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Karron 09-30-2013 07:38 PM

This news surprises me!
 
I found 19 Registered Sex Offenders within 3 miles of my home!:cry::cry:
(The Villages, safe??)

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-30-2013 07:43 PM

I think that you'd probably find that no matter where you live. When was the last time you heard of a sex crime being committed in the Villages.

Sex offenders can be a lot of different things. Did you know for example if a 17 year old boy has consensual sex with a girl under the age of 14, he can be convicted of statutory rape and have to be registered as a sex offender.

I think that the Villages are one of the safest communities in the United States and I think that statistics will back that up.

redwitch 09-30-2013 07:49 PM

Not all sexual offenses are equal nor should all offenses require one to register as an offense. I know of a man who had consensual sex with his 15 YO girl friend when he was 19. He was charged with statutory rape and now must register for the rest of his life. He and his "girl friend" just celebrated their 30th wedding anniversary.

Also, be sure you're using a police website, not one labeled as "sex offenders." One such site showed three "offenders" living in the lake/golf course off of Enrique.

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 07:50 PM

yeah, well pull that offender list up anywhere and weep. as an expert in child sexual abuse, I assure you there's likely a perp walking down most streets. TV isn't immune but we are probably well under average for offenders in the population.

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 755268)
Not all sexual offenses are equal nor should all offenses require one to register as an offense. I know of a man who had consensual sex with his 15 YO girl friend when he was 19. He was charged with statutory rape and now must register for the rest of his life. He and his "girl friend" just celebrated their 30th wedding anniversary.

Also, be sure you're using a police website, not one labeled as "sex offenders." One such site showed three "offenders" living in the lake/golf course off of Enrique.

Yeah, Dee, I did mental health in a prison with 18 yo men who unluckily had their birthday after their 17 yo girlfriend got pregnant.
thanks for the post..
Kitty

senior citizen 09-30-2013 07:53 PM

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BettyCrocked 09-30-2013 07:56 PM

The site gives the exact charge. None in my area were statutory.

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 07:58 PM

Typical Sexual offender: stepfather, father, uncle.
 
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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755274)
I found a whole slew of them four years ago when I began looking.

It is scary if you have visiting grandchildren....or expect to have any child at all visiting. Can't be too safe nowadays. We do need to protect out children from these predators. If you read the explicit details, most have been accused of acts with underaged minors. Most look like dirty old men.

I do recall they all looked pretty seedy looking.........the last time I viewed the site......again, I haven't looked in awhile...........but I totally "get" where you are coming from. I guess predators age and retire just like the rest of us..........but it is too close for comfort. I checked our various towns up here and there were not as many as in THE VILLAGES.

Some have suggested that they came to live with their "parents".....well, the ones I saw way back then....must have had parents as old as Methuselah. Many were repeat offenders. I'll have to check it out again.

please don't count on seedy looking dirty old men as a way of protecting your little ones. offenders come in every package and are USUALLY trusted family members. you won't believe me...but it's nevertheless true.

ilovetv 09-30-2013 07:59 PM

This is a good site for seeing registered sex offenders. Results can be seen by List or by Map by clicking that above the address you put in to search on.

National Sex Offender Registry - Family Watchdog

This site is good for listing all arrests chronologically and they are mapped:

SpotCrime Crime Map

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:02 PM

thanks ILT..those are good to know.

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyCrocked (Post 755278)
The site gives the exact charge. None in my area were statutory.

it can be charged as battery on a minor.

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprinkler Buddy (Post 755284)
Those that have been caught don't come close to the # of those that haven't. Always keep your guard up no matter where you reside.

don't get me started.

senior citizen 09-30-2013 08:05 PM

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Karron 09-30-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyCrocked (Post 755278)
The site gives the exact charge. None in my area were statutory.

Yes... this site gives the charge & sentence of each offender....
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senior citizen 09-30-2013 08:07 PM

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kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:13 PM

TV safer than where the grandchildren live?
 
your family are likely safer here than wherever they live. who is sticking up for a predator? nobody...you're misreading that...this is my field of professional expertise so don't mess with me on this.
Nobody is defending offenders...you missed the detail on that, so who cares?

