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Guest 04-28-2015 07:52 AM

That troublesome truth
 
COMMENTARY

LEONARD PITTS JR. JUST WHAT IS PARTISAN ABOUT THE FACTS?

Obama is a Muslim,” it said. “That is a FACT.”
As best I can recall — my computer ate the email — that was how the key line went in a reader missive that had me doing a double take last week. It was not the outlandish assertion that struck me but, rather, the emphatic claim of its veracity. We’re talking Shift-Lock and all-caps so there would be no mistaking: “Obama is a Muslim. That is a FACT.”
Actually, it is not a fact, but let that slide. We’re not here to renew the tired debate over President Barack Obama’s religion. No, we’re only here to lament that so many of us seem to know “facts” that aren’t and that one party — guess which
— has cynically nurtured, used and manipulated this ignorance for political gain.
Consider a recent trio of studies testing the effectiveness of fact-checking journalism. They were conducted for the nonpartisan American Press Institute, and their findings actually offer good news for those of us who fret over the deterioration of critical thinking and the resultant incoherence of political debate.
Researchers found, for instance that, although still relatively rare, fact-checking journalism has been growing fast and saw a 300 percent rise between 2008 and 2012. Also: Most Americans (better than 8 in 10) have a favorable view of political fact-checking. Best of all, exposure to fact-checking tends to increase respondent’s knowledge, according to the research.
But like stinkweed in a bouquet of roses, the studies also produced one jarringly discordant finding: Republicans are significantly less likely to view fact-checkers favorably. Among those with lower levels of political knowledge, the difference between Republican and Democratic voters is fairly small — 29 percent of Republicans have a favorable view, versus 36 percent of Democrats. Surprisingly, among those with higher levels of knowledge, the gap is vast: 34 percent of Republicans against 59 percent of Democrats.
The traditional rejoinder of the GOP faithful whenever you bring up such disparities in perception is that they mistrust “mainstream media” because it is biased against them. Putting aside the dubious validity of the claim, it’s irrelevant here. Fact-checking journalism is nonpartisan. One would be hard-pressed, for example, to paint PolitiFact as a shill for the donkey party given that it regularly dings Democrats and gave President Obama (“If you like your health plan, you can keep it”) its uncoveted Lie Of the Year award for 2013.
That being the case, one can’t help but be disheartened by this gap. What’s not to like about journalism that sorts truth from falsehood? What’s partisan about fact?
Nothing — you’d think. Except that, for Republicans something obviously is.
Perhaps we ought not be surprised given the pattern of party politics in recent years. On topics as varied as climate change, health care, terrorism and the president’s birthplace, GOP leaders and media figures have obfuscated and prevaricated with masterly panache, sowing confusion in the midst of absolute clarity, pretending controversy where there is none and finding, always, a ready audience of the fearful and easily gulled.
As a political strategy, it has been undeniably effective, mobilizing voters and energizing campaigns. As a vehicle for leadership and change, it has been something else altogether. When you throw away a regard for fact, you throw away the ability to have effective discourse. Which is why American political debates tend to be high in volume and low in content. And why consensus becomes impossible.
The API statistics documenting the lack of GOP enthusiasm for fact-checkers, ought to tell you something. Who could have a problem with a fact-checker? He or she is your best friend if what you’re saying is true.
You would only feel differently if what you’re saying is not.
Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for the Miami Herald. Reach him at lpitts@miamiherald.com.

Guest 04-28-2015 08:11 AM

When the fact-checks are as false as the original subject matter then that's where we have a problem. Is much of anything on the up-and-up anymore?? Pretty near everything is manipulated, fraudulent, and deceptive for the personal gain of some.

Guest 04-28-2015 01:07 PM

Earl Landgrebe, I know you are posting here again

Guest 04-28-2015 05:58 PM

It just ain't true unless faux news or loudmouth Limbaugh preach it. The rest be damned!

Guest 04-28-2015 06:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1052673)
It just ain't true unless faux news or loudmouth Limbaugh preach it. The rest be damned!

Please, we've discussed this multiple times already.

Unless you want to continually embarrass and prove yourself to be uncreative, you simply HAVE to come up with a better slam than the tired and worn out phrase "Faux News"

I mean ... it really sounds pretty dumb.

Guest 04-28-2015 08:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1052691)
Please, we've discussed this multiple times already.

Unless you want to continually embarrass and prove yourself to be uncreative, you simply HAVE to come up with a better slam than the tired and worn out phrase "Faux News"

I mean ... it really sounds pretty dumb.

