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Captainhil 11-09-2013 12:30 PM

Community Gardens
 
Is anyboby interested to establish a community garden in The Villages where we can raise organic fruits & vegetables ?
I am willing to start a signature petition.
If only 1% of our community wants one, that constitutes 1,000 plots.
If The Villages are going to be the healthiest town in Florida,then we need something like that.

Love2Swim 11-09-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Captainhil (Post 777165)
Is anyboby interested to establish a community garden in The Villages where we can raise organic fruits & vegetables ?
I am willing to start a signature petition.
If only 1% of our community wants one, that constitutes 1,000 plots.
If The Villages are going to be the healthiest town in Florida,then we need something like that.

Where can I sign up? Perhaps a letter to some of the gardening clubs might help generate interest.

Country Dreamer 11-09-2013 02:49 PM

I would definitely be interested. I miss my organic garden up north.

casita37 11-09-2013 03:06 PM

I'm interested.

logdog 11-09-2013 03:13 PM

There already is a community garden in TV near the wood working shop but I believe it's mostly for charity.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...-garden-12569/

Love2Swim 11-10-2013 07:08 AM

Its a nice large garden, but as you say its for charity. I'm sure there are many residents here who would be interested in small private plots where they could grow their own vegetables. I've read that some cities provide them for their citizens for a yearly fee that covers expenses such as providing water. I'd be willing to pay a modest fee if I could have access to a plot of land with watering capabilities.

Blessed2BNTV 11-10-2013 07:24 AM

Count us in!

mulligan 11-10-2013 07:28 AM

Unless you are willing to travel outside the villages, where would you propose to put this garden? Somehow, I can't see the developer giving up any land suitable for gardening.

kittygilchrist 11-10-2013 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 777460)
Unless you are willing to travel outside the villages, where would you propose to put this garden? Somehow, I can't see the developer giving up any land suitable for gardening.

I thought Capt Hil was pretty clear that he is considering a petition to the developer. It's a grand idea, and it might catch on because it's loaded with positive media ops in addition to being a darn good idea. Hil is thoroughly a health nut and one who can lead a charge up the hill. (sorry about the Hil-hill thing...I got carried away...)

Bogie Shooter 11-10-2013 08:22 AM

Right now there is a group looking for land to build a track for remote cars. Recreation dept is looking for a site. There is your competition.
Off-sit would probably work.

LyndaS 11-10-2013 08:29 AM

I would love an area to do some organic gardening. Might there be some sort of tax benefit for the developer for “agricultural use” of a piece of land that he is not currently using?

graciegirl 11-10-2013 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LyndaS (Post 777503)
I would love an area to do some organic gardening. Might there be some sort of tax benefit for the developer for “agricultural use” of a piece of land that he is not currently using?


He does have land that I would guess is in "agricultural use" but the rigamarole that I envision from just reading this forum would be a huge challenge.

For instance;

water usage.
He overwatered and it drained unto my plot and killed my radishes.

property rights.
She tramped through my spring lettuce.

Dogs and pets.
They brought their dog and he/she watered my asparagus.

Community interaction
They planted mint and it has overtaken my sweet corn.

General angst.
Their sweet corn is shading my tomatoes.
Their garlic stinks.
They throw their compost in the trash. Compost is for compost.
They don't weed.
Someone picked my tomatoes.

I think Gary Morse is VERY, very wise.

Bogie Shooter 11-10-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 777519)
He does have land that I would guess is in "agricultural use" but the rigamarole that I envision from just reading this forum would be a huge challenge.

For instance;

water usage.
He overwatered and it drained unto my plot and killed my radishes.

property rights.
She tramped through my spring lettuce.

Dogs and pets.
They brought their dog and he/she watered my asparagus.

Community interaction
They planted mint and it has overtaken my sweet corn.

General angst.
Their sweet corn is shading my tomatoes.
Their garlic stinks.
They throw their compost in the trash. Compost is for compost.
They don't weed.
Someone picked my tomatoes.

I think Gary Morse is VERY, very wise.

Gracie, I think you nailed it!

Ecuadog 11-10-2013 10:41 AM

Hey... maybe I could grow some herb for my glaucoma.

Love2Swim 11-10-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LyndaS (Post 777503)
I would love an area to do some organic gardening. Might there be some sort of tax benefit for the developer for “agricultural use” of a piece of land that he is not currently using?

I don't know about that, but I have read of and seen many of these gardens during our travels. Generally people pay an annual fee, so there would be no cost to the Developer. Below is a link to community gardens in Vancouver. They are overseen by local community groups (our garden clubs perhaps?), not by the City, so any complaints are handled by the group in charge. It would be nice if the idea were given a chance. In Vancouver, there are many more applicants to have one of the spots in the gardens, than there is space available. In other words, they are very popular. I suspect the same would hold true here.


http://vancouver.ca/people-programs/community-gardens.aspx

Madelaine Amee 11-10-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 777642)
I don't know about that, but I have read of and seen many of these gardens during our travels. Generally people pay an annual fee, so there would be no cost to the Developer. Below is a link to community gardens in Vancouver. They are overseen by local community groups (our garden clubs perhaps?), not by the City, so any complaints are handled by the group in charge. It would be nice if the idea were given a chance. In Vancouver, there are many more applicants to have one of the spots in the gardens, than there is space available. In other words, they are very popular. I suspect the same would hold true here.

