What do you do about Islamic violence?
 

I read today about the unimaginable violence of the killing of the 29 students and one teacher at the boarding school in Nigeria. I am a bit squeamish, but I made myself read it through to the end, read about the little boy who had his fingers shot off his writing hand, read about the women screaming in anguish when they tried to identify their children.

Whatever can be done to end this escalating violence which is spreading to every country in the world.

These people are trying to bring their own people back into the dark ages while the rest of the world is advancing technologically by leaps and bounds every day. They have to be stopped, but how does one go about it?

Pity Old Dave has gone off this chat line, he would have had some great thoughts on this massive problem.

nothing. I have smaller fish to fry.

They have been that way for thousands of years....guess it won't change.

Pray - that is the best I have to offer. I understand your reluctance to read the story - it is heartbreaking to know these things are happening in our lifetimes. So I say again -pray for your own peace of mind and peace to that part of the world. You are not alone with this pain.

According to statistics I have a better chance of dying by my TV falling off its stand on me than Islamic terrorism. We got a heck of a lot more stuff to fix here in the US than to worry about Nigeria.

My answer is also nothing.

Don't you think those people were already praying? Until we figure out that our god is no better or worse than anyone else's we will continue down this path of religious violence.

I think the first practical stopgap is to prevent the possibility of Islamists forming closed communities in the US which ultimately assert that they are governed by Sharia law. This is a problem in Europe, even in nations where the Muslim population is still very small. These communities essentially withdraw from the home country's society. Law enforcement officers are sometimes afraid to enter the area, so the laws of the land are not enforced, and Sharia law becomes defacto. It is not unusual for extremists to emerge from these communities anxious to spread terrorism elsewhere.

This is not farfetched. Remember, we have militia groups living by their own rules in various places in the country. Thankfully, to date we have not allowed these groups or individuals to violate our laws outside of their private compounds, and we make some effort, although with some controversy, to compel them to obey the law where thy do live.

How quickly people forget the people who were killed, maimed and had legs blown off in Boston, Massachusetts less than 3 months ago...by two creeps that were "terrorists", regardless of how formal their ties were or not to these terrorist groups mentioned in the indictments:

"The Islamic organization that includes Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s mosque has ties to the al-Qaeda operative that reportedly inspired Tsarnaev to carry out the Boston Marathon terrorist attack, according to FBI surveillance documents.

Tsarnaev, 19, was indicted Thursday on 30 criminal counts related to the April 15 bombing at the Boston Marathon, which was allegedly carried out by Tsarnaev and his late brother Tamerlan. The bombing left three people dead and numerous others injured, and resulted in a manhunt during which a Boston-area campus police officer was shot and killed.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev reportedly left a note in the boat he hid in during the manhunt claiming that he bombed the Boston Marathon as retribution for U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,” Tsarnaev wrote.

Prior to the Boston Marathon attack, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who attended the Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, downloaded radical Islamic propaganda from the Internet, including materials authored by Anwar al-Awlaki, the senior al Qaeda operative who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen on September 30, 2011. Tsarnaev also downloaded a summer 2010 edition of the al Qaeda magazine “Inspire,” which included bomb-making instructions and which is thought to have been the work of al-Awlaki.

Al-Awlaki lived in the United States between 1990 and 2002, when he moved to the United Kingdom before eventually relocating to Yemen, where he where worked for al-Qaeda and produced propaganda tapes and other materials urging Muslims to commit terrorist attacks against the United States.

Suhaib Webb, imam of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center in Roxbury, spoke alongside al-Awlaki at a September 9, 2001 fundraiser at the University of California at Irvine, according to FBI surveillance documents. The fundraiser was intended to raise money for the legal defense of H. Rap Brown, an Atlanta-based Islamic radical who shot and killed two Georgia police officers. Webb and al-Awlaki helped raise $100,000 to defend Brown, who was eventually convicted for his crimes......

Read more: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's imam shares ties with senior al-Qaeda operative | The Daily Caller

I think Religions are basically violent organizations Islam or Christian or Jewish,does not matter.

How can you say that? I am 73 years old and never met anyone from the American Christian or Jewish communities who were taught to harm us.

Have we forgotten nine eleven and Boston so recently? I know that not all Muslims are extremists but still. Who does things like that if they have a heart and a conscience, kill innocent people in the name of God? Not any religion that I know of personally.

