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Monkei 07-29-2013 04:14 AM

What's all this with the dollar coin again
 
Haven't we already tried this twice before?

jblum315 07-29-2013 04:51 AM

What dollar coin?

twinklesweep 07-29-2013 05:36 AM

The only way a dollar coin would work would be if the government had the ***** to remove the paper dollar bill from circulation!!!

nitehawk 07-29-2013 06:38 AM

Bring on the dollar coin ---- no more dollar bills :pepper2:

Jim 9922 07-29-2013 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 716025)
Haven't we already tried this twice before?

CAUTION, bumblecrates at work again! Apparently they have not much else to do.

rayschic 07-29-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 716028)
What dollar coin?

According to this article, issuing a dollar coin will save taxpayers hundreds of millions per year. The dollar bill lasts less than five years in circulation, the dollar coin will last 30 years in circulation.

Dollar coin advocates renew push to replace dollar bill - Jul. 26, 2013

memason 07-29-2013 07:09 AM

The smallest Euro bill is the 5 Euro bill...everything below that is in coins. Currently, 5 Euros would be $6.65.

$1 coin would be ok; just needs to be significantly larger than a quarter...

Barefoot 07-29-2013 07:14 AM

Boring trivia ... :mornincoffee:
In Canada, we have a coin instead of a $1 bill. It's nicknamed a Loonie because the coin bears a picture of a loon. We have a coin instead of a $2 bill. Nicknamed a Toonie. (In The Villages, Canadians have started a Canadian Club which has over 600 members. It's called The Loonies and Toonies Club.)

The coins may last a long time, but they sure make your wallet heavy!

Taltarzac725 07-29-2013 07:33 AM

The US dollar coins are bulky and hard to carry around in your wallet. Maybe if they used a lighter metal and made them smaller than the quarter?

buggyone 07-29-2013 07:33 AM

Well, the Susan Anthony dollar was a failure as was the Sacajawa dollar. The silver dollar was just too big to carry around so that was a failure, too.

Keep the paper dollar. Much easier to handle.

If you have ever been to Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and tried using one of our dollar coins for a tip or small purchase, they will not accept it.

cindyj99 07-29-2013 07:50 AM

I'd rather carry around $ coins if that means saving millions and millions of dollars each year than cut another dollar for education and food for the needy to balance the budget.

tommy steam 07-29-2013 07:50 AM

When was the last time you got change back and got dollar coins?

nitehawk 07-29-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 716081)
When was the last time you got change back and got dollar coins?

Thats because we still have $1 bills - when we stop printing $1 bills you will get dollar coins and maybe two dollar coins back in change --- its about time

asianthree 07-29-2013 08:36 AM

of course your young grandchildren will think you are cheap...folding money always better than coin in kids eyes...lol

BritParrothead 07-29-2013 08:36 AM

$ coin
 
I have a Sakagawea golden coloured dollar coin. I was given it in change in Orlando about 5 years ago by a lovely Asian man, who told me not to spend it! Have kept it with other coins which will not be spent!

MikeV 07-29-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 716073)
Well, the Susan Anthony dollar was a failure as was the Sacajawa dollar. The silver dollar was just too big to carry around so that was a failure, too.

Keep the paper dollar. Much easier to handle.

If you have ever been to Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean and tried using one of our dollar coins for a tip or small purchase, they will not accept it.

I go to Cancun every September to my Time Share. When the new Dollar Coins came out I took a bunch with me to have some fun. You should have seen the looks I got from the locals when I handed them a dollar coin or two for a tip. They smiled with a funny look in their eyes thinking I gave them a quarter. When they looked at the coins it was really funny to see their reactions. It was as if they were stumped as to what they were. My wife thought I was cruel to do that but it was funny to me. Just my sense of humor I guess.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-29-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cindyj99 (Post 716080)
I'd rather carry around $ coins if that means saving millions and millions of dollars each year than cut another dollar for education and food for the needy to balance the budget.

