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big guy 01-01-2014 12:22 AM

Golf Cart Insurance for Rental House Golf Cart
 
Thanks to someones' post on here, we were able to find golf cart insurance for the golf cart at our rental unit (Allstate). They tell me that we are not permitted to advertise the golf cart as being included in the rental or included in a photograph with the house. They also said that there are ways to add it to the description of the house but wouldn't tell me how to do it. I guess I'm just not clever. Has anyone had the same issue and come up with a solution?

redwitch 01-01-2014 06:37 AM

You could probably say something in the description that there is a golf cart that is available for renters to use or something to that effect. I think the big problem would be that you wouldn't be able to check off that a cart is available in the amenity feature, which means that renters looking for specifically for properties with a cart would miss yours. It is a fine line right now. Be very sure that your rental price stays the same whether the cart is used or not.

Villageswimmer 01-01-2014 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 804239)
Thanks to someones' post on here, we were able to find golf cart insurance for the golf cart at our rental unit (Allstate). They tell me that we are not permitted to advertise the golf cart as being included in the rental or included in a photograph with the house. They also said that there are ways to add it to the description of the house but wouldn't tell me how to do it. I guess I'm just not clever. Has anyone had the same issue and come up with a solution?

I don't understand. If it's insured, what's the rationale for not including it in the description? Further, wouldn't everyone who rents with a cart have the same issue or is this an Allstate quirk? Seems strange to me or maybe I'm missing something?

bimmertl 01-01-2014 08:06 AM

The policy language strips coverage from an insured vehicle when it is rented to others. The agent is trying to circumvent the rental exclusion by more less "pretending" the use of the cart isn't contingent on signing a rental contract for the house. So don't mention the golf cart anywhere and hope if something happens the folks in the Allstate claim department don't get to involved into investigating the circumstances surrounding the use of the golf cart.

If you don't have something in writing from this agent that states under the conditions of your rental agreement for the property, the renters use of the golf cart is covered, you are bound by the policy language which states there isn't coverage if the cart is rented to others. Arguably, if the use of the cart is conditioned upon you renting the property, the golf cart is part of the rental agreement.

Typical agent trying to use smoke and mirrors to extend coverage beyond the terms of the policy to satisfy his insureds

Villageswimmer 01-01-2014 08:51 AM

Wow, this is interesting. And kind of scary. Seems like if I'm renting and my renters get involved in an accident, I'm really going to be sweating out whether or not the insurance company will pay up.

has anyone out there had this happen?

mulligan 01-01-2014 08:56 AM

SURPRISE !!! the rental cart companies don't have insurance, and if you drive one other than on the golf course, you are un-insured.

asianthree 01-01-2014 09:12 AM

i am betting that if there is an accident...there will be a way to not cover it...still waiting for some company to come up with golf cart with rental..policy every one would go with that company, because it would be in writing. I think this is a policy to make you feel better as long as nothing happens

Villageswimmer 01-01-2014 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 804304)
SURPRISE !!! the rental cart companies don't have insurance, and if you drive one other than on the golf course, you are un-insured.


Yikes. I wonder who is liable if there are injuries?

Villageswimmer 01-01-2014 09:36 AM

I think that we ever rent our place, we'll rent WITHOUT a cart. Not comfortable with the uncertainty here. You do the right thing and buy insurance but need to keep your fingers crossed that a future claim would be honored. This could be financially devastating.

Anyone know...is this just Allstate?

big guy 01-01-2014 12:32 PM

golf cart insurance on cart offered with rental unit
 
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Originally Posted by naneiben (Post 804322)
I think that we ever rent our place, we'll rent WITHOUT a cart. Not comfortable with the uncertainty here. You do the right thing and buy insurance but need to keep your fingers crossed that a future claim would be honored. This could be financially devastating.

Anyone know...is this just Allstate?

Allstate is the ONLY insurance company that will insure a rental golf cart. It wasn't expensive.....$129 per year for 2 carts. My husband had the same problem understanding this until I put the insurance woman on the speaker phone and had her repeat it. She said in the case of an accident with a golf cart (from a rental unit) that is insured by them, para-legals research it to make sure it is not advertised as being included in the rental. I am beginninng to think we would be better off to not have a golf cart with the rental. Seems like I am going to extremes to insure that we not get sued but in this day and age, it doesn't take much.

Villageswimmer 01-01-2014 12:51 PM

This, IMHO, is a topic that would be good fodder for a newspaper article. People should be aware of this. Presumably, everyone advertising their rental property with a golf cart included is at risk. Don't even bother buying insurance.

bimmertl 01-01-2014 01:46 PM

Ask the agent to provide either specific policy language that spells out your owned cart is insured if used by renters. If it's not in the policy have them provide something in writing clearly explaining it's covered. It's imperative you have this in writing. The standard policy will exclude coverage. Where exactly is it written stating there is in fact coverage.

