never made that claim. I doubt anyone depends on them for that.

.....They are not geared for late breaking news. I don't know, but guess they go to press much earlier than other papers.

I would doubt that you, or anyone relies on this paper to deliver news FIRST in the morning. They rely on the various wire services.

graciegirl 05-21-2013 07:14 PM

I feel that there is usually another reason for the dislike of The Sun.

Ten guesses. First nine don't count.

I like The Sun, but I do have the internet and the TV and my phone for all the breaking news.

I watched CNN late unto the night, horribly obsessed once again with another sad and disastrous event.

Let the Sun Shine.

Duck everyone. Here it comes.

OnTrack 05-21-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glencus (Post 679680)
This mornings paper carried a small 3" square report on the lower left corner. Not really newsworthy apparently to report the real significance of a monster tornado killing many and destroying the entire town of Moore Oklahoma. Oh, but your feature story about a lady delivering food to needy children couldn't wait until this horrible natural disaster was over. Where are your priorities?

That wouldn't be fitting with their well-deserved nickname of... The Happy Paper. :D

I think a lot of people like it, because it has a very specific (and myopic) point of view, it keeps things very simple and it primarily concentrates on those issues that don't take much brain power.

I subscribe primarily for the sports section and the often interesting special interest stories.


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kimball 05-21-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 679718)
I feel that there is usually another reason for the dislike of The Sun.

Ten guesses. First nine don't count.

I like The Sun, but I do have the internet and the TV and my phone for all the breaking news.

I watched CNN late unto the night, horribly obsessed once again with another sad and disastrous event.

Let the Sun Shine.

Duck everyone. Here it comes.

They do call themselves a NEWSpaper. Suggest that carries some obligation to report the news. Everyone does not watch CNN or follow the news of the world on their cell phone. A Newspaper has an obligation to report the news. This one exists to further their own greedy agenda, not to be responsible reporters of news. Pretty sad situation that that so many around here are oblivious to the difference between right and wrong and condone stuff like this.

Bucco 05-21-2013 07:40 PM

I have a suggestion for those who find the local paper a bit beneath them....cancel your subscription and don't read it.

I am sure, given the chance, they would apologize to you folks for not measuring up to your obvious lofty standards.

Why you folks have this need to criticize and pan something you do not have any obligation to buy or read is a bit strange to me.

missypie 05-21-2013 07:43 PM

One can subscribe to any paper that they wish. There is USA Today, The Orlando Paper, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Miami Herald, among others. The beauty of our country is we can read what we want whenever we want.

graciegirl 05-21-2013 07:45 PM

My point is made.

janmcn 05-21-2013 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by missypie (Post 679736)
One can subscribe to any paper that they wish. There is USA Today, The Orlando Paper, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Miami Herald, among others. The beauty of our country is we can read what we want whenever we want.

How many of those papers or others can you get home delivered in The Villages?

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kimball (Post 679730)
They do call themselves a NEWSpaper. Suggest that carries some obligation to report the news. Everyone does not watch CNN or follow the news of the world on their cell phone. A Newspaper has an obligation to report the news. This one exists to further their own greedy agenda, not to be responsible reporters of news. Pretty sad situation that that so many around here are oblivious to the difference between right and wrong and condone stuff like this.

Any and all TV station have covered this story all day. Any "news" that the Sun would have published today would have been old by the time it hit our driveways.
I think you are being petty..................

Bucco 05-21-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 679739)
How many of those papers or others can you get home delivered in The Villages?

I think at least 3

Why the ragging on the local paper....was it a lot different when you first read it and has it changed that much in all the years in existence ?

graciegirl 05-21-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 679739)
How many of those papers or others can you get home delivered in The Villages?

My across the street neighbor gets two of those mentioned.

graciegirl 05-21-2013 07:52 PM

Any fans of The Sun feel courageous tonight? Any fans of the developer?

I guess I am here all alone. But happy.

