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BobnBev 07-17-2013 03:52 PM

What exactly is a racist?
 
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

Monkei 07-17-2013 04:12 PM

Who cares, I mean its not like its a subject that an be discussed and some sort of result happen as a result. I think the easiest definition would be treating someone of a different race differently than you would a person of a different race.

Irish Rover 07-17-2013 04:39 PM

Being a racisist these day can be "someone who gives too good a description of a person who commits a crime".

Shimpy 07-17-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Rover (Post 709860)
Being a racisist these day can be "someone who gives too good a description of a person who commits a crime".

It's like the word "prejudice" that is always being used. They say it is bad to be prejudice against someone. I'll admit, I'm prejudice against serial rapists. Does that make me a bad person?

kbace6 07-17-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

Only an individual knows what is in their own heart. I suppose if you have to ask the question, the answer is probably yes. If you're okay with the answer one way or another it doesn't matter what others think.

I do believe people can say things that someone else deems racist, but not be racist themselves. IE political correctness. Again, it depends on what is on your own heart. Only you truly know unless you vocalize it to others. Kind of like your post.

I commend you on your post. I prefer it when people speak their minds. That way at least you know what you are dealing with. I don't typically trust those who are tight lipped all the time.

Being one who is in an inter-racial marriage, when I arrive in TV I will do my very best to stay out of your eyesight so as to not make you feel uncomfortable with the view of myself and my loved one. Seeing 2 people very happy can sometimes make others feel badly about themselves.

As an FYI, I am NOT the least bit offended by your post. Some people are accepting of others and some are not. We are all different people with different points of view.

Best of luck to you with your myopia. :)

Happydaz 07-17-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

Hopefully all the anti-miscegenation laws have been removed from all our state laws by now. At one time in America it was illegal in some states to marry a person of another race. Thank goodness that our great country has moved beyond that to a more enlightened time.

JP 07-17-2013 05:09 PM

A racist is a person who has an irrational and unfounded hatred of another person or race.

njbchbum 07-17-2013 05:19 PM

lemme try - a racist would be a person who believes that their race, culture and heredity factors/influences place them above or in a place that is superior to someone of a different race with different cultural and heredity factors/influences.

i suggest you do a search on the definition of the words racist and racism and read the resulting definitions - it is enlightening to say the least! and then search the definition of bigot! wowza!

billethkid 07-17-2013 06:23 PM

a racist examples:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
and all the other race stumpers that climb out of their holes when an opportunity for lights, camera, action presents itself.

Check out their lifestyles as well you will find racists like the above are also hypocrites.

btk

janmcn 07-17-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 709924)
a racist examples:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
and all the other race stumpers that climb out of their holes when an opportunity for lights, camera, action presents itself.

Check out their lifestyles as well you will find racists like the above are also hypocrites.

btk


It will be interesting to see how racism is defined as whites become the minority. This has already happened in California. Can Florida be far behind?

eweissenbach 07-17-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 709924)
a racist examples:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
and all the other race stumpers that climb out of their holes when an opportunity for lights, camera, action presents itself.

Check out their lifestyles as well you will find racists like the above are also hypocrites.

btk

Interesting if not instructive, that you name only persons of color as examples of racism, and describe them as climbing "out of their holes". While I could agree that the two you name could legitimately be viewed as racist, there are plenty of more egregious examples among white racists. I won't name any names, but most know who they are.

Bucco 07-17-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 709948)
It will be interesting to see how racism is defined as whites become the minority. This has already happened in California. Can Florida be far behind?

How would that change the definition ?

Bucco 07-17-2013 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 709957)
Interesting if not instructive, that you name only persons of color as examples of racism, and describe them as climbing "out of their holes". While I could agree that the two you name could legitimately be viewed as racist, there are plenty of more egregious examples among white racists. I won't name any names, but most know who they are.

Your point is well taken. Problem is, as with any discussion you have, is how you frame the question.

The national discussion is pretty much a one directional thing...not that the others do not exist, but they are pretty much hidden away.

BobnBev 07-17-2013 08:00 PM

So then, my post has done what it was designed to do...
Get people talking and thinking.:blahblahblah::clap2:

cbg150 07-17-2013 08:06 PM

A person who asserts the superiority of their own race through the use of stereotypes and thinly veiled (or sometimes open) hostility toward people of a different races. There is a big difference between a racist and a civil rights leader like Jesse Jackson, Jr who may criticize specific behaviors of specific people in an effort to create awareness and a better society where we can all share the benefits of a more just society...


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TrudyM 07-17-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

Yes. A person who has a problem with people of different races getting married is a racist. You have the right to your beliefs. If you don't act on them you are closeted and not a danger. If you are rude or act against those of other races there is nothing closeted about it.