Your family are safer in TV than wherever they are from.
My point is just this: offenders are everywhere and there are fewer of them here than where your grands live. go check that out and tell me if that's right.

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755289)
Registered sex offenders in The Villages, Florida - crimes listed, registry-based, living in this city

Excuse me. Child (children) under age 12. Child (children) under age 16.
Only parents and grandparents should be outraged?
Obviously, we are not the liberal left.
None of these seemed to be "dating" situations.....

There are other sites with their pictures.....but this was the first one that came up.

It has their addresses.........they all seem to be congregated in one section of The Villages.

For the most part anyway...........thanks to the OP for posting this again.....

I'll look up the other sites in a bit.

We have a nineteen year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
We have an eight year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
We have a 12 year old grand son, ditto.
We have a two year old grand daughter who will be visiting
We have an almost one year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
With more babies on the way........
Obviously, they will not be roaming unattended in that neighborhood.
But things happen...........in parks, playgrounds.....etc.
Children are abducted and murdered every day in the U.S.....all over.

Why does everyone always stick up for the predators?


senior citizen 09-30-2013 08:20 PM

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gpirate 09-30-2013 08:34 PM

Here is crime rates for TV versus Fl. and natl average.
The Villages, FL Crime Rates & Statistics

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755298)
P.S. I forgot to mention to "scroll down" on that list of predators.

Actually, the graph shows many many others in surrounding towns which border The Villages......too many for peace of mind.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as everyone else is.

I'm not messing with you. Why on earth would anyone want to do that?

We are just concerned parents/grandparents.....as any intelligent person would be. Anyone who has children or has grandchildren know what truly innocent beautiful God given gifts they are.........and these low lifes are just too close for comfort. It's common sense.

Common sense means that your grands are likely safer here than they were at home. Have you checked their homes for nearby offenders? I hope you will be comforted by knowing you are bringing them to a SAFER land than where they live. If that isn't true, let us see the stats...

Bogie Shooter 09-30-2013 08:38 PM

Not the first post on this topic.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...orhoods-86645/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...fenders-84096/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...-county-47073/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...egistry-44846/

ilovetv 09-30-2013 08:40 PM

The search results in the Spot Crime site are telling, as to where the arrests are concentrated, and what their severity level is.....

SpotCrime Crime Map

Bogie Shooter 09-30-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755289)
Registered sex offenders in The Villages, Florida - crimes listed, registry-based, living in this city

Excuse me. Child (children) under age 12. Child (children) under age 16.
Only parents and grandparents should be outraged?
Obviously, we are not the liberal left.
None of these seemed to be "dating" situations.....

There are other sites with their pictures.....but this was the first one that came up.

It has their addresses.........they all seem to be congregated in one section of The Villages.

For the most part anyway...........thanks to the OP for posting this again.....

I'll look up the other sites in a bit.

We have a nineteen year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
We have an eight year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
We have a 12 year old grand son, ditto.
We have a two year old grand daughter who will be visiting
We have an almost one year old grand daughter who will be visiting.
With more babies on the way........
Obviously, they will not be roaming unattended in that neighborhood.
But things happen...........in parks, playgrounds.....etc.
Children are abducted and murdered every day in the U.S.....all over.

Why does everyone always stick up for the predators?

p.s. We also have a three year old niece who will be visiting along with her six year old brother.
All of these kids mentioned above are adorable children.............with upstanding family members.
It's the creeps on the sex offender list I'd be concerned about.......whether or not anyone else loves children, they need to be protected from these low lifes.

If you are so concerned, why in the world would you post all of this personal information?
BTW what does the liberal left have to do with it?

kittygilchrist 09-30-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 755309)
The search results in the Spot Crime site are telling, as to where the arrests are concentrated, and what their severity level is.....

SpotCrime Crime Map

that's old info and only covers the north...BUT good to know.

senior citizen 09-30-2013 08:45 PM

A date ? What 11 year old goes on a date with this first guy?
 
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senior citizen 09-30-2013 09:09 PM

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Barefoot 09-30-2013 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755289)
Why does everyone always stick up for the predators?

Everyone always sticking up for predators? I don't see that happening here, not a bit.