Waiting for my check from Gary.:mornincoffee:

OnTrack 05-21-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 679744)
Why the ragging on the local paper....

Honest question here.

Why is any criticism of the Sun, met with such anger and vitriol by some people?

Isn't it reasonable, for members to voice their displeasure of their own subjects?

Gosh knows, it is done on a plethora of other issues/subjects...by those who defend the paper. :shrug:


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graciegirl 05-21-2013 08:04 PM

Why do some like it and some don't?

Extremely easy answer.

Sheep over here....goats over there.

Mikeod 05-21-2013 08:06 PM

I don't understand the criticism of the paper in this instance. It is obvious from prior experience that they put the paper to bed much earlier than metropolitan papers. The night the car crashed into our lanai, the newspaper was on our driveway at 3:00 AM. In order for them to print it, distribute it to the carriers, and them get it to my house, they would have to wrap up the edition much earlier. To me, I give them credit for getting even a small blurb about the tornado disaster onto the front page. At the very least, it gives me incentive to go online or on TV to get more details.

The Sun is not a typical daily paper. It certainly focuses on local news and events and gives somewhat short shrift to national/international news. To expect more will leave one disappointed. With the growth of this community, there may be an opportunity for another paper, but that isn't the way news delivery is evolving.

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679751)
Honest question here.

Why is any criticism of the Sun, met with such anger and vitriol by some people?
Isn't it reasonable, for members to voice their displeasure of their own subjects?

Gosh knows, it is done on a plethora of other issues/subjects...by those who defend the paper. :shrug:


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I guess because most of the time it is really silly. Like not covering the tornado in great detail, full page photo spread and two pages of stories.
Or that accident over there or anywhere that happened at eleven PM and it was not reported in the morning paper, because the developer said so.............and lo and behold it shows up in the next issue. However, the whiners never return to point that out.
Come on, get real.

Mikeod 05-21-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679751)
Honest question here.

Why is any criticism of the Sun, met with such anger and vitriol by some people?

Isn't it reasonable, for members to voice their displeasure of their own subjects?

Gosh knows, it is done on a plethora of other issues/subjects...by those who defend the paper. :shrug:


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What vitriol? Is disagreeing with the criticism of the paper any more vitriolic than criticism of the paper itself?

pooh 05-21-2013 08:14 PM

What some might forget is that they can subscribe to many newspapers online. No one is stopping them.

Sorry, I, too, get upset with the complaints about our local newspaper. If you don't like it, DON'T subscribe to it.

In reality newspapers always print news that is old. The evening news reports news that is old. If you want to stay current in this world, either keep TV on, there is no shortage of media feeds from events taking place in this world, or turn on your computer!

The Sun is a bit of relief from all the tragedy, murder and mayhem that takes place in the world today. If you want to know what's happening, turn on CNN, The Weather Channel, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, almost any station and get up to the minute information and pictures....

Rant over.

OnTrack 05-21-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 679758)
I guess because most of the time it is really silly. Like not covering the tornado in great detail, full page photo spread and two pages of stories.
Or that accident over there or anywhere that happened at eleven PM and it was not reported in the morning paper, because the developer said so.............and lo and behold it shows up in the next issue.

One persons "silliness"...is another persons "seriousness." :shrug:



To mikeod, this is the type of anger and vitriol to which I was referring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 679758)
However, the whiners never return to point that out.

Come on, get real.


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OnTrack 05-21-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 679759)
What vitriol? Is disagreeing with the criticism of the paper any more vitriolic than criticism of the paper itself?

Might I suggest, there is a huge difference?

One is criticism of the paper.

The other is criticism of a fellow member.


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asianthree 05-21-2013 08:19 PM

every time i read the sun i find another house i want to live in:clap2:

OnTrack 05-21-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 679767)
every time i read the sun i find another house i want to live in:clap2:

OK, that was good. :D

You're a born diplomat. :thumbup:


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LndLocked 05-21-2013 08:21 PM

I think that the local Daily Fishwrap does a wonderful job ...... of it's primary function of being a de facto marketing arm of TV.

perrjojo 05-21-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679751)
Honest question here.