So as I am married to a Japanese Hawaiian, I guess we are not welcome in the villages by your standards. I have been assured by others that is not true so possibly you are the one who is out of step.

KeepingItReal 07-17-2013 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 709924)
a racist examples:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
and all the other race stumpers that climb out of their holes when an opportunity for lights, camera, action presents itself.

Check out their lifestyles as well you will find racists like the above are also hypocrites.

btk

This quote from long ago well describes those like Sharpton and Jackson wanting to just stir up things for their own benefit...

Booker T. Washington Quote
Quotes by Category | Quotes by Person | Quotes of the Day


"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."

by: Booker T. Washington
(1856-1915) African American political leader, educator and author


Booker Taliaferro Washington (April 5, 1856 – November 14, 1915) was an African-American educator, author, orator, and advisor to presidents of the United States. Between 1890 and 1915, Washington was the dominant leader in the US African-American community.

graciegirl 07-17-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbg150 (Post 709979)
A person who asserts the superiority of their own race through the use of stereotypes and thinly veiled (or sometimes open) hostility toward people of a different races. There is a big difference between a racist and a civil rights leader like Jesse Jackson, Jr who may criticize specific behaviors of specific people in an effort to create awareness and a better society where we can all share the benefits of a more just society...


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I think if it is sauce for the goose than it is sauce for the gander. I think that some "civil rights leaders" are doing just that.

It isn't right either way.

Irish Rover 07-17-2013 08:42 PM

I think the definition oif racist is clear to all of us but it's manipulation of the definition that's queering the deal these days. Just my humble opinion.

Warren Kiefer 07-17-2013 08:45 PM

Racist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

A racist is a person that is without reason, they have a belief that a particular race is inferior to his personal race. The degree of racism is compounded when that person practices and acts upon his racist beliefs.

What you describe as yourself is more prejudice than racism.

cbg150 07-17-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 710003)
I think if it is sauce for the goose than it is sauce for the gander. I think that some "civil rights leaders" are doing just that.

It isn't right either way.

Grace, while it may be true for some self-proclaimed "civil rights leaders", it is definitely not true for all. I have had the pleasure of meeting Jesse Jackson, and I see him as a true humanitarian. I love the following quote:
"We must all learn a good lesson - how to live together. That is the new challenge of the new world... learning to co-exist and not co-annihilate."
--Jesse Jackson





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mac9 07-17-2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 709924)
a racist examples:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
and all the other race stumpers that climb out of their holes when an opportunity for lights, camera, action presents itself.

Check out their lifestyles as well you will find racists like the above are also hypocrites.

btk

We can also add Anne Coulter and Rush Limbough to that list, or would that be offensive to you?

billethkid 07-17-2013 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 709994)
This quote from long ago well describes those like Sharpton and Jackson wanting to just stir up things for their own benefit...

Booker T. Washington Quote
Quotes by Category | Quotes by Person | Quotes of the Day


"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."

by: Booker T. Washington
(1856-1915) African American political leader, educator and author


Booker Taliaferro Washington (April 5, 1856 – November 14, 1915) was an African-American educator, author, orator, and advisor to presidents of the United States. Between 1890 and 1915, Washington was the dominant leader in the US African-American community.

How well Washington's quote above describe the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, et al.

Btk

Cedwards38 07-18-2013 04:43 AM

A racist is a person with a prejudice based on skin color or ethnicity.

Golfingnut 07-18-2013 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

no, that makes you a bigot

rubicon 07-18-2013 05:34 AM

Well if you recall Thomas Sowell's recent column you would have remember that he posted statistics that showed there were more black racist than white. So ask yourself why that is so? IMHO think Sharpton, et al.

But to the point I do not believe people dislike other people because of their color but because of their actions.

For example I am an American of Italian descent and I am incensed by the actions of those Italians that portray themselves as Guidos. Seriously! That sterotype did not exist in my neighborhood. Bon jovi made that same statement saying that it did not represent his New Jersey neighborhood . So too with black Hispanic and Asian cultures. So I believe people are mainly turned off by how these people act. Essentially its the arrogance and ignorant nature od these people

I would vote Thomas Sowell president in a New York second but Jesses Jackson never in my entire lifetime

Jessee Jackson once said that if he saw black men approaching him he would be afraid. Now we sadly finding him campaigning for justice in behalf of Trayvon Matin. It would seem according to people like him that we have not advanced on this issue since the 1960's Perhaps Jackson and Sharpton should stick their heads out of their shells and note the number of black leaders in government, military corporations and oh yea the White House.

IMHO Trayvon Martin provide an opportunity for people like Sharpton to kick up a fuss because what really is behind all of this was the Supreme courts decision recently on the Voting Rights Act, They know its time to level the play field once again but they still want it tilted in their favor.

The kicker is that their actions are opening up old wounds and that is not good for America.

