"Significantly more homes in Wildwood"
 

The above is a quote from the online news. Some people are already commenting on another thread that was started about what might happen to the land on 466A across from Pinellas, and beside the Sand Hill golf course, formerly Tradewinds Village. But because the name of the thread is a little misleading, (New golf course and village) and the fact that it is on page 2, and about 6 pages back, I am starting a new topic.
You know, it is very easy to say...if you don't like something, you should leave. That's the first thing anyone says when someone complains about anything. But sometime people have legitimate complaints. I think that this new Village is going to make living in the southern part of the Villages pretty miserable for many people. With the 2000 houses from Fruitland Village, and this new developement of "significant" number of houses on 200 acres, we could be looking at possibly another 1000+ homes if they do CYV's in Wildwood. That could possibly put 5000-6000 more people on 466A, not counting the other houses being built all around Bell Glade area, and the new houses in Charlotte. I have no idea how many that will be. Then add to the mix, all the other houses being built off of 466a by other developers, and I would hope that anyone could see that traffic on 466a and all surrounding areas will be horrible. We live basically at the intersection of Buena Vista and St Charles, and between cars and the fact that the golf cart path for most of the Southern courses all pass along the entrance of St James, traffic even in summer can be extremely busy. Our pools and Rec centers are always busy. So although this new Village might not directly effect some of you, don't say that everything is wonderful, and not all people are happy about it. Saying something like this bothers you does not mean that you want to leave, just wish The Villages would consider the how new buildings will be negative for the residents.

Possibly some felt that way when they developed your village?

Pull the ladder up...I am up.

If they did they, I hope they said something, like I am doing. But thanks for the friendly, helpful comment. You may live in an area where you are not affected, and obviously have no empathy for those that are.

Some are just more laid back, yes there is more traffic where we are but if everyone drove just cars and not golf carts there might be a traffic jam. We back up to a road, yes it's busy durning the day but after 5 it all good. I do not worry about things I can not change. Good for the developer for buying the land, and making sure the new people will have the same advantage as us, as opposed to someone else just building houses with zero perks.

I am sure the developer has taken some of your concerns into consideration. We live South of 466a and love it. I can't foresee the area being any busier than the 441/27 corridor.

Florida is like a runaway train..all aboard!

You're obviously sincere about your concerns. I would never belittle that. But at the same time, TV has expanded many times. I don't think people are discarding your thoughts. They're simply saying that they don't agree with your assessment...which I must say is rather doom-and-gloom.

The developers have been responsible so far. I don't think there's any reason to think that will change. And of course many Villagers are from areas that make any congestion in TV, now and for the foreseeable future, look trivial by comparison. I'm one of those.

Hang in there. I simply don't think it will be as bad as you think. In fact...it's possible that it won't be bad at all.

theres room for everybody..ENjOY:girlneener:
The more the merrier..:wave:

Has anybody seen the land development plan for this property. Maybe we hold "judgement" until we do. I think the TV Developer will do a better overall site plan than someone from south Florida or elsewhere. For example, maybe another tunnel under 466A to relieve some of the tunnel congestion, another executive course, recreation center, etc. etc.----just speculation. We will see.

Something is going to be built there whether it's the Morse family or not. A developer owns it now. I believe the parcel adjacent to it is owned by a different developer. They are not about to lose their investments they will do something. I for one am glad to see it stay in The Villages. I come from a town of 45,000 people up north and I feel less crowded here than I did there. I pinch myself everyday to be sure I'm not dreaming living in such a beautiful place. Don't begrudge the developer, their the ones that built us this beautiful place to live out the rest of our lives.

Who is this smart man???? Glad to meet you sir.