Why is any criticism of the Sun, met with such anger and vitriol by some people?

Isn't it reasonable, for members to voice their displeasure of their own subjects?

Gosh knows, it is done on a plethora of other issues/subjects...by those who defend the paper. :shrug:


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Here is the way I view this question....if I buy a comic book, I know what I will be reading. It won't be a novel like War and Peace. When I buy the Daily Sun I know that it is a "local, small town" paper...it's not the WallStreet Journal and I don't expect it to be. We lived in a suburb of Atlanta and I bought the Atlanta Journal Constitution for world news. I bought our local Cherokee Ledger to keep up with what was happening in our community. Both papers gave me value. The Daily Sun is our "small town" local interest Publication. They don't claim to be anything else. You don't go to a hardware store to buy bread. Don't buy the Daily Sun and expect US News and World Report. They ARE a "Newspaper". It is the news of what is happening here in the Villages. That news is of interest to many of us.

Mikeod 05-21-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679766)
Might I suggest, there is a huge difference?

One is criticism of the paper.

The other is criticism of a fellow member.


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Might I suggest that it is entirely possible to criticize a statement without denigrating the speaker.

njbchbum 05-21-2013 08:26 PM

if i was a betting person, i'd bet that the folks in moore, ok would be happy to have ANY paper delivered to their driveway in the morning!

complaining about something you don't have to buy, much less read is inane!

buggyone 05-21-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 679733)
I have a suggestion for those who find the local paper a bit beneath them....cancel your subscription and don't read it.

I am sure, given the chance, they would apologize to you folks for not measuring up to your obvious lofty standards.

Why you folks have this need to criticize and pan something you do not have any obligation to buy or read is a bit strange to me.

I do not understand what is going on here! I find myself agreeing more and more with Bucco! Good going, Bucco, on your reply. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Can it be that great minds think alike?

Happinow 05-21-2013 08:29 PM

Lift me up
 
I, for one, can appreciate not seeing these tragedies plastered all over the Daily Sun. You can turn on any TV news station or listen to the radio for the latest and not so great news making headlines. There is so much sadness in the world these days that I cannot continuously listen or watch it everywhere. With the shootings, tornados, bombings and other disasters happening it can really take a toll on us. I don't mean to sweep anything under the rug because in my own way I mourn for these people and their families. It truly is heartbreaking. But, I also need to know the good in the world and what's going on in this "bubble" we live in. I know that when my heart gets heavy with everything I see on news TV, that when I open up the Daily Sun I can warm my heart just a bit with all the good happening here. I like all of the positive "news" in the Sun.

OnTrack 05-21-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 679772)
Here is the way I view this question....if I buy a comic book, I know what I will be reading. It won't be a novel like War and Peace. When I buy the Daily Sun I know that it is a "local, small town" paper...it's not the WallStreet Journal and I don't expect it to be. We lived in a suburb of Atlanta and I bought the Atlanta Journal Constitution for world news. I bought our local Cherokee Ledger to keep up with what was happening in our community. Both papers gave me value. The Daily Sun is our "small town" local interest Publication. They don't claim to be anything else. You don't go to a hardware store to buy bread. Don't buy the Daily Sun and expect US News and World Report. They ARE a "Newspaper". It is the news of what is happening here in the Villages. That news is of interest to many of us.

You make an excellent point, but I need to ask one thing.

Did the Cherokee Ledger, through their op/ed pages, supposed current national events and no disclaimer otherwise...... bother to pretend that they were a real newspaper?

But hey, you're points are well taken.

Those of us who would like to see a higher standard from them, should pretty much just give it up. :shrug:

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Warren Kiefer 05-21-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 679747)
Any fans of The Sun feel courageous tonight? Any fans of the developer?

