Originally Posted by justjim (Post 695608)

Nobody, including me, wants a tax increase. However, there is one that I support. An Internet sales tax is needed in order to level the playing field for small business. All e-tailers should collect and remit sales taxes for the state where a Buyer resides. It's not fair to him/her who owns a small business in Smallville or Largeville who has to collect sales tax for the state and a large e-tailer like Amazon gets by without collecting any at all. This in my opinion should not be a political issue---it's strictly a matter of fairness. What do you think?

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 695608)

This in my opinion should not be a political issue---it's strictly a matter of fairness. What do you think?

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 695667)

I will never understand why anyone would agree with anew tax or a tax being increased. People who play lotteries are in fact freely paying taxes. Lotteries claim billions go toward education. Has anyone notice a decrease in any educational institution anywhere in this country.

Federal state and local governments once found gambling to be illegal and lending itself to moral decay. Well they made it legal and it has led to moral decay but heck the government got their cut.

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 695689)

Don't we wish the taxers were even near as prompt in paying their own taxes as they are about trying to tax more:

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 695608)

Nobody, including me, wants a tax increase. However, there is one that I support. An Internet sales tax is needed in order to level the playing field for small business. All e-tailers should collect and remit sales taxes for the state where a Buyer resides. It's not fair to him/her who owns a small business in Smallville or Largeville who has to collect sales tax for the state and a large e-tailer like Amazon gets by without collecting any at all. This in my opinion should not be a political issue---it's strictly a matter of fairness. What do you think?

Originally Posted by JourneyOfLife (Post 695671)

Here is Florida's Dept Revenue rule on it.

FL Dept Rev - Use Tax on Out-of-State Purchases

Most states have some form of tax collection approach already for internet purchases.

Originally Posted by 784caroline (Post 695705)

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99.9% of the federal employees mentioned in this article are people like you and I...they are not Congressmen. I would like to see the article about Doctors, plumbers or teachers...the average person for his/her profession.....the impact/result would be the same.

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 695750)

Surely we would expect any federal employee to be above the norm in these areas. Even banks keep tabs of their employee's credit etc. and take steps to correct it if it gets out of line.


Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 695747)

individual retailers only have to make one filing each month for their sales.
Internet providers would have to theorectically be prepared to file monthly in 50 DIFFERENT states, 50 different forms, due dates, filing procedures, etc.

I am an advocate of a process known as show me how you are spending the money you currently get before I would agree to ANY tax increases. I also happen to be of the camp there is more than enough money available.......it is the real world of those who manage money that is not theirs....DO NOT MANAGE spending.

No tax support from me at local, state or federal......they have the funds needed now!!!

btk

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 695689)

Don't we wish the taxers were even near as prompt in paying their own taxes as they are about trying to tax more:

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 695804)

I doubt we as a group (fed employees) are any different than any other group. I don't have the stats with me but I would imagine that the average govt employee is probably a GS9. A GS9 is a middle class citizen.

I am really tired of people picking on Fed employees. I still run across people who think I pay no federal taxes and that I receive free paid healthcare. I usually try to enlighten them to the real facts but stupid is stupid and all the facts in the world simply float over their heads.

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 695806)

Federal Employees Pay Lookup Search Federal Pay Rates

Apparently you missed this in a previous post. If our federal government cannot police it's own what incentive is there for the private sector? By no means every federal employee or even most are in tax trouble but surely you are not happy or think it is acceptable that this many owe this much $$ and the numbers are increasing . If it is like the private sector those making the most are usually the ones that owe the taxes.

Nearly 312,000 federal workers and retirees owed more than $3.5 billion in back taxes as of Sept. 30, 2011, the agency said. The year before, about 279,000 workers and retirees owed $3.4 billion.

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

Originally Posted by carm310 (Post 695884)

I just read this poem yesterday on a friend's post in Facebook. Says a lot about where we are and at the end just enough about where we were. It is from "Charley Reese's final column for the Orlando Sentinel". Google if you want to read the entire column.

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.



Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 695632)

Justjim: Let me be honest with you. I would not agree to a single penny of tax other than that which would be required to defend this nation from enemies foreign or domestic and additional amounts I deem necessary for the common good. Why? Because our tax system is riddled with greed, poor accounting, poor budgeting, poor estimating and a never ending appetite for more and more tax money that will continue with wasteful spending and/or placed in people's pockets for political favors.

The Internet tax is misrepresented because it doesn't recognize that states vary in laws and regulations and the internet tax is going to end up costing consumers. Keep in mind many states because of their irresponsible fiscal policies are in dire straits and are going to mine for more tax money anyway they can. what they won't do, like the federal government, is cut back spending.

Sooooo I keep repeating it is not my patriotic duty to pay my taxes as a defense against irresponsible spending

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 695904)

And for minorities, gays, old, and sick people this country was a living hell.
Tax codes are in need of help, but without taxes, hundreds of thousands would be forced back into the old times when life was terrible unless you fell into a category of well off white men and their families. I was fortunate enough be in the good ole boy group. Ask a minority who lived through the 50's in this country how great it was.

Originally Posted by carm310 (Post 695927)

I am all for taxes to benefit people of all walks of life and society as a whole, Many (maybe most) in the poem are necessary for society to function and I think we are better off than 100 years ago. The list is long and some, well I question whether they are truly needed. We are just hit from all sides and some states get you get hit more than others. I wonder sometimes if it just can't be simplified more. I admit I don't know a lot about this subject, there are many sides to a story and I appreciate the views expressed through this forum. I learn a lot by "listening" to others.

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 695987)

It's the responsibility of the buyer to pay state taxes, not the seller. Why should the seller be put in the position, yet again, of being an unpaid taxman for Uncle Sam?

Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 696040)

I am against the current proposal for internet sales tax. If anything the tax should go to the state that the product is purchased in. When I travel to another state and purchase a product, I pay the sales tax in that state. Therefore when I buy a product on the internet, I should have to pay the sales tax in that state and they should collect the tax.

Why should my home state receive the sales tax from something I buy in another state?

Am I missing something here?

Z

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 695689)

Don't we wish the taxers were even near as prompt in paying their own taxes as they are about trying to tax more:

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 696199)

If you were a local small business you would understand. The e-tailer business (such as Amazon) can sell their product at a cheaper price because they do not have to pay any sales tax. If any tax liability is required it is put on the buyer. However, most of the time, nothing is paid and this is a huge disadvantage to the "local mom & pop" shops. Small business already has tremendous competition from the local big box stores. I was afraid that this discussion could get political and have done my best to be an advocate for local small businesses and not at all get political. To me its not at all political----it more a David vs. Goliath Issue.