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784caroline 06-26-2008 09:20 PM
WIFI the Villages
 
With all the forethought the developers had with the Villages,I cant believe they forgot or dismissed the idea of universal WIFI. I mean many small towns, never mind major city areas have total access to WIFI in the parks and villages. I know I placed this as one of the BIGGEST issues I had with the Villlages in the recent (annual) questionaire all TV owners receive.

What are your thoughts on this issue and how can we communicate this idea (definitely not a new idea) to the Develpers!! I mean the only place the Villages offer WIFI is in certain Community centers.......That type of thinking will make you old!!

handieman 06-26-2008 09:43 PM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
Community WIFI systems are very common all over the world. It is inexcusable that TV has not encouraged this. I'm sure a kissing handshake between TV and Comcast or Em barf (sic)is in the background (my personal thought). However, someone out there with more knowledge than I should be furthering this cause. I have a basic knowledge of how these systems work but not enough to get one initiated. There are companies out there, I'm sure, that would love to sell the equipment to a group of investors willing to get this started. It is such a natural and such a huge selling point to the developers. Anyone want to form a committee and look into this???
Handie :joke:

efrahin 06-26-2008 09:55 PM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
The way I see it, thre is not economic incentive for TV to do it. But I think if suficient people raise their voices they will have to hear.

JohnN 07-07-2008 10:52 PM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
I'm in a fairly smallish town (20,000) and there are independent wifi startups here for entreprenuers. I'm surprised some tech-type has not yet taking up that opportunity.
Thinking... hmmmmmmmmmm.... Jan, are you out there? TOTV wifi?????

efrahin 07-07-2008 10:58 PM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
How do you make money supplying WiFi service that is FREE?? Maybe I am missing something.

handieman 07-07-2008 11:12 PM
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The fact that it is a huge selling incentive is reason enough for the villages to offer it free, however there are systems that have the ability to charge by the hour, day, week, month, and year. I would love to see TOTV get involved in this or anyone PLEASE this nonsense of 50 bucks for internet service is atrocious. I myself am going to go wireless with my signal and boost it to my neighborhood unsecured very soon. If the recipients want to chip in some bucks then maybe I can break even at least on my own small scale. Its not that difficult to secure my PC from intruders piggy backing my signal.
Handie :joke:

renielarson 07-07-2008 11:21 PM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
Handie

We just went wireless this summer and did it unsecured.

I was fortunate to "borrow" wireless from a neighbor for the past 2 years and decided to pass the benefit on to others as a thank you for what I was given the opportunity to use.

I"m wondering how many people offered the wifi suggestion in the recent questionnaire. I didn't because I just didn't think about it.

Darn!

Muncle 07-07-2008 11:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by handieman
I myself am going to go wireless with my signal and boost it to my neighborhood unsecured very soon. If the recipients want to chip in some bucks then maybe I can break even at least on my own small scale. Its not that difficult to secure my PC from intruders piggy backing my signal.
Handie :joke:
Efrahin, Wifi is not, by definition, free. What Handie is proposing for his neighborhood is probably the most common way to make money with the process, in varying scales. Handie is planning on using an unsecured system --- if you're in his hotspot, you can access the net directly. He's not looking for profit or even cost reimbursement. However, he could set up his system so only those who have userid/passwords could get on. That way, if he so chose, he could limit access to those who contribute toward his costs, or if large enough, provide him profit. Such a system would be limited by the range of the wireless hotspot (could be the size of a store or could be several blocks in area) and the size of the internet connection. You can really have some performance problems if say, in Handie's case, he had a relatively small pipe and had 20 users trying to download porn simultaneously.

renielarson 07-08-2008 12:14 AM
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I'm not looking to benefit from my wireless nor am looking for contributors toward my cost.

I unsecured it as a thank you to whoever unsecured theirs for me. It's the least I can do as a good neighbor.

efrahin 07-08-2008 12:27 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
OK, now I see the money side of it. I was thinking about some cities that go wifi for free to everyone and the city foots the bill. I think that TV should do it and maybe add a few dollars to the ammenities charges (that will cover the cost). The current rate is about $30.00 from the cable companies, so a few bucks will be a relief for everyone. If TV dont do it, then we should get a group big enough to serve everyone who wants to join, and being out of the hands of TV will be better

zcaveman 07-08-2008 12:51 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efrahin
OK, now I see the money side of it. I was thinking about some cities that go wifi for free to everyone and the city foots the bill. I think that TV should do it and maybe add a few dollars to the ammenities charges (that will cover the cost). The current rate is about $30.00 from the cable companies, so a few bucks will be a relief for everyone. If TV dont do it, then we should get a group big enough to serve everyone who wants to join, and being out of the hands of TV will be better
Why do people keep wanting to "add a few bucks to the amenity fees" to get something that only a small number of people actually want? I am very happy with my secured wireless network.

What you people are suggesting by piggybacking on someone's unsecured WiFi network without getting their permission is illegal and if caught you could be in big trouble. If I was able to find out who had the unsecured WiFi networks in my area I would go over and help them secure it. it is the least I can do as a neighbor.

I did write a letter to the editors about securing the WiFi networks. It was technical. They printed it. My golfing buddies read it and said they did not understand a bit of it. I asked it they had a WiFi network in their house. They said no. I told them they were safe but if they ever considered one, please let me know so I could secure it for them.

renielarson 07-08-2008 01:09 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
zcaveman

My son tells me the same thing...

However, my question is this....Why is unsecured offered as an option if it is illegal for anyone to "tap" into it since obviously that is the purpose. It sounds like "baiting" to me.

Guess I don't understand why we would be given the option to unsecure or secure.

zcaveman 07-08-2008 01:19 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
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Originally Posted by brightspot01
zcaveman

My son tells me the same thing...

However, my question is this....Why is unsecured offered as an option if it is illegal for anyone to "tap" into it since obviously that is the purpose. It sounds like "baiting" to me.

Guess I don't understand why we would be given the option to unsecure or secure.
First off, a nonsecured WiFi network is the easiest to install. Also, because some people are not technical enough to know what to do. These are the same people that run without anfirewall or an anti-virus.

I think that if a third party installs your WiFi network, they will automatically secure it for you. If you install it yourself, you have to do some reading to secure it.

Before I even started to install my WiFi network, I read several articles about securing the network because I had already read articles about people stealing your signal if the network was unsecured.

I asked the Villages Computer Club to put out some articles on securing the network but they declined. I don't remember why. That is why I wrote the letter to the Editor about it.

travelstiles 07-08-2008 01:31 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
I set up secured WiFi through my Embarq account and it was very, very simple to do with the instructions provided, but if you have questions they have a good help line.

024

handieman 07-08-2008 01:50 AM
Re: WIFI the Villages
 
Sigh OK OK here I go ;D
I recently bought a Belkin Router wireless G. The estimated range is 400' clear view. I quote from the box " Belkin routers also include a guest Access feature that allows "trusted vistors" to share your broadband connection while keeping the rest of your network private. This lets you give your guests Web access without compromising the security of your files or other resources"
Now I don't profess to be an authority on this subject but I do think that the Belkin Company is. I therefore stand by my pledge to share my internet via my wireless router LEGALLY
Handie :joke:


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