I opine you decide

graciegirl 07-18-2013 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 710090)
Well if you recall Thomas Sowell's recent column you would have remember that he posted statistics that showed there were more black racist than white. So ask yourself why that is so? IMHO think Sharpton, et al.

But to the point I do not believe people dislike other people because of their color but because of their actions.

For example I am an American of Italian descent and I am incensed by the actions of those Italians that portray themselves as Guidos. Seriously! That sterotype did not exist in my neighborhood. Bon jovi made that same statement saying that it did not represent his New Jersey neighborhood . So too with black Hispanic and Asian cultures. So I believe people are mainly turned off by how these people act. Essentially its the arrogance and ignorant nature od these people

I would vote Thomas Sowell president in a New York second but Jesses Jackson never in my entire lifetime

Jessee Jackson once said that if he saw black men approaching him he would be afraid. Now we sadly finding him campaigning for justice in behalf of Trayvon Matin. It would seem according to people like him that we have not advanced on this issue since the 1960's Perhaps Jackson and Sharpton should stick their heads out of their shells and note the number of black leaders in government, military corporations and oh yea the White House.

IMHO Trayvon Martin provide an opportunity for people like Sharpton to kick up a fuss because what really is behind all of this was the Supreme courts decision recently on the Voting Rights Act, They know its time to level the play field once again but they still want it tilted in their favor.

The kicker is that their actions are opening up old wounds and that is not good for America.

I opine you decide


I am really listening to you Rubicon.

It doesn't make a nickels worth of difference to me Rubicon what color anyone is but behavior sure makes me judgmental.

I think everyone needs to behave. Sit down. Think. Get up. Work. Take care of yourself, your family. I wish we had a huge disease that made us all bright green. Then we could just have our opinions on poor behavior or good behavior.

And we are allowed opinions. It is where someone's fist ends and anothers face begins that we lose our right to respect.

tucson 07-18-2013 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 710090)
Well if you recall Thomas Sowell's recent column you would have remember that he posted statistics that showed there were more black racist than white. So ask yourself why that is so? IMHO think Sharpton, et al.

But to the point I do not believe people dislike other people because of their color but because of their actions.

For example I am an American of Italian descent and I am incensed by the actions of those Italians that portray themselves as Guidos. Seriously! That sterotype did not exist in my neighborhood. Bon jovi made that same statement saying that it did not represent his New Jersey neighborhood . So too with black Hispanic and Asian cultures. So I believe people are mainly turned off by how these people act. Essentially its the arrogance and ignorant nature od these people

I would vote Thomas Sowell president in a New York second but Jesses Jackson never in my entire lifetime

Jessee Jackson once said that if he saw black men approaching him he would be afraid. Now we sadly finding him campaigning for justice in behalf of Trayvon Matin. It would seem according to people like him that we have not advanced on this issue since the 1960's Perhaps Jackson and Sharpton should stick their heads out of their shells and note the number of black leaders in government, military corporations and oh yea the White House.

IMHO Trayvon Martin provide an opportunity for people like Sharpton to kick up a fuss because what really is behind all of this was the Supreme courts decision recently on the Voting Rights Act, They know its time to level the play field once again but they still want it tilted in their favor.

The kicker is that their actions are opening up old wounds and that is not good for America.

I opine you decide

Yes you are right.. read the column Dennis Prager wrote today on his website entitled "The Election of a Black President Has Meant Nothing" The Dennis Prager Show , it's very ironic that nothing has changed since the 1991 Crown Heights,Brooklyn "racial tensions" on Jews because of an unfortunate car accident driven by a Jewish white man that caused a black boy to die. There were serious anti-Semitic riots by mobs of blacks for 3days, here we are 22yrs later & nothing has "changed" in America, it's only getting worse re; race relations. Very sad to say.

Avista 07-18-2013 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

Then you wouldn't like my beautiful, smart biracial grandchildren whose parents have been married 17 years. :(

graciegirl 07-18-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avista (Post 710178)
Then you wouldn't like my beautiful, smart biracial grandchildren whose parents have been married 17 years. :(

Of course we would all like them. But not if they hurt the dog or got mud on my new white chairs.

All people have the same expectations in my book.

billethkid 07-18-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac9 (Post 710063)
We can also add Anne Coulter and Rush Limbough to that list, or would that be offensive to you?


not at all....everything is in the eye/mind/belief/opinions/thoughts of the beholder.....a concept foreign to far too many in this day and society that feels obligated to paint any opposition or difference with a tar brush.

We are all entitled to be right (or wrong) as the facts support (or not).

btk

Avista 07-18-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 710179)
Of course we would all like them. But not if they hurt the dog or got mud on my new white chairs.

All people have the same expectations in my book.

