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Papa_lecki 03-21-2023 05:19 PM

Palmetto closing
 
According to the paper i can’t link to, Plametto is closing friday (3/24)

The Executive Golf Division said, “This closure will give the maintenance team time to execute cultural practices on the greens and tees such as aerification and sand topdressing to aid with drainage, relieve compaction and provide oxygen to the root zone. Additionally, the maintenance team will work on eradicating disturbing winter weeds.”

sheena0904 03-21-2023 05:50 PM

So which is better? Playing on a course on bad condition? Or the course being shut down and not being available?

fdpaq0580 03-21-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sheena0904 (Post 2200062)
So which is better? Playing on a course on bad condition? Or the course being shut down and not being available?

Shutting down the course to let it heal and let it be repaired.

Rainger99 03-21-2023 07:13 PM

Any idea how long this will take? A couple of weeks, a couple of months, half a year, or more??

Babubhat 03-21-2023 07:34 PM

Needs a complete overhaul. Nothing was salvageable. New maintenance head is needed

Papa_lecki 03-21-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2200078)
Any idea how long this will take? A couple of weeks, a couple of months, half a year, or more??

To do it right, months. Need to kill and re seed the grass, let it grow nice strong root system.

Woodbear 03-22-2023 12:59 AM

Wasn't Palmetto closed for an extended period of 2022?

Papa_lecki 03-22-2023 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2200109)
Wasn't Palmetto closed for an extended period of 2022?

It was, i recall they were working on the cart path along #8.
Don’t know what else they did.

Two Bills 03-22-2023 05:27 AM

Keeping any sports area in good condition, proactive is so much better than reactive where maintenance is concerned
Very few Executive courses in TV are in front of their problems, and Championship courses not far behind, resulting in ground crews forever playing catch-up.
It is a seasonal losing battle, and has been getting worse over the years, with the time that the courses are acceptable for play, getting shorter each year.
No doubt the deniers will come out with the usual excuses and condemnations of any adverse remarks, but it will not alter the fact that the majority of courses are in a dire state.
JMO.

alwann 03-22-2023 07:52 AM

Closed
 
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Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2200109)
Wasn't Palmetto closed for an extended period of 2022?

Right, and so were Mangrove and Sweetgum, and more than once. Is there some environmentally strange about those three neighboring courses? Lot of marshland higher humidity in that area.

arickis 03-22-2023 08:05 AM

Executive courses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2200123)
Keeping any sports area in good condition, proactive is so much better than reactive where maintenance is concerned
Very few Executive courses in TV are in front of their problems, and Championship courses not far behind, resulting in ground crews forever playing catch-up.
It is a seasonal losing battle, and has been getting worse over the years, with the time that the courses are acceptable for play, getting shorter each year.
No doubt the deniers will come out with the usual excuses and condemnations of any adverse remarks, but it will not alter the fact that the majority of courses are in a dire state.
JMO.

The courses that are maintained by people that know what they are doing are in great shape all year long. Lopez and Glenview, and the four execs are all in great shape. It is NOT because nobody plays them, it is because they have a crew of professionals that know their job. The courses that are suffering are because they have grass cutters trying to maintain a golf course.....you can see the result. The shame of it all is that they will rebuild a course for a year then not maintain it, and two years later it is garbage again??? Why??

Littletommy 03-22-2023 08:19 AM

It is sad that Palmetto has to be closed due to the maintenance contractor, ASG failing to perform their end of the maintenance contract. They have been cutting every corner that they can get away with. I cannot figure out why Mitch Leininger allows it. It is also taking place with the other two maintenance contractors, Brightview and Down to Earth. The Scope of Work is posted on a Google blog, executivegolfmaintenance. You can get your own copy by contacting the District Clerk, Jennifer Farlow. Ask for the RFP for the Lindsey Lane Contract which is one of the two most recent contracts awarded. This contract is for Mira Mesa, Chula, Hill Top, Silver Lake and De La Vista. The Scope of Work is buried in the middle of the RFP. It is 17 pages of details. If these contractors followed the Scope of Work we would all be happy golfers.

Littletommy 03-22-2023 08:44 AM

It is too bad Palmetto has to be closed because they do not have enough golf courses.
They are short 10 executive golf courses south of Hwy 44. There should be 15 executive course there now based on the population and we only see 5.
The developer has saved the cost of construction of those 10 courses and then profited from the sale and construction of homes on the land that should have been used for executive golf. It is a problem that cannot be fixed. This area has been built out and has no room to add these courses.
The math is simple. There are 36 executive courses north of 44. Divide the population of 100,525 by 36 and you have 2793 for each executive course. Take the south population of about 41,475 (it is higher now) and divide by 2793 resulting in 14.85 courses.
Short 10 executive golf courses.
The championship courses are worse. They are short 12 nines. No room to build them.
They is talk of building more courses further south. I would say those new courses won't be enough to handle the 60,000 new golfers that will be coming to the Villages to play golf.

JP 03-22-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Littletommy (Post 2200227)
It is too bad Palmetto has to be closed because they do not have enough golf courses.
They are short 10 executive golf courses south of Hwy 44. There should be 15 executive course there now based on the population and we only see 5.
The developer has saved the cost of construction of those 10 courses and then profited from the sale and construction of homes on the land that should have been used for executive golf. It is a problem that cannot be fixed. This area has been built out and has no room to add these courses.
The math is simple. There are 36 executive courses north of 44. Divide the population of 100,525 by 36 and you have 2793 for each executive course. Take the south population of about 41,475 (it is higher now) and divide by 2793 resulting in 14.85 courses.
Short 10 executive golf courses.
The championship courses are worse. They are short 12 nines. No room to build them.
They is talk of building more courses further south. I would say those new courses won't be enough to handle the 60,000 new golfers that will be coming to the Villages to play golf.

I think people that are retiring now don't play golf as much or at all. The South is built for that along with more walking trails, dog parks etc. I think the sweet spot for golf is between 466 and 466a and if you like golf, you should buy in this area.

JMintzer 03-22-2023 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Littletommy (Post 2200227)
It is too bad Palmetto has to be closed because they do not have enough golf courses.
They are short 10 executive golf courses south of Hwy 44. There should be 15 executive course there now based on the population and we only see 5.
The developer has saved the cost of construction of those 10 courses and then profited from the sale and construction of homes on the land that should have been used for executive golf. It is a problem that cannot be fixed. This area has been built out and has no room to add these courses.
The math is simple. There are 36 executive courses north of 44. Divide the population of 100,525 by 36 and you have 2793 for each executive course. Take the south population of about 41,475 (it is higher now) and divide by 2793 resulting in 14.85 courses.
Short 10 executive golf courses.
The championship courses are worse. They are short 12 nines. No room to build them.
They is talk of building more courses further south. I would say those new courses won't be enough to handle the 60,000 new golfers that will be coming to the Villages to play golf.

Where do you suggest that they could have added more executive courses in the areas that have been built out south of 44?

Please be specific...


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