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B767drvr 09-14-2014 10:54 PM

Why You MAY NOT Want To Get A Flu Shot
 
For what it's worth, here's an excerpt from a doctor that advises AGAINST getting the flu shot:


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Additionally, no studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly, even though this is one of the key groups to which they’re pushed.

Even if the flu vaccine did work, you should know that it is simply an educated guessing game as to whether or not this year’s vaccine will protect against the strains in your area. You see, because the flu virus mutates so rapidly, the vaccine must be updated every year to include the new, most common strains. Yet, sometimes scientists are way off.

There have been several examples in past years where government health officials have chosen the incorrect influenza strains for that year’s vaccine. In 2004, the National Vaccine Information Center described how CDC officials told everyone to line up for a flu shot that didn't even contain the influenza strain causing most of the flu that year.

As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states:

“In some years when vaccine and circulating strains were not well-matched, no vaccine effectiveness can be demonstrated in some studies, even in healthy adults. It is not possible in advance of the influenza season to predict how well the vaccine and circulating strains will be matched, and how that match may affect the degree of vaccine effectiveness.”

So let’s sum things up. When you get the flu shot, it may or may not protect you against the flu. Further, recent studies suggest the shot is largely ineffective for two of the key populations to which it’s pushed: children and the elderly.

What you CAN be sure of when you get the flu shot is that you’ll be injected with a laundry list of hazardous ingredients, which are included as additives to the vaccines.

Flu Shot Additives are Well-Known Toxins

Two-thirds of the vaccines made for the 2008–09 flu season contain full-dose thimerosal, which is 49% mercury by weight, according to Dr. Miller. Mercury is a neurotoxin, with a toxicity level 1,000 times that of lead.

Still, each flu shot contains 25 micrograms of mercury, which amounts to a mercury content of 50,000 part per billion -- 250 times more than the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit.

And that’s not all. Dr. Miller points out the other substances in flu shots, all of which are known to be harmful to health, especially for children:

• Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent is used to inactivate the virus.
• Aluminum, added to promote an antibody response, is a neurotoxin that may play a role in Alzheimer’s disease.
• Triton X-100 (a detergent)
• Polysorbate 80

• Carbolic acid
• Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
• Gelatin
• Various antibiotics such as neomycin, streptomycin, and gentamicin that can cause allergic reactions
<<

Prominent Physician Advises Against Flu Shots

Bubble Gum 09-15-2014 01:25 AM

You sat there and wrote down all that information during a visit to your doctor??? No! You took it from an ad from a natural health website. I don't know where you got the rest of it, but I (personally) don't' believe most of it. It sounds like a lot of hype to me.

It is a known fact that adults over the age of 65 in particular, should always get a flu shot. It is also a known fact that the vaccine each is a guess predicated on previous years' flus, but generally speaking, a pretty good guess. In addition, each year you get a shot, you are further building up a resistance for following years, not just for the year in which you get the shot.

Anyone who thinks they may not come down with the flu is foolish. Anyone can contract the flu. My opinion also, is that anyone who doesn't get a shot, particularly a senior adult, is also foolish. At our age if we come down with the flu it can easily turn into pneumonia and then guess what? You might die!

Bonanza 09-15-2014 01:45 AM

I clicked and skimmed over the the site the OP was (partially?) quoting. This Dr. Miller is a cardiac surgeon. I would rather trust information concerning flu shots from an Internist, not a cardiac surgeon.

I've already had my flu shot this year and will continue to get it every year. I don't think much of the article or what the OP has posted, regardless of where the information came from. Bah Humbug!

CFrance 09-15-2014 04:41 AM

I had the flu once, in the spring of 1995. To this day I still remember how deathly ill I was and how long it took to fully recover. It took over a month.