Patty55 09-30-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755298)

We are just concerned parents/grandparents.....as any intelligent person would be. Anyone who has children or has grandchildren know what truly innocent beautiful God given gifts they are.........and these low lifes are just too close for comfort. It's common sense.

Oh, the low life's are much closer than you think. Generally, these people are in a position of trust. Look around, it's the teachers, the scout leaders, your children's friends goofy uncle. Rarely is it a stranger.

I have found the most common offenders are within the family. The grandparents, cousins and uncles. This is also the most under-reported.

We all had this same conversation not too long ago with the same outrage and drama. If anyone feels safer where they currently are, maybe they should stay there.

I just hope that the RSO is not the new dog poop, I hope that people who view the raw data and don't have the ability to discern what they see don't use that data to blanket this entire community as predators.

senior citizen 10-01-2013 05:55 AM

Free speech and freedom of the press
 
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kittygilchrist 10-01-2013 06:05 AM

Thank you for taking the time to express your dismay over how times have changed. When I was growing up we didn't lock the door and although we lived on a highway, nobody worried about me being abducted from the yard where I ran barefoot, or even when I put on shoes and crossed the road to the woods, alone, to climb my favorite tree, nobody worried. and my mother was big on worry.

skip0358 10-01-2013 06:13 AM

I know when the Grand Children come to visit MOST of the time the Grand Parents are around but here's something that's always bothered me. We go to the family pool when they're here and there is no way of knowing IF one of those people visiting the pool is a sex offender. There is no key swipe and even if there were your cards aren't marked to show you don't belong there. I always when they're here keep an extra watchful eye out as should we all whether they're our kids or not.There was an attack in the Villages about 1 1/2 years ago in the park by Sonny's the man was caught and charged. JMO

senior citizen 10-01-2013 06:15 AM

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senior citizen 10-01-2013 06:17 AM

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redwitch 10-01-2013 06:27 AM

Sadly, predators are everywhere. Always have been, always will be. One in three women over the age of 60 have been sexually molested. One in five over 60 molested before they were 10 years old. Our world was just as unsafe as this world is -- it just wasn't reported back then. (Don't know the statistics for men but wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were similar for under 10.) If a woman was raped, she was blamed for being out, wearing the wrong clothes, etc. If Uncle John molested a child, the child was usually convinced to not tell their parents and if the parents found out, there was too much shock and shame that it was someone they trusted to be with their child that had harmed their child.

The Villagers is bound to have some predators both of children and adults. It's too large of a community to not have them. Any parent or grandparent who doesn't watch their kids is being negligent at best. At the same time, I wouldn't hesitate to let my grandson play outside with me just watching from the window here. At the squares, I am with him at all times and he is no more than a hand grasp away from me -- even when we're dancing. It would be the same regardless of where I lived.

We need to be diligent in protecting ourselves and our families. This doesn't mean we have to be paranoid and afraid of every shadow. Be aware that bad things happen to good people but don't let that fact rule your life.

graciegirl 10-01-2013 06:37 AM

Registered sex offenders in Vermont

Vermont has about 625 thousand total population as of latest figures.

I would hazard a guess that the same percentage of residents in Vermont are sex offenders as anywhere else.

Most sex offenses are committed by someone known to the victim.

http://csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

Bogie Shooter 10-01-2013 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755411)
Thank you for sharing that.

I just "went back" and reread the posts from this past August 2013

As we were preparing to leave on a family reunion vacation during that time period.........I never got the chance, back in August, to read those last posts............wow. Sounds like a bunch of middle school (Junior high) school gals......a clique of sorts.

Hey, for years we thought our little town in Vermont was the perfect utopia to raise a family.......and it was. But times change. All over.

A week ago, our cops and detectives and state police cooperating with the state of Vermont drug task force....had a "second sweep" of heroin and cocaine and meth "DEALERS".....low and middle level sellers......the first sweep was back on January 16 and a BIG one whereby they rounded up, wearing S.W.A.T. gear, helicopter overhead......between 40 to 50 DRUG DEALERS and booked them all the same day. This time it was under 20.

They were "selling" near a school and right in the center of "downtown".
Our cops use undercover cop informants to buy the drugs, etc.
The rest is history.