The problem is that millions and millions of dollars while in reality is a huge amount of money, it is a drop in the bucket when compared to our debt. Also, there is nothing to guarantee that any of this saved money will go to education, food for the needy or any other of your favorite programs. If it doesn't go to paying a very small portion of the interest on the debt, it will go to some politician's pet pork barrel project. The 535 will find some way to waste it. They usually do.

That being said, I think that dollar coin is a good idea. It will save millions and millions and that's not a bad thing. And those savings will go on every year from now on. The two problems brought up on this thread need to be addressed. The coin needs to be less bulky and printing of the dollar bill needs to stop. If this is done, the bill and coin will co-exist peacefully for a few years and the coin will eventually take over. Of course, thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of bills, perhaps a million, will be saved by people hoping that they will increase in value in the future. But even a million one dollar bills is a relatively small number.

Some ideas for a coin based on some foreign currencies that I've seen: Why does it have to be round? Many countries have coins that are octagonal in shape. It could be made smaller than a quarter, bigger than a nickel and a different shape. How about a pentagon in honor of our armed forces? Another alternative is a hole in the middle. Again I've seen this in foreign currencies. It could be made round with a star shaped hole cut out. Instead of a buck we'd call it a star. (Where did the term "buck" come from anyway?)

One of the problems that will arise from this change will be that vending machines across the country will have to be altered to accept a new sized, (or shaped) coin. I don't think that would be a problem. They were changed, or are in the process of changing to accept bills.

njbchbum 07-29-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cindyj99 (Post 716080)
I'd rather carry around $ coins if that means saving millions and millions of dollars each year than cut another dollar for education and food for the needy to balance the budget.

i prefer to carry four $1 bills since they are lighter than four $1 coins; and because no one is advocating cutting any amount of money '...for education and food for the needy to balance the budget.'

regardless of the expense to the treasury dept, there is a more extensive/expensive impact on all of the businesses that would have to conform to the use of a coin rather than paper...and which cost would probably be quickly passed to consumers...from the article:
'Cash-intensive businesses would have to modify vending machines, cash register drawers and night depository equipment to accept $1 coins. Over the longer term, some businesses would have to buy coin counting and coin wrapping machines. Others would bear higher transportation and storage costs because of the heavier and bulkier coins. '

billethkid 07-29-2013 09:24 AM

did you know the last dollar coin that was cancelled remained in production after it was cancelled to honor the manufacturing contract? As a result, did you know there a billions of dollars of minted gold coins in storage? And did you know that the storage costs millions of dollars per year to lease the storage space? And finally did you know a couple of years ago they had proposed and increase in the warehouse size to accomodate future uncirculated coins to be produced? And I know you didn't know the constrction costs were to be approaching a million dollars!!!!!!

By the way that multi million annual storage fee is still being paid.....for the billions of dollars of uncirculated coins.

If the new proposal is for a new coin....then shame on everybody remotely involved. And shame on the silent, uninformed, we the people. Your REPRESENTATIVES at work fleecing America....and we the people approving it.

btk

Cedwards38 07-29-2013 09:53 AM

It's all going to be electronic at some point anyway. and then coin and currency become a moot point!

zcaveman 07-29-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 716028)
What dollar coin?

All of these posts have not answered the original question. What dollar coin are we talking about?

The government cancelled the normal distribution of the US President gold dollars to the banks so that is not them. I did see something that they were planning on putting out gold dollars with the president's wives on them but I HOPE that was a dream.

I wish the OP would enlighten us as to what brought on this thread.

BTW: I agree that the only way to get the dollar coin into circulation would be to quit printing the dollar bill. But this is a government that will not quit minting the penny and the nickel even though it cost 2.00 cents to print a penny and 10.09 cent to print a nickel.

Cost to Make Penny and Nickel Declines But Still Double Face Value | Coin Update

The US mint has stored billions of dollars of the presidential gold dollar coins because no one wants them.

U.S. Suspends Production of Presidential $1 Coins - ABC News

They should cut their losses and flood the market with the gold dollars and suspend the one dollar printing to see how it goes.

