Nuclear Agreement
 

Preliminary Agreement reached. Good Start.

Great leadership and determination by great Americans!

Up next on Fox News we'll have an expert on making deals with Iran - Oliver North.

How does anybody know it is a good start.
Now they have to sit down and read to find out what they agreed to sign.
Remember those famous words, let's pass it so we can see what is in it.
Before I would do any chest thumping I would like to know the upside and downside of the agreement.

WAIT...don't tell me:

"IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!"


Sounds like another snow job.

Kerry stated today we have details we are still working on. We have time he said. It will take Iran at least a year to "begin phasing".

I for one would like to know what that means.
Is it possible Iran can do whatever they want until the phasing begins?
They want sanctions relief now.
We want American prisoners released....they are looking at it.

I guess we will have to wait and see what we learn over the next few days.
I am sure Obama will be front and center soon telling us what a good deal we have...that we have made history....see I told you we could work with our enemies.

And yes you will be able to keep your plan and your doctor.

Daniel Henninger (WSJ) 4/2/15 wrote "Why the Iran Deal Is Irrelevant"

He summed it up with two words North Korea

It's no longer a question of "if" republicans will want to kill this deal. The question is how they will go about failing to do so.

Can we at least agree that it would be good to know and understand what is in the agreement. THEN we can all make an informed decion/opinion.

I know it is a foreign concept but some of us do not have an opinion yet without knowing. Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence.

This deal stops nothing. Its a fraud. Iran will be keeping all their facilities and continue to do research. If this is a good deal then why not submit the deal to the Senate and let them look at it?

Wow, once again the right is wishing for failure. They/ you have been doing this for six years, enough! All you care about is hatred for this administration and don't give a damn about this country!

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America wants to know why an American marine is still being held captive and tortured in Iran. give this soldier the dignity of life. I thought we don't leave a soldier behind no one negotiated for our marine.

He obviously is not of the same value to the Obama administration as was Bergdahl. Slective enforcement......very confusing and to the enemies advantage.

NBC news coverage this eveing stated the best I have heard. We DO NOT have an agreement. We have a framework from which an agreement will be developed.

It took 16 months of concessions to get a framework!
And now we are to believe there will be a signed agreement in less than 3 months? Not in this century.

Iran's negotiator refused to agree with Kerry on what to announce. He also refused to have a joint press conference.

And then there is this little aftershock:

Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement | Washington Free Beacon

Iran is definitely acting as though they have all the cards and dealing from strength.
We on the other hand are STILL tip toeing and already peddaling the "good news" that even Iran says Obama and his team are not saying it like it is.

Prediction:
There will be no agreement with Iran.
Iran will as they reiforced after the meeting today, continue with their nuclear program.

It just looks like amateurs negotiating with the devil.

That's rich ... a Leftie who accuses conservatives of not caring about the Country

You've stumbled into an interesting point ... it's Obama and the Iranians allied against the Republicans and Israelis

The sad reality is Obama has proven himself multiple times to be untrustworthy.

Thus, I don't trust him nor this "deal" ... it's a pathway to nuclear weapons for Iran and thus nuclear jihad against the US at some point in the future.

In short, by virtue of selling the US down the river with the Iranian agreement, Obama has overtaken Neville Chamberlain as the biggest chump in the last 100 years

Another summary of the content of the framework for agreement.

The article is frought with concern because of vagueness, ambiguity or complete lack of commitment to anything.

The last sentence sums it up .......it doesn't appear that Iran has agreed to anything specific. Now doesn't that sound familiar? An agreement lacking specifics negotiated by an administration that specializes in lack of specificity.

Projecting a signed agreement by 6/30?

Anybody wanna bet?

This link belongs to the above post:

The gray areas in the Iran deal - Michael Crowley - POLITICO

How much is it going to cost the USA? We are broke.

As we all knew he would, he was at the microphones to take his bows. As one reads through the account it becomes worrisome the number of if's and when's that are used. Also the vision of unacceptable alternatives...like do you want this or war?

Anyway here is the overview of his taking his bows, Obama-style:

President Obama

Once again the plight of the imprisoned marine is no where near the table. Maybe Obama is working another Bergdahl-like deal with Iran......something like OK so let em have one bomb?

What it boils down to is ... Obama is over his head and has given us "peace in our time" ... so disheartening to see this joker as the leader of the Free World even though he doesn't' believe in it and never has.