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Wrong.

Timothy McVey was a Christian. There have been TONS of Christians who terrorized and killed fellow American citizens because of their skin color, religion, and sexual persuasion. We formed the country by killing savages because we were spreading the teachings of the good book taking their land along the way. Christian missionaries basically stole all the land from the native Hawaiians.

Please don't tell me that Christians are members of the good religion and Muslims are bad members of theirs.

When you asked me who does things ike that? I think you got your answer. We are no better or worse than they are. The only difference is we carry a big stick and they carry a little one.

When I asked my highly educated and I think intelligent new partner, who is Persian, how we can improve our relationships with the Iranians, he said, "there is no way, they all must die". I was shocked but it made me think that there are so many people in that region and the world that feel the same way as he does that it is going to be a long and hard struggle for the entire world.

I think your highly educated and intelligent partner from Persia is being highly realistic.....sees there is no rational talk nor diplomacy that's going to change the leaders' minds about wanting us and Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

And so some would have us just sit here twiddling our thumbs, being sitting ducks.....unprepared and unarmed, waiting for the next 9-11 but worse.

This is a struggle that has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue until one side completely eliminates the other. The Muslims will not be satisfied until 100% of the world adheres to their laws and beliefs. And the Christians and Jews will never allow that to happen until they stop it or die trying. As long as any religion believes they must have everyone believe as they do, it will continue.

And for those of you who want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it, you or your children and definitely your grand children will pay the price for that folly. Everyone says it's just a few extremists who are out killing people, however the real major issues is the rest of the Muslim religion condones it and does nothing to stop it. I know several Muslims and have discussed this issue with them. And while they will say "it's awful or I would never do that" and while they actually prefer to live in peace, they believe those extremists have a right to do what they are doing. They don't encourage it, they don't engage in it, but they don't denounce it either.

A global religious war will eventually destroy our civilization as we know it.

Timothy Mcvey and the Movie shooter and the killer of the Connecticut children didn't kill in the name of God.

I am not particularly religious, but I see mostly kindness in our religious communities and gatherings here and in our culture. At least most Christians strive toward the golden rule..

I am allowed to tell you and to think whatever I want, but mostly I have lived long enough to know that extremism even in attitude is NOT good. Proud to be moderate.

Which people are you referring to as already praying? and who said anything about anyone's God being better or worse???

I was responding to the OP's question of "what to do about the violence". What are you talking about???

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While I was blathering, you were using words to say it clearly.

TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.
Put the shoe on the other foot and see how we would feel !!!! Enough to maybe start a terrorist program against the country who was using the drones---- please dont tell me who is right --- nobody is "Right" Everyone is to blame

crimes commited in the name of christianity and democracy
 

"Now having read some of the posts on this site, i feel that i have to inform the crusaders that, historically and to this day the crimes commited in the name of christianity and more recently democracy have killed more innocent civilians than any unguided terrorist or legitimate muslim army. the 1st crusade = christian army killed all civilians in jerussalem, saladin took it back later without harming civilians. Spain you mention, when spain was under islamic control all 3 of the main religions lived peacefully and spain was at its most advanced in all fields, it was the envy of europe. when the christians took it back they massacred many, look at the country its main beauty is its history.

and many of todays technological advances have evolved from the findings of muslims centuries ago, the koran didnt say the world had for corners, unlike a certain book, which is supposed to be the word of god but has 15 or so versions. the massacre of bosinians was commited by a christian army= 8000 killed many more raped in 1995 america since the end of world war have invaded more nations and killed more civilians than any muslim, 2 million in the vietnam war says a lot, 50000 in iraq. 1ST came the opression of pallestine then came the suicide bombers, 1st came the 1st gulf war and support of israel then cam 9/11, 1st came the invasion of chechniya then came the school massacre. first came the invasion of iraq then came 7/7
AND MY POINT IS THIS IF MUSLIMS HAD DONE TO THE WEST, WHAT THE WEST HAS DONE TO MUSLIMS, HOW WOULD U FEEL. CONSIDERING HOW U FEEL NOW DUE THE ACTS OF A FEW DRIVEN CRAZY BY OPPRESSION AND SEEING THIER POEPLE KILLED, ROBED AND RAPED"

crimes commited in the name of christianity and democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes


We are not so nice as we would like to believe we are... Not to mention Hitler was a Christian and had the Catholic church behind him.