Z

jblum315 07-29-2013 11:58 AM

The U.S. mint has over a billion dollars in dollar coins sitting in bags. Nobody wants them.

Monkei 07-29-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 716155)
It's all going to be electronic at some point anyway. and then coin and currency become a moot point!

You mean sort of like that not too old movie where everyone had a bar code on their arm. In the movie it was for time you had left on this world, but I guess it could be used for cssh.

Monkei 07-29-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zcaveman (Post 716194)
All of these posts have not answered the original question. What dollar coin are we talking about?

The government cancelled the normal distribution of the US President gold dollars to the banks so that is not them. I did see something that they were planning on putting out gold dollars with the president's wives on them but I HOPE that was a dream.

I wish the OP would enlighten us as to what brought on this thread.

BTW: I agree that the only way to get the dollar coin into circulation would be to quit printing the dollar bill. But this is a government that will not quit minting the penny and the nickel even though it cost 2.00 cents to print a penny and 10.09 cent to print a nickel.


Cost to Make Penny and Nickel Declines But Still Double Face Value | Coin Update

The US mint has stored billions of dollars of the presidential gold dollar coins because no one wants them.

U.S. Suspends Production of Presidential $1 Coins - ABC News

They should cut their losses and flood the market with the gold dollars and suspend the one dollar printing to see how it goes.

Z

I thought it was pretty clear, there have been numerous articles in the news and in print about once again issuing dollar coins, in fact I think I read one article in Forbes where the coins were actually already minted. The articles were all about savings.

My post mainly questioned why try it again when it failed so badly the first two times.

I agree without a mandate to do away with the paper dollar this has very little chance in success either.

njbchbum 07-29-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 716211)
The U.S. mint has over a billion dollars in dollar coins sitting in bags. Nobody wants them.

maybe the mint should sell them on one or all of those shopping networks! ;)

DougB 07-29-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 716135)
did you know the last dollar coin that was cancelled remained in production after it was cancelled to honor the manufacturing contract? As a result, did you know there a billions of dollars of minted gold coins in storage? And did you know that the storage costs millions of dollars per year to lease the storage space? And finally did you know a couple of years ago they had proposed and increase in the warehouse size to accomodate future uncirculated coins to be produced? And I know you didn't know the constrction costs were to be approaching a million dollars!!!!!!.....

I didn't know that.

Shimpy 07-29-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cindyj99 (Post 716080)
I'd rather carry around $ coins if that means saving millions and millions of dollars each year than cut another dollar for education and food for the needy to balance the budget.

Cindy, you are obviously a female and carry a purse, so carrying coins makes no difference to you. I'm wearing shorts 99% of the time and don't want to be weighed down by heavy coins.

BobnBev 07-29-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BritParrothead (Post 716106)
I have a Sakagawea golden coloured dollar coin. I was given it in change in Orlando about 5 years ago by a lovely Asian man, who told me not to spend it! Have kept it with other coins which will not be spent!

I have 5 of them. Was gonna give 1 to each of my siblings, never got around to it.

Topspinmo 07-29-2013 09:36 PM

An't going to matter" in five years that Dollar coin will be worth penny. If they want to save money get rid of the penny! use the copper for something else, O wait pennies not made out of copper due to copper worth more than penny!

Rosie53 07-30-2013 08:10 AM

I will retire from the US Mint in 2015. I work at the West Point Mint. We do not make circulating change; we make boullion and commemorative coins. The Treasurer of the US was here yesterday and we spoke about the issue. The dollar coin would replace the dollar bill. A coin lasts much longer than a bill so it would be a savings. As a Mint employee, it would be a boon for us but not for the Bureau of Engraving and Printing which makes the paper money. Also, Congress will have to deal with the public who has expressed that they do not want to carry so much change. With the use of debit cards these days that issue may not be as important.

Bavarian 07-30-2013 12:00 PM

When I go into a bank to get money vice ATM or getting change back at a store. T hey never have any, or very few. Try to get $2.00 bills also. Want to get them into circulation.