I guess I am here all alone. But happy.

Waiting for my check from Gary.:mornincoffee:

I find a lot in the Sun interesting and useful. The puzzles are always good.

I do continue as a customer of the Sun mainly because of the articles about golf course conditions etc, and of course the puzzles. Daily Sun, It's time to styop the childish cartoons and get down to being a real newspaper. .

perrjojo 05-21-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679785)
You make an excellent point, but I need to ask one thing.

Did the Cherokee Ledger, through their op/ed pages, supposed current national events and no disclaimer otherwise...... bother to pretend that they were a real newspaper?

But hey, you're points are well taken.

Those of us who would like to see a higher standard from them, should pretty much just give it up. :shrug:

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Ummmm, yep...they certainly thought they were a REAL newspaper....they just focused on more local events..just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder; perhaps it is the same with "news". What news do you want to read about may not be the same news that I find interesting.

OnTrack 05-21-2013 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 679793)
Ummmm, yep...they certainly thought they were a REAL newspaper....they just focused on more local events..just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder; perhaps it is the same with "news". What news do you want to read about may not be the same news that I find interesting.

OK, fair enough.

Thanks for answering. :)

Indydealmaker 05-21-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 679739)
How many of those papers or others can you get home delivered in The Villages?

The Orlando paper and the Wall Street Journal, for sure. There is also a Sumter County weekly and a Leesburg daily.

JB in TV 05-21-2013 09:22 PM

Best post of the year!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 679784)
I, for one, can appreciate not seeing these tragedies plastered all over the Daily Sun. You can turn on any TV news station or listen to the radio for the latest and not so great news making headlines. There is so much sadness in the world these days that I cannot continuously listen or watch it everywhere. With the shootings, tornados, bombings and other disasters happening it can really take a toll on us. I don't mean to sweep anything under the rug because in my own way I mourn for these people and their families. It truly is heartbreaking. But, I also need to know the good in the world and what's going on in this "bubble" we live in. I know that when my heart gets heavy with everything I see on news TV, that when I open up the Daily Sun I can warm my heart just a bit with all the good happening here. I like all of the positive "news" in the Sun.

I agree 100%! Best post of the year on TOTV. Thank you!

Didiwinbob 05-21-2013 09:34 PM

I like reading The Sun. If I want to read late breaking news I go to the Internet.

queasy27 05-21-2013 09:54 PM

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If you don't like it, DON'T subscribe to it.
America, love it or leave it? Is there no room for any criticism of the Sun's editorial policies?

Small town paper or not, I still think The Sun leaves a lot to be desired as far as journalistic standards, and its relentless, upbeat spin on everything The Villages/Morse is tiresome to me. But no, I don't subscribe.

perrjojo 05-21-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 679841)
America, love it or leave it? Is there no room for any criticism of the Sun's editorial policies?

Small town paper or not, I still think The Sun leaves a lot to be desired as far as journalistic standards, and its relentless, upbeat spin on everything The Villages/Morse is tiresome to me. But no, I don't subscribe.

Some may not agree or "get" my analogy but here it is anyway.
I do not like turnips. I love apples. I do not complain that turnips do not taste like apples. I do not ask turnips to be more like apples. I do not ask turnips growers to change to growing apples. I do not buy turnips. I buy apples.

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTrack (Post 679785)
You make an excellent point, but I need to ask one thing.

Did the Cherokee Ledger, through their op/ed pages, supposed current national events and no disclaimer otherwise...... bother to pretend that they were a real newspaper?

But hey, you're points are well taken.

Those of us who would like to see a higher standard from them, should pretty much just give it up. :shrug:

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"give it up" By stop buying the paper you will probably feel better.

circletrack 05-21-2013 11:40 PM

Um.... Did you guys miss the last part of that blurb on the front that teased to a story on page 3? If you notice this happens daily. Usually the top part of the paper is all local with a small national story below refering to the rest inside.


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