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cabo35 12-22-2007 12:21 AM

Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
I debated whether to give this its own thread and decided to go for it. I hope the administrator agrees. It really is a different unique issue and hopefully will resolve some of the confusion evident on recycling pickups, although I am not sure it will definatively answer the question.

The once a week pickup issue connected with recycling has raised many questions. Some people read it, some saw it differently and some said it was never printed. I cut and pasted this article from the December issue of the POA Bulletin I found on line.

Whoa !! Wait a minute !!

Letís spend some time thinking through in more detail this matter of Recycling before we get locked into something we may not really want !!

The basic proposal that appears to be close to implementation now includes the following:

Once-a-week curbside pickup of a special bag we must purchase and into which we put all recyclables (paper, cardboard, plastic, glass, and aluminum cans),

Only one pickup a week (rather than two) of all other household trash,

An additional monthly charge on our trash bill of $2.00,

No passback to residents of any profits on the sale of the recycled materials.

Only one pickup a week (rather than two) of all other household trash, An additional monthly charge on our trash bill of $2.00, No passback to residents of any profits on the sale of the recycled materials.

This decision about whether to recycle or not is being made by the developer of The Villages. This is because all Villagers agreed to give the developer the exclusive (and assignable) right in our homeís purchase agreement to collect our residential solid waste.

Recycling is a good way to do our part to make a better world. However, letís be smart, not foolish, in how we do this.

We have no problem with the idea of putting all recyclables into a bag for once-a-week curbside pickup. This seems a reasonable way to do things without requiring specialized trucks, containers, or procedures.

However, only once-a-week pickup for basic household trash is not a good idea. One of the reasons we have twice-a-week pickup now is that garbage deteriorates quickly in our heat and the smell can quickly get overpowering. Stretching out the pickup to once-a-week will aggravate the situation. And, if you miss a pickup, you have to hold trash two weeks rather than a few days for another pickup. This is not a good idea.

On the matter of the additional $2.00 a month charge, why do we have to pay this when we will get one less general trash pickup a week? The additional $2.00 fee is directed at the recycling effort; thus, the trash company will charge the same monthly fee and have the regular pickup effort and cost cut in half. Remember, also, that the tipping charge at a landfill will be reduced by the weight of recyclable materials that no longer have to be dumped in a landfill.

So, the trash company gets its workload and costs reduced by 50%, gets its landfill tipping charge reduced by x%, and gets an extra $2.00 (a 12.9% increase) monthly.

Something is wrong here.

Now, what about the profits on the sale of recycled materials (paper, cardboard, plastic, glass, and aluminum cans)? Who gets that?

Please donít try to tell us that there is no profit on recycled materials. If there was no profit, then no company would be doing it.

Currently, newspapers are recycled by the local churches; aluminum cans by the Lions Club and a few others. These organizations would not be doing recycling if there was no profit in it. Incidentally, these activities can continue quite nicely, thank you, if we donít decide to recycle under this proposal.

So, if there is profit in the recycling business, then Villagers should participate in those profits. If there are no profits, then that is what the $2.00 a month is for. If that does not cover it, then maybe we shouldnít be doing recycling in the first place.

Ok, how do we resolve these issues?


I hope this vindicates those who some suggested did not read it, made it up, jumped on the wrong bandwagon or misrepresented facts. We're all in the same boat and have a need for reliable media reporting. The Village Sun gives a contradictory account that almost seems like a direct response to the Recycle Poll or the POA article. The articles are polar opposites and the confusion really needs to be cleared up so that everyone knows what is going on. I should note that the POA article appeared before the Village Sun explanation.

Who do we believe?

Muncle 12-22-2007 03:10 AM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
"Who do we believe?" :a20:

That's POMCO . The Daily Sun was using as source people involved in the negotiation. The POA was spouting specious twaddle.


cabo35 12-22-2007 02:45 PM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
Muncle, the POA spouting "specious twaddle". I am stunned, shocked, devastated, flabberghasted, please say it isn't so !!!!