Join a community garden in your neighbourhood | City of Vancouver

Several years ago, a local land owner approached Garden Club North with this very idea of providing land for a community garden. He was prepared to remove the grass, divide the area into parcels and provide water for a very reasonable fee, and I cannot remember what that amount was; but, there were no takers for his suggestion, the main reason being it was not golf cart accessible! The Garden Club North may still have his information if anyone would like to open this idea again.

If you have tried organic gardening in Florida you will know it is very difficult, the bugs in Florida are very different from the bugs in the Northern States.

Love2Swim 11-10-2013 12:30 PM

Golf cart accessible surely would be desirable. There are organizations that assist those setting up community gardens, rules, and so on. If there was enough interest, there might be organic community gardens, along with non-organic.

TrudyM 11-10-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 777652)
Several years ago, a local land owner approached Garden Club North with this very idea of providing land for a community garden. He was prepared to remove the grass, divide the area into parcels and provide water for a very reasonable fee, and I cannot remember what that amount was; but, there were no takers for his suggestion, the main reason being it was not golf cart accessible! The Garden Club North may still have his information if anyone would like to open this idea again.

If you have tried organic gardening in Florida you will know it is very difficult, the bugs in Florida are very different from the bugs in the Northern States.

There was one in my mom and dads retirement town in south Florida but if you wanted to spray your patch you could, so long as it didn't affect the neighbors plot. Mom had her more sensitive to bug stuff in the middle so she could hit it if needed and was careful of what she used. I also seem to remember lots of slug drowning beer traps were needed. Totally Organic was not required but then that was years ago when people were less aware of the harm.

Peachie 11-10-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 777519)
He does have land that I would guess is in "agricultural use" but the rigamarole that I envision from just reading this forum would be a huge challenge.

For instance;

water usage.
He overwatered and it drained unto my plot and killed my radishes.

property rights.
She tramped through my spring lettuce.

Dogs and pets.
They brought their dog and he/she watered my asparagus.

Community interaction
They planted mint and it has overtaken my sweet corn.

General angst.
Their sweet corn is shading my tomatoes.
Their garlic stinks.
They throw their compost in the trash. Compost is for compost.
They don't weed.
Someone picked my tomatoes.

I think Gary Morse is VERY, very wise.

I think this is a very wise observation, Gracie. You have a very keen mind for business decisions!

Happydaz 11-10-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecuadog (Post 777577)
Hey... maybe I could grow some herb for my glaucoma.

Equadog I think this is a very wise observation. I think you nailed it!

Love2Swim 11-10-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TrudyM (Post 777672)
There was one in my mom and dads retirement town in south Florida but if you wanted to spray your patch you could, so long as it didn't affect the neighbors plot. Mom had her more sensitive to bug stuff in the middle so she could hit it if needed and was careful of what she used. I also seem to remember lots of slug drowning beer traps were needed. Totally Organic was not required but then that was years ago when people were less aware of the harm.

Community gardens have been successfully in existence for some time now in many cities throughout the country. For it to happen here, I believe you need three things: 1. A community group willing to handle oversight of the planning, development and construction of said garden(s); land with watering capability and golf cart accessible must be secured; there has to be a demonstrated need/desire by a large enough group of residents for it to happen. Once completed it would be a thing of beauty that could be another feather in the Developer's cap as far as showing off the benefits of The Villages as a forward thinking retirement community.

Happydaz 11-10-2013 02:15 PM

I would think that if community gardens have been successful all over the USA they coukd be successful here as well. People can and do work together to accomplish shared goals. I am sure that there will be obstacles along the way but with a positive attitude much can be accomplished. A good starting point may be to see exactly how other communities put it all together. As a gardener, myself, I can see that Florida conditions will impose some tough challenges, but what gardener is not up to the quest!

Love2Swim 11-10-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 777725)
I would think that if community gardens have been successful all over the USA they coukd be successful here as well. People can and do work together to accomplish shared goals. I am sure that there will be obstacles along the way but with a positive attitude much can be accomplished. A good starting point may be to see exactly how other communities put it all together. As a gardener, myself, I can see that Florida conditions will impose some tough challenges, but what gardener is not up to the quest!

I like your optimism Happydaz!

kittygilchrist 11-10-2013 04:31 PM

Has anybody gotten an idea like this supported before? How do you go about it? Is a petition the right direction?

ricklowe 11-10-2013 07:34 PM

I have a garden center on 301 and 466, i'd be interested in helping. I have a total 13 acres and would be willing to host events as well as allow sections to be used for organic gardening. the property is irrigated and ready for your suggestions!

bkcunningham1 11-10-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ricklowe (Post 777891)
I have a garden center on 301 and 466, i'd be interested in helping. I have a total 13 acres and would be willing to host events as well as allow sections to be used for organic gardening. the property is irradiated and ready for your suggestions!