Our cops are on the ball and trying to "get back our community" from the ones who come up from the cities to infiltrate our community and get the kids hooked on drugs. I'm paraphrasing what the police chief of our town and the state police say in our newspapers.

The cops make no secret about the fact that these druggies see Vermont as a soft target and are here to get kids hooked....they are always making statements to be printed in our newspaper.......or t.v. news.

It's no secret. No one up here keeps secrets. No town is perfect.

But this town was as close as perfect as you are going to get, once upon a time..........we don't have our heads in the sand and we don't do a mass marketing "coverup".........it is what it is. This was a "Leave it to Beaver" kind of town.....thankfully, our children got off to a very good start in a safe environment and were able to walk to everything....parents were not fearful at all then.....there was nothing to fear.

Again, it's different lately.

They even printed all their MUG SHOTS.......on our online newspaper.

Young girls, young men......middle aged guys and one middle aged woman. All Vermonters or transplants to Vermont......except for the kingpin drug dealers who came up from the city and stand out like a sore thumb up here...........

No one in our town will DENY that there has been a HUGE SEA CHANGE in the town dynamics.........this is why the cops are so gung ho on ridding out town of this scum..........right now most of the new ones are in jail........on high bail. Two of them were also arrested back on Jan. 16.

The lesser ones were let out; long story...........but our crime rate "statistics" have GONE UP since these two drug raids............but the oldtimers in our town and other towns across Vermont...........who remember the old days.......are GLAD the cops are on the ball.

Our police chief is a young 40 something dad with a family and little kids of his own........he remembers how his childhood was and wants the same for his children.

It's crossed my mind, and I've discussed this with my husband, that our property values will not increase favorably due to these two drug raids which were BIG NEWS. I can go to the statistics and see how our rating has changed.

But people moving into town with young children do have a "need to know"..........this is all called free speech and freedom of the press.

There actually were a few (three to be exact) "attempted break ins" of homes on the street above us, in back of us (our neighborhood is terraced on hills).......two of which were doctor's homes and one a realtor's home.

The "perps" would call the house to ask if a special delivery package could be delivered........just to see if anyone was home. In one of the doctor's homes, his adult son was there alone, visiting.........and called the police.

Our states attorney, a neighbor of ours, is aware of this and all of the people have been told by our mail lady who delivers to our mailboxes at the end of our driveways........it's a grapevine......she said "arrests are imminent".........two days later the big drug raid occurred (last week)....

SO IT HAPPENS.....crime is among us. We all know it.
Not happy. But no one would ever deny it....or "make jokes about it".

NOT ONE PERSON demeans or belittles others for their concern.
Our entire town is concerned.......

The ones of us who have been neighbors in this community for 43 years and who have raised our children together, are NOT HAPPY with the turn of events.........but again, our heads are not in the sand. We don't make lightly of it BECAUSE our police are not making lightly of it. They are saying exactly what the problem is and it's a HUGE PROBLEM.

Now, the drug kingpin , from January, is getting three years in jail and then will be returned to New York City to do more time there. Townspeople are up in arms , saying it is too light of a sentence, but it costs a small fortune, in this small state, to keep a perp incarcerated in Vermont.

SO, NO SECRETS UP HERE........why is that?

We would also be concerned to have so many sex perverts in our midst.
Especially those who prey on children.

Thanks for reposting all of those hyperlinks from the recent past.......
Appreciate it.

p.s.
In reading of teenaged girls in cars who "ran into an open garage in TV" and stole golf clubs........I was just telling a doctor friend of ours about what happened to us earlier this past summer.......I was at my desk and happened to look out the window............two teenagers, in black hoodies, one a girl (I think) and one a guy......were crouching low and walking hunched over and peering into the window.........they were beyond our deck.........but still walking on our property too close to the house and looking into the windows..........we made eye contact. To be that close to the house, they had to walk past our three season sun porch from left to right............they gave me the creeps. The girl had red hair hanging out of her hoody. I went into our garage to tell my husband but by the time he had gone around to the back, they were already through the tree line.