Well how about ths, you don't look your age!

I was posting about the simple response of just pray as if our prayers to our Christian god has any,ore meaning than a young pakastanian father praying to his god to stop the drones from killing innocents in his country. I frankly don't see a difference. We justify our praying to stop Islamic terrorism while we continue ours.

Me too
 

You said it kiddo

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – (Muslims) must risk martyrdom and force (America) to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge (Mohammad) as (commander) or to begin drinking holy blood"

Scary stuff. Calling for martyrdom against American infidels who don't share the speaker's religious extremism.


Edit: Perhaps I should indicate that where I have utilized parentheses I have not directly quoted the original author. Further clarification to follow

Blueash. I agree. It is scary stuff. No one wants to think along those lines. People don't want to fear anyone based on religion, it just seems to be happening.

And I hope that your point is not that the JudoChristian Community here are all bad folks. It kinda feels a little like being attacked.

You took the words out of my mouth!! :clap2:

Good information - I think it is important to keep a perspective, and put ourselves in the shoes of others too.

I am not making a point... I google.. (these were just two quick googles) you come to conclusions... Interesting conclusion....

when people harken back to the crusades, it does nothing to solve the problems we have today....the crusades were fought to take back territories that were overrun by muslims to begin with...it solves nothing to bring up old hatreds....the most sensible post on here was the poster who advised us to prevent closed muslim communities on our own land where Sharia law trumps the laws of our constitution. the new immigration law allows for much broader immigration from the mideast....this is not a good idea, although i personally know a wonderful young muslim man from jordan who would love to move here for the safety of his family...each person's history must be vetted and at present we don't seem to have the system in place to do that....we have the right to maintain the western civilization of our culture in America.

talk about applying an isolated event to tar a general population......all are entitled to an opinion or "think".....and how many violent christian organizations do you really know of here in the USA??

I always enjoy when the subject of Islamic violence is raised, someone always feels obligated to present Islam is no different than the rest of religions........to me tha is nothing more than :censored: BS and pot stirring/baiting.

btk

Interesting study
 

Additional information:

Here is the full and unaltered quote, written by Peter Leithart and cited by David Lane in his article "Wage War to Restore a Christian America". Mr Lane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lane_(activist) is an activist and organizer for various "Christian" groups and their political allies.

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood"

Like I wrote, scary stuff, but coming from the American Taliban

Agree. An earlier poster noted we have a bigger stick, so lets use it....stop the PC discussions and do the work that needs to be done. If we don't have the collective stomach to profile, refuse immigration, deport, retaliate, deny aid, allow them to kill and bomb each other without our intervention, we will eventually end up like many European countries who face dire circumstances very soon.

You are correct. The more fanatical people are made to become in there religious beliefs the more violent they are. Even in Christianity, when they believe too deeply in Christianity they misinterprit the word and become violent as evidenced by the nuts that kill abortion doctors. Religion taken too literally has driven many otherwise normal folks to insanity and terribly violent acts thruout history.

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Reading many of these posts is a little scary. I am grateful that our leaders and politicians in the world try to solve things with diplomacy before resorting to war and violence. I think the tone of these postings shows the intransigence and closed mind thinking that many people give in to as they age. Thank goodness for young people, they are often more loving and more forgiving than us older folks. Our leaders need to tread carefully in these minefields of international relations. Still, I cannot forgive the many acts of terrorism that have been done by extreme Islamists. That kind of indiscriminate killing is what is so evil. Their goal is to hurt people, not to really accomplish anything. It is the cowards way to do things behind people's backs. You would think they would spend their money and energies improving their people's lives. There is so much more that could be accomplished there. Maybe leaders can arise that will see the error of these methods and begin to rebuild their countries. It happened in Northern Ireland. Who knows, maybe it can happen some day in these war wracked areas. There can always be hope that change can happen.

I have been an American Christian all of my life and have NEVER heard anything like that from any Christian I know or have read. Assuredly not always a wonderful example of my faith, but none the less a Christian.

I wish that the American people were hearing more denouncing and more disgust and more compassion from the Muslim community over the bombing in Boston.

It is frightening to me that as you become more devout and more involved you become more dangerous. A devout Muslim and a devout Christian or a devout Jew are widely separated in their beliefs in my opinion.