There you go guys! Unbelievably generous offer ricklowe. What is the name of your garden center? I can't place it on 301 and 466. Regardless, I hope this works for the people who don't want to garden on Rolling Acres for the soup kitchen and food pantry. This could be wonderful for them. Thank you, ricklowe.

ricklowe 11-10-2013 07:46 PM

I have a 3 acre garden center with an additional 10 acres of irrigated land on 301 just south of 466. it would be a perfect location with existing infrastructure to start a community program like this. I've wanted to host something like this for years. If anyone is interested is pursuing this further please feel free to contact me.

njbchbum 11-10-2013 07:52 PM

Would I be correct or incorrect to assume [and I hate doing that] that the property you offer is not golf cart accessible?

If it is not, how close can one get before they have to go on foot to the location?

ricklowe 11-10-2013 07:59 PM

Exterior spaces 11031 n hwy 301 it's about 1/2 mile south of 466 on the East side.. The villages bought the property across the street and will start developing 542 homes for people who work in the villages. The only down side is that there is no golf cart access.

i'm not interested in making money on this I think it would be fun and also be a great worthwhile program!

ricklowe 11-10-2013 08:01 PM

i'm about 1 mile from the buffalo ridge Walmart

ricklowe 11-10-2013 08:04 PM

I could also see a farmers market that would somehow help people in need. Just a thought.

graciegirl 11-10-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ricklowe (Post 777908)
I could also see a farmers market that would somehow help people in need. Just a thought.


What a great guy.

I can't see why golf cart accessible would be a great problem.

Good for you.

kittygilchrist 11-10-2013 10:07 PM

I'm over-celebrating. This is the OP's first post and look at how this thread took wings! Hil's one of our newbie singles and my neighbor in Gilchrist, and he is teaching me some things about raw and organic nutrition. I hope the offer of a plot works out..totally awesome, RickLowe!

KathieI 11-10-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ricklowe (Post 777908)
I could also see a farmers market that would somehow help people in need. Just a thought.

Rick, are you the farmer that has "pick your own tomatoes" in early summer? It was near the Walmart on 466. I heard that was a fantastic thing, many of my local friends went there and picked a bunch of delicious tomatoes.

Nice thing for you to offer us, I'd like it would be interested. I did a lot of gardening while in Los Angeles, and it was very challenging to have it be totally organic with all the bugs and stuff that happen in warm climate areas. Florida is also very wet and humid and I'm not sure what problems that would entail. Thanks again for your offer.

kittygilchrist 11-11-2013 07:45 AM

bump

ricklowe 11-11-2013 09:32 AM

no, my place is on 301 less than a mile from buffalo ridge Walmart to the South of 466. I've talked to several produce markets over the last 6 months regarding opening a new location. I've had special events there over the years with thousands attending. Next year i'll be hosting food and wine events as well I think having TV residence growing organic produce fall directly in line with my future plans i'd love to not only use some of the property for this purpose but help manage it as well!

Happydaz 11-11-2013 10:11 AM

Rick that is a wonderful idea to offer some land for gardening. You certainly got me thinking. I am new to vegetable gardening in Florida. I have a lot of learning to do. I could see growing lettuce, radishes, cabbage, broccoli, etc., in the fall and winter. Summer seems problematic as the tomatoes we grew up north didn't set fruit when the temperatures got up high in the nineties. Maybe you know of varieties that can grow here successfully in the summer. A plot around 10 by 10 feet would be good for me. I am still entertaining thoughts on this. We will have to see what others think.

KathieI 11-11-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 778156)
Rick that is a wonderful idea to offer some land for gardening. You certainly got me thinking. I am new to vegetable gardening in Florida. I have a lot of learning to do. I could see growing lettuce, radishes, cabbage, broccoli, etc., in the fall and winter. Summer seems problematic as the tomatoes we grew up north didn't set fruit when the temperatures got up high in the nineties. Maybe you know of varieties that can grow here successfully in the summer. A plot around 10 by 10 feet would be good for me. I am still entertaining thoughts on this. We will have to see what others think.

I'm in too.. Love the idea. My only disappointment with my house is that I can't have my garden, this is the 2nd best thing to it. Thanks Rick.

Happy, we could never grow the wonderful New Jersey or Long Island tomatoes in SoCal. We had good ones, but not as good. But I did have tomatoes at Christmas, so that made up for it. LOL.

Love2Swim 11-11-2013 11:02 AM

Rick that is a wonderful offer. My spouse and I are going to check out your place!...thank you so much. With our small lot size, and deed restrictions, we have done a little container gardening and that's about it. It would be wonderful to be able to put some veggies in the ground like we did up north. I'm sure the seasons are different here, and we need to learn about all the Florida bugs and pests and so on, but we're up for the challenge!

ricklowe 11-11-2013 11:15 AM

The more that participate the easier it will be to make a realty the land and irrigation are only a small part of the pie. I have a tractor that we could use for some of the preparation for outdoor planting, there are some master gardeners in the villages and the university of Florida has approached me in the past. I'm going to reach out to them again to see what they think.


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