Go back to what the OP on this thread was told. It's can't be advertised. Oh really, allegedly the only company that will insure rented golf carts doesn't want anybody to know about it. Does that make any sense at all. So the fewer policies Allstate sells the happier they are? Then they go on to tell their insured there are ways to add it to the house but we just can't tell you about it, really! Para legals research it? That's nonsense.

The simple response is to ask the agent or agents staff person to put all of this in writing. Since it must happen all the time, wouldn't they have a form clearly explaining all this. The only written document you have is the Allstate policy. If it's not in there, where is the language granting coverage?

asianthree 01-01-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by naneiben (Post 804432)
This, IMHO, is a topic that would be good fodder for a newspaper article. People should be aware of this. Presumably, everyone advertising their rental property with a golf cart included is at risk. Don't even bother buying insurance.

this has been on going for years...check the threads and posts.

big guy 01-01-2014 03:23 PM

golf cart insurance on cart offered with rental unit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 804469)
Ask the agent to provide either specific policy language that spells out your owned cart is insured if used by renters. If it's not in the policy have them provide something in writing clearly explaining it's covered. It's imperative you have this in writing. The standard policy will exclude coverage. Where exactly is it written stating there is in fact coverage.

Go back to what the OP on this thread was told. It's can't be advertised. Oh really, allegedly the only company that will insure rented golf carts doesn't want anybody to know about it. Does that make any sense at all. So the fewer policies Allstate sells the happier they are? Then they go on to tell their insured there are ways to add it to the house but we just can't tell you about it, really! Para legals research it? That's nonsense.

The simple response is to ask the agent or agents staff person to put all of this in writing. Since it must happen all the time, wouldn't they have a form clearly explaining all this. The only written document you have is the Allstate policy. If it's not in there, where is the language granting coverage?

I will get out my reading glasses and a magnifying glass and read ALL the fine print. We do have coverage but I'm trying to find where it says it can't be advertised that our rental comes with a golf cart.

The scary thing is that if we made a claim and they wouldn't cover it, they have more and bigger lawyers than we have.

duffer2 01-01-2014 03:26 PM

Golf Cart Insurance
 
There have been several posts on this topic. We found inexpensive golf cart insurance that covers our renters through Robert Blakley Insurance in Leesburg. We register each tenant on the policy and they get coverage along with us. I charge $50 for the insurance, which is a good deal to have use of a cart for the duration of the rental. There is little chance of coverage denial as the policy is specifically for this and there is no fancy wording in my rental to include coverage. This reduces risk for both the renter and us.

GatorFan 01-01-2014 04:48 PM

Call an Allstate office for the facts.

eweissenbach 01-01-2014 05:09 PM

We have rented from the same individual for the past three years. When we first agreed to rent we were told the golf cart would be included. After the owner researched his coverage, he said he could not include the cart and he graciously reduced the rent $400 per month to allow us to rent a cart outside.

gjbl8114 01-01-2014 05:10 PM

Here's a true account of a recent event with regard to this subject. A very close friend included golf cart as part of rental. Yes, there was golf cart insurance... The renter had a major accident with the golf cart that required thousands of dollars to repair. Additionally, the renter was injured. Now, here's the really hard part of this story. The insurance company stated that any accident or injury resulting from a golf cart included in a rental is soley the responsibility of the the owner, not the renter and not the insurance company. Making a long story short, the owners of the golf cart were required to engage a lawyer and incur unbelievable other expenses associated with the accident as the cart had to be towed. The towning company required an affadavit for the cart to be released to someone other than the owners as they were not in residence, and their homecaretaker would not be able to recover the cart without this legal document. The story goes on....... The long and short of it is this. It was made perfectly clear to the owners of the home and cart that under no circumstance should they include the golf cart as part of the rental, indicating that it would be wiser to reduce the rental with notice to the renter that they would need to rent their own cart due to liability issues. I would recommend everyone who rents properties to make certain that you understand the legality and liability associated with the use of your personal cart or renting a cart on behalf of a renter.

Now I'm sure there will be those who will write their on theory about this post, but, play it safe and don't take advice as important as this from anyone other than an attorney in the State of Florida or something in writing that protects you directly from your respective insurance company.

gustavo 01-01-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 804285)
The policy language strips coverage from an insured vehicle when it is rented to others. The agent is trying to circumvent the rental exclusion by more less "pretending" the use of the cart isn't contingent on signing a rental contract for the house. So don't mention the golf cart anywhere and hope if something happens the folks in the Allstate claim department don't get to involved into investigating the circumstances surrounding the use of the golf cart.

If you don't have something in writing from this agent that states under the conditions of your rental agreement for the property, the renters use of the golf cart is covered, you are bound by the policy language which states there isn't coverage if the cart is rented to others. Arguably, if the use of the cart is conditioned upon you renting the property, the golf cart is part of the rental agreement.

Typical agent trying to use smoke and mirrors to extend coverage beyond the terms of the policy to satisfy his insureds

What he said, as soon as the company balks at a claim, the agent will be nowhere to be found, or spouting about nothing verbal is binding.


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