I'll take my chances with the flu shot.

graciegirl 09-15-2014 05:02 AM

Joseph Mercola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

redwitch 09-15-2014 05:03 AM

I can't take the flu shot due to an allergy. I truly wish I could. I'm one of the lucky ones who rarely gets the flu but when I do, I'm down and out and it takes forever to recover. So, put me down as one of those who thinks you're foolish to not get the shot if you can.

graciegirl 09-15-2014 05:08 AM

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

rubicon 09-15-2014 05:52 AM

I suppose it all goes back to a person;s tolerance. I developed the Hong Kong flu in 1969 and believed I was on my death bed. so when the flu shot became available I lined up.

However two seasons ago I went with the senior super dose and ended up in the ER. the nurse told me I was not the only one who had a severe reaction. Last year I went back to the regular dose and found discomfort for the remainder of the day. On the other hand my wife continues with the super dose unaffected.

We had ask about re-doing the pneumonia shot and were told it was no longer recommended for people over 65? I just recently read an article wherein it was recommended that people 65+ get their pneumonia shot and followed by a booster. I wish the medical community would get its act together

BarryRX 09-15-2014 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 938417)
For what it's worth, here's an excerpt from a doctor that advises AGAINST getting the flu shot:


>>
Additionally, no studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly, even though this is one of the key groups to which they’re pushed.

Even if the flu vaccine did work, you should know that it is simply an educated guessing game as to whether or not this year’s vaccine will protect against the strains in your area. You see, because the flu virus mutates so rapidly, the vaccine must be updated every year to include the new, most common strains. Yet, sometimes scientists are way off.

There have been several examples in past years where government health officials have chosen the incorrect influenza strains for that year’s vaccine. In 2004, the National Vaccine Information Center described how CDC officials told everyone to line up for a flu shot that didn't even contain the influenza strain causing most of the flu that year.

As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states:

“In some years when vaccine and circulating strains were not well-matched, no vaccine effectiveness can be demonstrated in some studies, even in healthy adults. It is not possible in advance of the influenza season to predict how well the vaccine and circulating strains will be matched, and how that match may affect the degree of vaccine effectiveness.”

So let’s sum things up. When you get the flu shot, it may or may not protect you against the flu. Further, recent studies suggest the shot is largely ineffective for two of the key populations to which it’s pushed: children and the elderly.

What you CAN be sure of when you get the flu shot is that you’ll be injected with a laundry list of hazardous ingredients, which are included as additives to the vaccines.

Flu Shot Additives are Well-Known Toxins

Two-thirds of the vaccines made for the 2008–09 flu season contain full-dose thimerosal, which is 49% mercury by weight, according to Dr. Miller. Mercury is a neurotoxin, with a toxicity level 1,000 times that of lead.

Still, each flu shot contains 25 micrograms of mercury, which amounts to a mercury content of 50,000 part per billion -- 250 times more than the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit.

And that’s not all. Dr. Miller points out the other substances in flu shots, all of which are known to be harmful to health, especially for children:

• Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent is used to inactivate the virus.
• Aluminum, added to promote an antibody response, is a neurotoxin that may play a role in Alzheimer’s disease.
• Triton X-100 (a detergent)
• Polysorbate 80

• Carbolic acid
• Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
• Gelatin
• Various antibiotics such as neomycin, streptomycin, and gentamicin that can cause allergic reactions
<<

Prominent Physician Advises Against Flu Shots

Probably one of the most irresponsible posts I have seen. It comes from a group that is against any type of vaccination. A post like this is so upsetting that I am tempted to urge the poster to follow his own recommendation, but I will not. Please get your flu shot so I can continue to be annoyed by you.

karostay 09-15-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 938417)
For what it's worth, here's an excerpt from a doctor that advises AGAINST getting the flu shot:


>>
Additionally, no studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly, even though this is one of the key groups to which they’re pushed.

Even if the flu vaccine did work, you should know that it is simply an educated guessing game as to whether or not this year’s vaccine will protect against the strains in your area. You see, because the flu virus mutates so rapidly, the vaccine must be updated every year to include the new, most common strains. Yet, sometimes scientists are way off.

There have been several examples in past years where government health officials have chosen the incorrect influenza strains for that year’s vaccine. In 2004, the National Vaccine Information Center described how CDC officials told everyone to line up for a flu shot that didn't even contain the influenza strain causing most of the flu that year.