Probably less than the trillions of dollars it would cost to go to war with Iran, and thousands of lives that would be lost.

How much will it cost when Iran engages in nuclear jihad against the USA down the road ... say an EMP attack over the Midwest or covert nuke smuggled into New York City?

At that point, money will no longer matter.

This is the exact same point made in 2002 to justify going to war in Iraq. If only those inspectors had been given the time they requested to inspect for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the world could look a lot different today, and the US wouldn't have had to borrow trillions of dollars to pay for the war and hundreds of thousands of people would not be dead.

It's not the exact same argument but we've already discussed this several times on this board so we'll "move on."

Bottom line is ... Iran is stringing us along, and Obama is complicit. They will negotiate like rug merchants, and not let the inspectors in. Duh ... who could have guessed? You have to KNOW that Iran WILL cheat which means they will get nukes. It's obvious they will never relent on that. Only the threat of credible military force couple with sanctions will deter them. Why is that so hard for you, and people who are on your side of the political aisle, to understand??

Thus, we are now placed in a path to war, ironically enough, because Israel will strike at some point because Obama has left them no choice, and we will get sucked in. Even while negotiating Iranian leaders said the destruction of Israel was "non-negotiable!! WTF?? Obama doesn't say a word about it? Iran continues to expand it's influence military in Yemen and elsewhere. We are now living in some kind of alternative universe.

Obama will sell this pig in a poke and most credulous low information citizens will say yes, we want peace etc but that's not what they'll get. Democracies never disappoint in this manner ... we get to learn it again the hard way.

On a related comment, if you have any relatives in Israel, now would be a good time for them to start looking for a new place to live.

Again Daniel Henninger said the agreement is irrelevant and cited North Korea's behavior.

General Hayden said the framework Obama agreed to will guarantee Iran has nuke's in one year.

All Iran wanted was to get the sanctions off their backs.

All Obama/ Kerry wanted was to distract what their manifest incompetence has created in the middle east

All liberals want is a way to save face now that they realize Obama is a complete failure, congential liar and has an affinity for the muslim world

Obama is one of the most destructive forces in the world and ironically as it sounds he is still in office because he is black and no one wants to face a liberal kangaroo court and be tried by the liberal media as racist.

Personal Best Regards:

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How about a deal that costs trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, and made Iran more powerful. That was the Iraq war deal.

Correct.
Obama handed Iraq over to the junior varsity team of ISSIS. Remember them?
They have spawned into the terrorist force replacing AL Queda......compliments of our own Obama.

If ISSIS is the junior varsity I wonder how he categorizes Iran.

These events have certainly solidified his legacy.....pretend there is no problem....tell we the people there is no problem.....act as though there is no problem.

I wonder if other negotiating parties from Russia, France, China, Germany and Iran are getting same kind of negative backlash. They are not black, however, could they also be construed as a complete failure, congenital liar and have an affinity for the muslim world (or he western world for Iran). I always heard "keep your friends close and your enemy closer."

So what is the point.....the USA has a failed nuclear agrrement with Iran because of a black man?

Ahem... 1/2 black man. chilout

It is pretty clear that the goal was an agreement at any cost and the terms of the agreement are secondary. It is more likely than not that this will turn out to be a bad deal for everyone but Iran and we have been played. That is what happens when you send light weights to the negotiating table and Iran knows the goal is an agreement, at any cost, to satisfy a political agenda.

Maybe trump should have went. At least he knows how to make a deal and when to walk away

No, the point is that Iran is negotiating with several world powers and is potentially coming out isolation. Iran is not only negotiating with a black man. This is ground breaking as opposed to the isolationism that was pervasive in the US before WWI and WWII.

and that is even more impressive than if he was only black! The US has come a long way! Even the blacks AND whites voted for him.

Has anybody read or heard anything in the agreement that STOPS Iran from working toward or completing a nuclear weapon?

Since they have gone to great lengths to bury and harden where their nuclear work is done.....is it feasable they also have facilities not known to anybody?

A country, Iran, that has sworn to eradicate Israel....has sworn to not deal with infidels.....has sworn to kill Americans and destroy American assets....
openly sponsoring and supported terrorism worldwide.....has stated during the negotiations Iran will not be denied it's nuclear rights....

this is a country to be trusted? By who/whom?

No, nothing stops them. The fatal flaw in this agreement is Iran is allowed at some point in the future to attain a nuclear capability. That is equivalent to America signing its own death warrant because it means nuclear jihad becomes inevitable.