We kind of know "who they belong to" as there are twins at the end of the cul de sac........one of which is "bad news" with mental issues, who we've been warned about for decades.....since he was little, by another neighbor who is a sheriff......and other neighbors who have experienced his outbursts........he's been in mental hospitals......he's an ADULT in his early twenties but still living with his parents.......the cops are always coming to their home to break up fights .................anyway, all of these "kids" need money to support their drug habits........right around that time, they were arresting other teens for stealing from local merchants during night time break ins............lately several jewelry stores and craft places have been broken into via smash and grab, even with security alarms.........

IT HAPPENS.........

Our N.J. family members would come up to Vermont every single weekend and then tell us "You don't live in the real world up here".....meaning the low crime, etc.......or non existent crime.....at that time. But times have changed.

And yes, when I compared the crime rate in The Villages Florida to the crime in our town..........which has a population of slightly under 16,000 people and is not an exit off a highway......but surrounded by the Green Mountain Forest and farmlands.......we are higher. TV is lower.

I speak the truth. I don't care for demeaning, submissive remarks from cliques....that should be mature women but act like school girls.

All of this "information" does what? Take any community in the US and one could say the same thing. Your inferences about TV that are referenced by what has or has not happened in your community are irrelevant. Warning villagers or future villagers about the "safe zones" and places to "watch out for" are creating unnecessary worry. All this coming from a non-Village resident.

senior citizen 10-01-2013 07:02 AM

Desensitized to criminal activity
 
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graciegirl 10-01-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755453)
This is kind of a P.S. to my earlier this morning post re freedom of speech and freedom of the press regarding criminal types in one's home town.

I forgot to mention that in our small town DAILY newspaper which we all get by 4 a.m. each morning..........they print on page two all of the court information......including the arrests of the day before, the trial convictions, etc. and so forth.

Whereby years ago, one NEVER saw so many "boyfriends" of moms of little kids...being arrested and convicted for child molestation, it is now a daily occurrence.

It seems they hook up with these young women to get to the children.......and then they all claim "I was drunk; don't know how I ended up with the child"....blah blah blah.........

Ditto for domestic violence against women. Boyfriend / girlfriend abuse.

Society has changed.........no doubt about it. Our town has changed.

T.V. and movies probably contribute to crime as well.

We can watch shows like Dexter, Breaking Bad and Criminal Minds and certainly are not going to go out and follow suit.......but kids who were brought up on violent movies and t.v. shows, may become desensitized...

My kids watched THE WALTONS and LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE.

My dad controlled the television set and he liked westerns like Bonanza with Little Joe Cartwright.......and VICTORY AT SEA...etc. We got to watch Superman on Saturdays and Rama of the Jungle. Sky King. Captain Video.
I had a little brother.

Because of freedom of speech and freedom of the press, we all know what's going on in our town. I think all papers should print the truth. Not only what is happening in our town but in the surrounding areas as well............and it does. Our young reporters and journalists are spot on as far as digging up the dirt.

I too remember a simpler childhood.......where noone ever heard of a child being abducted or molested..........our parents gave us the freedom to roam......so either they also were not concerned..........or else they were hoping to get rid of us. But, no one bothered to harm us in any way.
We talk about this all the time............no one remembers any kids being abducted way back when (in the cave man days)........when we were reading Dick and Jane........and Sally.


I think the point is being missed. I think the point has well been made by many posts before this one.

Sex offenders are generally people known to the victim.

The people who live here know and report the things happening here. We do not live in an inferior information gathering climate. We have the same level of information about this area as any other area in the U.S.

I do not think that summaries can be made by people who do not live here.

EVERYONE should pay careful attention to children at all times. Unfortunately, blood relatives too often commit sex offenses.

This place is as safe as any place in the U.S. I think it is safer than most.

If you will look at my previous post on this thread I have posted a good link to "MYTHS ABOUT SEX OFFENDERS.".

senior citizen 10-01-2013 07:22 AM

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Bogie Shooter 10-01-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 755468)
Believe me, we are not paranoid.

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Yes, I would want to know if a group of perverts are renting a home or homes in the vicinity where we would be buying a home in TheVillages.

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What if you did buy a house in TV. And then 6 months later, as you say, a pervert moves in next door. What do you do then? Just sayin..................

DaleMN 10-01-2013 07:33 AM

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