OK the developer is going to develop that's what he does. The road(466A) can handle the traffic, 462 is going to be widened to the same size as Powell Rd. There's a Supermarket and a couple of Restaurants there already. God knows there are enough banks, you have a gas station. Everything you need within easy reach. So there will be more people guess what, there will ALWAYS be more people. Everything he tries to do somebody has a problem with lately. There are 100K people in about 35 square mile that's not a big problem. Where you came how many golf courses, pools, movie theaters and restaurants did you have? How big were your roads? What were you paying in taxes and fees? I'm sure your old home town wasn't as sparkly and as well maintained as TV. If it was why did you move? As long as there is a demand he will continue to build. JMO

HAs the developer taken into account the negative impact of adding more homes?
Of course he has and still does.
Somehow during our residency TV has grown from a population of 35,000 to 105,000. Sounds like a lot of planning to me. And we only see improvement having benefitted from the growth.

Also did not each prospective resident take into account what, where, what if when they were buying? Of course most of us did.

And apparently given the sales keep on filling the homes that are being built, the prospective buyers still approve of TV in it's current configuration.

So it is busier than 10, 5, 4, 3 years ago. All good or desireable things are.
Just relax and enjoy it.

And thank God you moved to a place where the developer considers the impacts of what they do.

How many would buy again if they could turn the clock back? Probably 95%.

Wise words. And I would do it again

Those that are complaining about the continued growth of The Villages are overlooking one glaring fact...if The Villages did not develop those areas, another developer will.

Other developments might bring loud and unruly children right up to your back door. OMG

Other developments might bring low-income housing and the subsequent constant turnover right up to your back door. Big OMG

A development by Morse has more green space than almost any other home project. It also tends to bring more varied and upscale commercial than other developments would attract.

Further development brings in increased tax revenue for continued infrastructure support. No new development dictates tax increases due to the obvious fact that maintenance costs do inflate.

In other words, if you think about it, you are complaining just to be complaining. If you got the development freeze by The Villages for which you wish, you might REALLY have something about which to complain.

Touche!

After reading all the posts after the OP.............the doom and gloom went away!

bbbRight On- "becareful what you wish for, you may get it"!!!

Quite an astute observation, and well presented.

Question:

Should we be more worried that the developer will reach a point of build out, or that they won't?

Personally, I don't think it matters. The developer has shown a significant commitment to developing and maintaining a prety special community. My neighbors all seem happy here and are pretty great people. My best suggestion is to not overextend yourself in having fun, so that it won't stress you too much with a little traffic or a couple of extra minutes in the grocrty line. I tried to leave that behind when I retired.

To hear those who say TV is "becoming overcrowded" or already is, an unknowing person would think TV were building all the new homes into existing neighborhoods.

But they are not! They're built on added land.

It's low-density here, with everyone on their own lot with their own single-family home. I agree with the poster who said you don't find an area much more heavily traveled than Hwy. 441/27 corridor. South of 466 and 466a are fine.

Every time The Villages is mentioned in other areas of the state and nation, it is described as "sprawling" and that is an apt description. It's spread-out.

Nice post!

We purchased in 2007 - the best decision we ever made. We want others to enjoy the same opportunity.

As Sunny said, the homes will be built on added land. The Developer isn't squeezing the homes into existing Villages or building on our golf courses.

I would much rather have The Villages develop the land rather than some unknown developer. The open land will be developed one way or another.

The very large area of farm land across from Pinellas, on 466A, is not part of The Villages. It is owned by other developers, and still no word as to what is going to be built there. I believe that is what the OP is referring to.

Having lived in Coram and Middle Islander I can say TV is an improvement over both and Patchogue! Ribit ribit, that's the sound of a frog! These others constantly looking for negatives can spend their time doing that, I'll spend my time enjoying this beautiful place!

mxptlzy!

All this will be a benefit to the developers for sure-what benefit is it to the rest of us??? I ifor one will miss seeing the cows and the rural like setting!!! At this point I think some would call it greed/??