Trust me they are dog lovers and have rescued a beautiful lab mix. Not sure about grandson and white chairs though! :)

Golfingnut 07-18-2013 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avista (Post 710189)
Trust me they are dog lovers and have rescued a beautiful lab mix. Not sure about grandson and white chairs though! :)

LOL. If I visited a home with white furniture, I would see a non kid friendly home and keep a eye on the kids for sure. Hee hee

tucson 07-18-2013 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 709825)
Been a lot of talk here about racists. Anybody have a good definition?

I don't believe in inter-racial marriages. Hetro--Bi--Gay--lesbian--makes no difference to me.

Does that make me a closet racist?

Just curious.

Food for thought.

IMO, definition of "racist" goes back to the 1800's when the Europeans went to Africa to capture the black natives to sell as slaves in the new world (America).They held the belief that they were "inferior" to the white establishment of that time. That to me, is where the term "racism" came from. I'm glad that there are inter-racial marriages, it's hopefully creating a different mind-set to their children of equality in the races to that they'll bring into their future.

JPC55 07-18-2013 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac9 (Post 710063)
We can also add Anne Coulter and Rush Limbough to that list, or would that be offensive to you?

If they ALL would ONLY put their 'Negative' energy into 'POSITIVE energy' and work on solving issues, the country would be much better off.. Way to much NEGATIVITY and finger pointing. Leaders are not addressing the real issues that go on in our cities. This is where the focus should be.. Teaching trades, improving education, etc. at a young age.

ilovetv 07-18-2013 10:44 PM

Charles Barkley Gets It
 
Charles Barkley gets it better than a lot of the lawyers, talking heads and "reverends" do.....

Especially in what he says about the media's motives and agenda:

Charles Barkley on CNBC: Jury was right to acquit Zimmerman

blueash 07-18-2013 11:58 PM

You may not believe in interracial marriage, but it is reality. You can believe in Santa Claus and it doesn't make him real, you can not believe in marriage and it is still true that it has happened. Sorry to tell you your beliefs are errors. Proudly all of the world has moved beyond your belief system with the exception of a few who cling to their personal philosophy which almost everyone else rejects as yes racist and yes prejudiced and yes bigoted. Perhaps you will now tell us how Jews control the banks and the world via their protocols of the elders and how if only we'd never given them blacks and them women the right to vote America would still have been a great country. How anyone can read your words and not be furious and saddened at the belief you hold amazes me. I applaud those who have written that you are entitled to your opinion, but I would call you out as an evil person for spewing such an idea for discussion as if there could be two reasonable sides to the issue. If you meant it solely to stimulate controversy and you really don't support what you wrote it was still IMO shameful. Rant over

ilovetv 07-19-2013 12:18 AM

I don't agree with it, but to me, if a person thinks inter-racial marriage is wrong, "So WHAT?"

As long as they do not act upon that thought nor cause anybody harm, what's the problem with THINKING something that, to others, is viewed as mean and bigoted?

How can people claim to be liberal and open-minded and accepting/inclusive, and simultaneously call for censorship of any speech that does not agree with their own?? This is not logical!!

I don't like this Thought Police thing going on more and more lately.

mgjim 07-19-2013 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 710757)
I don't agree with it, but to me, if a person thinks inter-racial marriage is wrong, "So WHAT?"

As long as they do not act upon that thought nor cause anybody harm, what's the problem with THINKING something that, to others, is viewed as mean and bigoted?

How can people claim to be liberal and open-minded and accepting/inclusive, and simultaneously call for censorship of any speech that does not agree with their own?? This is not logical!!

I don't like this Thought Police thing going on more and more lately.

So you believe that every point of view is equally valid?

rubicon 07-19-2013 06:22 AM

ilovetv you are on to something. a priest friend of mine once long ago said the same thing. He was referring to sin and explained that while a person may thinks something if it is not followed by action then its just a thought. I suppose he mentioned this because the catholic church early on would ask church members to confess to having impure thoughts to their list of sins.

We have our preferences...my grandmother said to me once marry a nice Italian girl wherein I replied but grandma I don't know any nice Italian girls. Clearly her intentions were to preserve our heritage. so when my cousin was the first to marry a non Italian ( Russian orthodox) the family went nuts at first but quickly recovered.

My family today is a broad cross section of North South East West Europeans

But when we discuss issues such as this I believe it is important to climb above the fray and look broadly at the benefits and consequences because it removes our natural born biases allowing us to think clearly and fairly about
the human race. I had always wondered about people who did hurtful and greedy things thinking to myself these people apparently thinks they are going to live forever because why would it mean so much for them to commit such desperate acts?, etc. In the end it all doesn't matter. What is important to me is to do more good than bad. To preserve my integrity so that I can look at man in the eyes with the satisfaction that I did not betray him that I lived honestly and honorable so that in my final moment I can rest my head with contentment ready for my long sleep


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