It only sounds dumb to the sheep that are guided in their every thought and utterance by it. Faux, meaning artificial or fake is a perfect description of Roger Ailes Right wing propaganda outlet, nothing dumb, or more importantly, incorrect about it.

Guest 04-28-2015 10:34 PM

I would like to know how one who dilikes Fox News is so adept at what they say and do to be able to compare and comment?
Just kidding.
We all know they know nothing at all about what Fox News presents. They don't need to know. Why? Easy.
Their stock answer to ANYTHING in opposition to their cause.
Also shallow and boring and demeaning to others in their party.......as if that matters!

Guest 04-29-2015 07:23 AM

All the MSNBC lovers on PF should probably start DVR'ing their favorites shows because it sounds like the channel won't be around that much longer.

Peacock Down: NBC News, MSNBC suffered revenue declines in 2014 - POLITICO.com

An excerpt:

...Meanwhile, MSNBC suffered catastrophic ratings declines as its programming drew increasingly stale and irrelevant. Its total viewership was down 14 percent from 2013, to a daily median of just 334,000 viewers. Those losses resulted in a 5 percent decline in ad revenue, which brought total revenue down 1 percent from 2013. Meanwhile, CNN’s revenue was projected to rise by 3 percent, while Fox News' revenue was projected to rise 6 percent

Guest 04-29-2015 07:58 AM

NBC and any of it's affiliates are just too politically polarized. They are nothing more than a democratic liberal one for one amplifier/parrot.

And that in and of itself gets old and yesterday's news very quickly.....just like here on this forum.

Guest 04-29-2015 09:26 AM

MSNBC deserves to die, as does fox news. Both present totally slanted and biased views which confuse issues and tend to feed into their viewers prejudices. Neither network serves the public good. If one has to hear and see only that which fits their worldview, they will remain blissfully ignorant of the broad issues that confront us.

Guest 04-29-2015 09:28 AM

Fortunately there are many alternative resources.

Guest 04-29-2015 09:34 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1052995)
MSNBC deserves to die, as does fox news. Both present totally slanted and biased views which confuse issues and tend to feed into their viewers prejudices. Neither network serves the public good. If one has to hear and see only that which fits their worldview, they will remain blissfully ignorant of the broad issues that confront us.

Well, you have a problem. Right now, people are able to watch whatever channel they wish at least until the radical liberals ultimately outlaw that through some fraudulent future FCC ruling or whatever.

The current freedom stems from the first amendment as well as basic market forces involving supply/demand. People prefer Fox News because it covers news other networks often don't, and Fox has an entreating lineup of personalities ... Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly etc.

MSNBC is going down the tubes because people are simply changing the channel and refusing to watch it.

In the meantime, we will all nonetheless try to be as objective and enlightened as you are by reading the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, NPR and other 100% neutral, objective media sources ... right?

Guest 04-29-2015 01:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1053003)
Well, you have a problem. Right now, people are able to watch whatever channel they wish at least until the radical liberals ultimately outlaw that through some fraudulent future FCC ruling or whatever.

The current freedom stems from the first amendment as well as basic market forces involving supply/demand. People prefer Fox News because it covers news other networks often don't, and Fox has an entreating lineup of personalities ... Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly etc.

MSNBC is going down the tubes because people are simply changing the channel and refusing to watch it.

In the meantime, we will all nonetheless try to be as objective and enlightened as you are by reading the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, NPR and other 100% neutral, objective media sources ... right?

You are obviously one that remains blissfully ignorant of the broad issues that face us today.

Guest 04-29-2015 02:52 PM

I have a hard time watching Bill OReilly for too long only because he has such a large ego. However he does a good job of hitting everyone and anyone head on. Megan Kelly, like O'Reilly and a number of other news people on Fox are hard hitting and clearly demonstrate that they do their homework.

On the other hand the alphabet stations MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC clearly show their bias by ignoring news that they view is unfavorable for liberals or rewrit its history. People who gt their news from alphabet stations would do as well to get news from The Today Show, The View or The Talk

so doesn't it make sense that if you have news people who throw soft pitches questions as if they were celebrity reporters rather than than news people looking for the truth that something is wanting. ....So Mr. Obama what's your favorite color? do you really floss after every meal?

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 04-29-2015 05:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1053175)
You are obviously one that remains blissfully ignorant of the broad issues that face us today.

Actually quite the opposite. I'm pretty much up to date on all the broad issues because I read or watch all types of media from across the spectrum -- with the exception of msnbc because it's just too mind numbing

When you read all sources you can readily tell where the ideological emphases or preferences are. It's pretty obvious actually.

Question-- do you actually ever watch fox or read national review .. or do you just attack them? Not trying to be pointed about it btw ... just asking.


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