In Europe, the Pfennig and now 1 Euro Cent are small, the penny can be made smaller and cheaper, same with Nickel if needed.

Shimpy 07-30-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 716211)
The U.S. mint has over a billion dollars in dollar coins sitting in bags. Nobody wants them.



Well, If nobody wants them I'll take them.

Barefoot 07-30-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 716211)
The U.S. mint has over a billion dollars in dollar coins sitting in bags. Nobody wants them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 716949)
Well, If nobody wants them I'll take them.

:a20:

buggyone 07-30-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 716952)
Living just a short distance from Windsor, Ontario, I've never seen anyone refuse a USD coin anywhere in Canada.

A few years ago I tried paying for a visitor fishing license at a store in Canada with Susan Anthony dollar coins and they were not accepted. The owner only wanted either US paper money or Canadian funny money. This was in a small town.

CFrance 07-30-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 716350)
Cindy, you are obviously a female and carry a purse, so carrying coins makes no difference to you. I'm wearing shorts 99% of the time and don't want to be weighed down by heavy coins.

Well, I am a female, too, and this is exactly why I do not like the dollar coin. Since they are so bulky, men end up giving them to the women to carry in their purse. We lived in a European Union country for a while, and I can testify to how d*** heavy a purse can get with those dollar coins.

Also, it's harder to separate those out from the other coins in a coin purse, when in a hurry and not trying to hold up a line, as opposed to grabbing your bills out of your wallet and separating out the ones you need.

It was a royal PIA.

Virtual Geezer 07-30-2013 07:45 PM

It will promote savings via the piggy bank or change jar. For years while I was working I would always pay for everything with folding cash. Very seldom used a credit card if at all. Every evening I would empty the change into a large piggy bank that had been in the family for 40+ years. I would just let it build up and once a year empty it, roll everything and head to the bank. Always looked odd walking into a bank carrying a brief case about an inch off the ground as it was so heavy. I still do this today and since being retired and using a credit card ($ rewards and cash rewards) it takes a lot longer to get a decent amount.

Still carry 2 Sacagawea coins around for luck and a few $2.00 bills for restaurant tips.

VG

nitehawk 07-31-2013 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 716970)
A few years ago I tried paying for a visitor fishing license at a store in Canada with Susan Anthony dollar coins and they were not accepted. The owner only wanted either US paper money or Canadian funny money. This was in a small town.

Try using Canadian funny money in the United States most all will not take---only will accept US monopoly money Sounds like the typical American traveler --- remember you are in their country --- some people hate France because they refuse to speak English. Try speaking French in the US - I rest my case -- thank you

buggyone 07-31-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nitehawk (Post 717205)
Try using Canadian funny money in the United States most all will not take---only will accept US monopoly money Sounds like the typical American traveler --- remember you are in their country --- some people hate France because they refuse to speak English. Try speaking French in the US - I rest my case -- thank you

My comment was sarcastic and hope you were not offended.

I travel to other countries frequently and have seen many acts of travelers that are amazing. Trust me, most Americans are not like that but some really are doozies.

One of the "funniest" was a group of older New York "ladies" who, after being on a walking tour of Tallin, Estonia, complained loudly that the 1,000 year old cobblestone streets should be black topped for easier walking.

downeaster 07-31-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 716123)
(Where did the term "buck" come from anyway?)

Your question piqued my curiosity so I googled "dollar buck" and came up with a lot of answers such as:

"Though some believe that the term buck for an American dollar originated from the use of silver dollars for bucks `markers used in poker,' others believe that the term buck `dollar' originated due to the fact that buckskins were used in trade, as a form of money, in early America. The term buck was then transferred to currency. If that is the case, then the buck used in poker got its name from the buck `dollar' used as a marker in the game. Unfortunately, no one knows the true answer with certainty." My emphasis.

Villages PL 08-01-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 716155)
It's all going to be electronic at some point anyway. and then coin and currency become a moot point!

How would you buy vegetables at a roadside stand or vegetable market? How would you pay the kid next door to cut your grass?


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