BTW, who do you trust?

redwitch 12-22-2007 02:52 PM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
I guess we believe the one who is in direct negotiations with the garbage company. Of course, we could just call the garbage company and get the information from the horse's mouth, so to speak. :dontknow:

captain1202 12-25-2007 12:51 PM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
From The Daily Sun 12/20:
Recycling wonít impact trash pickups

By CURT HILLS, DAILY SUN

THE VILLAGES ó While work continues to bringing curbside recycling to The Villages, residents can rest assured it will not impact their regular garbage pickup schedules.

Planned curbside recycling will be in addition to the two days per week of solid waste pickup that Villages residents in Marion and Sumter counties receive.

So while the opportunity exists for environmentally conscious residents to reduce the amount of trash they discard, they will continue to have the ability to do so twice a week. Villages officials indicated they have no plans to alter the current garbage-pickup schedules.

The curbside recycling pickup schedule is expected to mirror one of the two regular trash pickup days for each household, making it convenient.

Of course, the biggest convenience may come from how recyclable materials can be placed curbside ó all together, without the hassle of sorting. Thatís because collections in the affected areas will be processed by use of a single-stream recycling facility, which means the separation of materials will not occur until they reach Waste Management Inc.ís state-of-the-art facility near Orlando.

The Villages has worked with Sumter Sanitation, which is preparing a new transfer station in Wildwood, and Waste Management, since 2005 to get the community geared toward a convenient and inexpensive way to recycle.



Additional details, including recycling pickup days, cost and how to place items curbside will be provided to the public in the near future.

Curt Hills is an editor with the Daily Sun. He can be reached at 753-1119, ext. 9319, or curt.hills@thevillagesmedia.com.
Recycling wonít impact trash pickups

By CURT HILLS, DAILY SUN

THE VILLAGES ó While work continues to bringing curbside recycling to The Villages, residents can rest assured it will not impact their regular garbage pickup schedules.

Planned curbside recycling will be in addition to the two days per week of solid waste pickup that Villages residents in Marion and Sumter counties receive.

So while the opportunity exists for environmentally conscious residents to reduce the amount of trash they discard, they will continue to have the ability to do so twice a week. Villages officials indicated they have no plans to alter the current garbage-pickup schedules.

The curbside recycling pickup schedule is expected to mirror one of the two regular trash pickup days for each household, making it convenient.

Of course, the biggest convenience may come from how recyclable materials can be placed curbside ó all together, without the hassle of sorting. Thatís because collections in the affected areas will be processed by use of a single-stream recycling facility, which means the separation of materials will not occur until they reach Waste Management Inc.ís state-of-the-art facility near Orlando.

The Villages has worked with Sumter Sanitation, which is preparing a new transfer station in Wildwood, and Waste Management, since 2005 to get the community geared toward a convenient and inexpensive way to recycle.



Additional details, including recycling pickup days, cost and how to place items curbside will be provided to the public in the near future.

Curt Hills is an editor with the Daily Sun. He can be reached at 753-1119, ext. 9319, or curt.hills@thevillagesmedia.com.

DDoug 12-25-2007 06:18 PM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
I'm sorry but I've seen recycle before and followed a truck to the landfill and the trash was dumped in the same place as all the other. If you are going to recycle then I would like to see all the nessesary things in place before you start to charge me. All the recycle I've seen the trucks have compartments where the trash is seperated at curb. Where and how is this going to happen in The Villages program. Seems like the state attorney general should get involved. This is a bussiness venture that possibly should be liscenced,then again maybe it is.

REDCART 12-25-2007 07:44 PM

Re: Recycling Issue Confusion and Contradiction
 
If Waste Management has a state of the art sorting facility which sorts all garbage to recover recyclables, why is it necessary to have special recyclable pickups in addition to the normal pickup? George


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