As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states:

“In some years when vaccine and circulating strains were not well-matched, no vaccine effectiveness can be demonstrated in some studies, even in healthy adults. It is not possible in advance of the influenza season to predict how well the vaccine and circulating strains will be matched, and how that match may affect the degree of vaccine effectiveness.”

So let’s sum things up. When you get the flu shot, it may or may not protect you against the flu. Further, recent studies suggest the shot is largely ineffective for two of the key populations to which it’s pushed: children and the elderly.

What you CAN be sure of when you get the flu shot is that you’ll be injected with a laundry list of hazardous ingredients, which are included as additives to the vaccines.

Flu Shot Additives are Well-Known Toxins

Two-thirds of the vaccines made for the 2008–09 flu season contain full-dose thimerosal, which is 49% mercury by weight, according to Dr. Miller. Mercury is a neurotoxin, with a toxicity level 1,000 times that of lead.

Still, each flu shot contains 25 micrograms of mercury, which amounts to a mercury content of 50,000 part per billion -- 250 times more than the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit.

And that’s not all. Dr. Miller points out the other substances in flu shots, all of which are known to be harmful to health, especially for children:

• Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent is used to inactivate the virus.
• Aluminum, added to promote an antibody response, is a neurotoxin that may play a role in Alzheimer’s disease.
• Triton X-100 (a detergent)
• Polysorbate 80

• Carbolic acid
• Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
• Gelatin
• Various antibiotics such as neomycin, streptomycin, and gentamicin that can cause allergic reactions
<<

Prominent Physician Advises Against Flu Shots

Less toxins than second hand smoke..I'll take my chances with the Flu Shot

dbanks50 09-15-2014 06:42 AM

Never had one. In 64 years, had a mild dose of the flu once. I'll take my chances. My mom lived to be 88 and never had the shot or the flu.

asianthree 09-15-2014 06:49 AM

Just remember the flu shot is your choice doesn't matter what you read or doesn't matter what you think it's still your choice to go and stick your arm out and let somebody stick a needle in it. I don't understand why people get so upset over articles being processed and or published. I myself have a severe allergy to flu shots. Can't take them. I have severe allergies to a lot of meds. It's a personal choice you get to choose. I have never had the flu and I've not had a flu shot in 13 years. And trust me I am around many many people on a daily basis as the flu. I enjoy reading other peoples opinion as to why they don't like to use medical intervention of drugs. Don't understand why other people get so upset about it it's still their choice.

kansasr 09-15-2014 08:15 AM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that vaccinations prevented 79,000 flu hospitalizations and 6.6 million flu-associated illnesses during the 2012-13 influenza season. Complications from the flu can be serious and result in hospitalization, and even death, for some patients. The best way to prevent the flu is to get vaccinated.

sunnyatlast 09-15-2014 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 938463)
Just remember the flu shot is your choice doesn't matter what you read or doesn't matter what you think it's still your choice to go and stick your arm out and let somebody stick a needle in it. I don't understand why people get so upset over articles being processed and or published. I myself have a severe allergy to flu shots. Can't take them. I have severe allergies to a lot of meds. It's a personal choice you get to choose. I have never had the flu and I've not had a flu shot in 13 years. And trust me I am around many many people on a daily basis as the flu. I enjoy reading other peoples opinion as to why they don't like to use medical intervention of drugs. Don't understand why other people get so upset about it it's still their choice.

I find among acquaintances who do not vaccinate at all that they look for "experts" whose claims validate their seething hatred of "Big Pharma".

But when they land in the ICU for weeks they're going to wish for antibiotics and steroids and every other drug produced by their hated villain.

PennBF 09-15-2014 08:56 AM

Reminds Me
 
Last year I unfortunately got the flu and it was followed by my wife getting it. It was very uncomfortable and one I don't recommend for others. Went to Dr. who gave me some cough med, etc. A question he asked was: "What will you do next year?" Both my wife and I responded, "Will get shots". Enough said.:cold:


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