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rubicon 03-08-2014 03:37 PM

Is Your Adviser charging You A Fair Price?
 
Is your adviser charging you a fair price and providing the services you want and need?

JourneyOfLife 03-11-2014 06:10 AM

In our case yes... because I DIY. IOW, we avoid the expenses.


I will spare you the details of our plan and approach. Except to say, it covers all the bases and is based on common methods employed in the industry.

The only things I seek professional help with is estate planning (we use an attorney).

Every once in a while some tax advice or service from a CPA.

gomoho 03-11-2014 08:28 AM

What do you consider a fair price and what are your expectations?

rubicon 03-12-2014 04:56 AM

The question has been proposed by the Intelligent Investor because most professional advisers simply apply computer models to make predictions and less than 27% apply human intelligence.

Also many annual fees are negotiable and investors are unaware of that fact.
Paying fees of 1.5 and above can be self defeating

JourneyOfLife 03-12-2014 07:51 AM

You hint at one issue.

Define the service offering!

What exactly are the services that are being performed?

luvmagic2 03-12-2014 12:12 PM

Price should be based upon services performed and size of your portfolio. After a fixed point in time its easy to compare against gains/losses with other indexes.

2BNTV 03-12-2014 03:05 PM

I pay .05% on my portfolio.

I made a sizable amount of money with this devisified portfolio, and it is managed, by my financial firm. This works for me, as I don't have to worry, because it is in good hands.

Getting good returns, with very little fee.

gustavo 03-12-2014 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 841915)
Is your adviser charging you a fair price and providing the services you want and need?

Yes, I pay myself $100k per year in lieu of giving it to someone who needs to make a tremendous amount of money to fund their personal lifestyle and feed their parent company for overhead costs.

I can buy alot of toys with that money, if I wanted to. :D

JourneyOfLife 03-14-2014 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gustavo (Post 844326)
Yes, I pay myself $100k per year in lieu of giving it to someone who needs to make a tremendous amount of money to fund their personal lifestyle and feed their parent company for overhead costs.

I can buy alot of toys with that money, if I wanted to. :D

Do you actually avoid $100k in expenses each year?

gustavo 03-14-2014 07:42 AM

Sure do.

gomoho 03-14-2014 08:23 AM

WOW, Gustavo, you must have one hell of a portfolio if it would cost $100k for a CFP to manage it. Can't imagine someone with that amount of money not working with a professional.

JourneyOfLife 03-14-2014 08:40 AM

By chance do you see dorsal fins circling you now?

;)

gustavo 03-15-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 845184)
WOW, Gustavo, you must have one hell of a portfolio if it would cost $100k for a CFP to manage it. Can't imagine someone with that amount of money not working with a professional.

No one can look after my money better than me. I have no exotic strategies so I don't need a "real" professional. Most advisors used a canned strategy anyway.

gomoho 03-15-2014 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gustavo (Post 845956)
No one can look after my money better than me. I have no exotic strategies so I don't need a "real" professional. Most advisors used a canned strategy anyway.

OK - you missed my point. God speed.

JourneyOfLife 03-16-2014 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 846041)
OK - you missed my point. God speed.

I got it.


Some people have turned themselves into experts... combination of formal education, career experience, and self-education.


But, those people tend to be a relatively small segment of the population.

When discussing financial/risk planning and management, people are often not talking about the same things... often one is talking apples and the other is talking oranges.

Many many people read a few articles and dive in and wing it.

To some planning means... I bought low cost mutual funds and pretty much follow basic academic advice on allocation that is commonly available in print media.

Others it also means, tax planning, asset protection, etc. The dustier corners of the planning continuum.


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