Since the new house will be in Wildwood & Fruitland Park--will there be a CDD, if not I don't see the requirement to float a bond--without bonds--these house will place nearby houses @ a disadvantage--when it comes to resale

Even without a bond, there will be pricing parity. The infrastructure work must still be paid for. The value of the bond will be added to construction cost as part of the selling price.

As many have pointed out, it is better the developer than some Joe Blow who doesn't have the developers high standards. It is NOT greedy for the Morse family to think about the thousands of people they have on their payroll, they keep them working. And in so doing fund allied industry. Do you not think that after a certain level of financial success that getting more money is no longer the issue. Perhaps the Morse children are following their fathers's dream for the most beautiful and best maintained city on this earth? They are making history. The Morse children don't have to work, but they are still working, and as a result we have the lowest unemployment in the state here in Sumter county. Keeps folks off the welfare roles.

AND....The Morses give large sums of money to The Republican Party.

As of January 2015, Sumter County has the second highest unemployment rate in the state at 7.7%, second only to Putnam County at 8.4%. Monroe County (Key West and the Keys) historically has the lowest rate in the state at 4.1%.


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I agree with you. I bought in Silver Lake 15 years ago. If I knew it was going to be this big I would have not bought. Love TV 9 months of the year. We go to the Caribbean Feb, Mar. and April. Problem solved.

So your view is that if the developer doesn't develop it the cows and rural like setting will be there for eternity for you to enjoy?

Of course some would...hardly making it so.

Funny - my neighbors and I were just talking about this the other day. My house was the 4th completed in the Village of Charlotte, and we moved in January of 2012. Our agent told us that The Developer was entering the final phase of the buildout, which would end in - OH WOW - 2016.

It's packed here - and I came from NYC where we are really packed. The shopping at Colony has become almost intolerable, and Pinellas will become just like it soon enough. The pools are crowded, and more and more folks who live near me are now building their own. Some of the clubs have a minimum 2 years' waiting list just to join. The facilities at the local rec centers are inadquate for the numbers of people looking for various classes, or for local clubs to hold events. The 466A corridor is still has no car wash (please, someone build one on Rt 44!).

We like living here, mostly due to our fabulous network of friends and neighbors, but it's becoming more and more difficult to enjoy the "lifestyle" because of over-crowding. You guys living in the areas north of 466A are fortunate - your areas are already built out. Although we don't see ourselves moving, this isn't exactly what we signed up for.

There is that word again - greed! Its use on TOTV sure makes me wonder...

Who are the truly greedy? So often we read there are not enough golf courses, not enough yoga sessions, not enough free swim sessions, not enough lifelong college classes, not enough restaurants, not enough pickleball courts, not enough beginner level games, too much traffic, ETC! So many people are always complaining and whining for MORE benefits and fewer people to use them. It seems that greed can be a door that swings both ways!

IMO; it's more that new residents feel duped than greedy. Their real estate salesperson probably never said 'see all these beautiful facilities. Too bad you'll never be able to use them because they are already full'.

Nobody knows what will happen with Mark Morse at the helm, but he is not the benevolent person that Gary Morse was (may he RIP).

What makes you say that??? What if he read that??? He is a person too. He was the one that offered to build the church on the square into a performance facility but the "committee" turned him down. Eventually he did anyway.

I see no reason to think Mark Morse is sub par.

I get so tired of the Morse bashing and some of you get tired of the Morse complementing. You bash. I compliment.

Snarky Gracie. Who doesn't work for the developer but would like to shake one of their hands.

As long as wherever a home is built, there is the corresponding businesses and amenities that still makes living here, a paradise. I know there are some areas that people feel a need for another supermarket, etc but.........

Why is there such a bias for not letting other people enjoy the great lifestyle that some people, take for granted.

If they build it, they will come. With more people retiring than ever, they should have the right to enjoy the same priviledges as the rest of us. IMHO

After a while, there will no more land to fit anymore homes and all of us don't know when, that will happen.

BTW - Would it kill someone if they had to travel another 10 to 15 minutes to get what they need?