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Guest 08-18-2015 12:31 PM

Citizens or Not?
 
Donald Trump's (actually written by Jeff Sessions) immigration plan says that children born to undocumented immigrants in the US are not US citizens.

Doesn't Article I of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution say they are citizens?

This would be challenged quickly and the Supreme Court would likely render a swift ruling. How would that ruling go?

Guest 08-18-2015 12:36 PM

They'd tell Sessions YOU'RE FIRED and Trump will change the subject.

Guest 08-18-2015 01:18 PM

People born in the United States are citizens. What Trump suggests is that since parents of such children will be deported then it follows they will not want to break up their families; albeit it is possible illegal parents can leave their kids with relatives who came here legally.

However this entire discussion is futile because it will never come to pass. heck politicians can't even seem to agree to terms on securing the border.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 08-18-2015 02:01 PM

If Trump's plan had been in place, neither Jindal, Rubio, Cruz or Santorum would be US citizens.

Guest 08-18-2015 02:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1101413)
People born in the United States are citizens. What Trump suggests is that since parents of such children will be deported then it follows they will not want to break up their families; albeit it is possible illegal parents can leave their kids with relatives who came here legally.:


No, you are wrong. Read Trump's immigration plan and it specifically states that birthright citizenship will be stopped.

Wouldn't that take a constitutional amendment to achieve?

Guest 08-18-2015 02:41 PM

My guess is that the Supreme Court decision would be 8-1 saying the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to anyone born in the USA regardless of the legal status of the parents.

The one dissent vote would probably be Clarence Thomas.

Guest 08-18-2015 02:51 PM

Not all people born in the US are automatically US citizens. there are exceptions to the 14th.

Guest 08-18-2015 03:29 PM

How does Trump's plan help with the Hispanic vote? Most experts say in order for the GOP to win in 2016, they must get 40% of that vote. George Bush got 40%, McCain got 30% and Romney got 25%. Anyone see a pattern developing here?

Guest 08-18-2015 03:44 PM

Since Trump considers President Obama to be an "illegal" since he was not born in the USA, would his immigration plan also require the President to leave the country?

Guest 08-18-2015 03:51 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1101476)
Since Trump considers President Obama to be an "illegal" since he was not born in the USA, would his immigration plan also require the President to leave the country?

Lot a good that would do us now. The horses are already out of the barn. Closing the door doesn't do any good. How much damage can Obama do once he leaves office? I mean, the only thing he is qualified for is hosting SNL. He is a comedian after all. No one takes him seriously even now.

Guest 08-18-2015 03:51 PM

The exceptions to the 14th amendment are children born to foreign diplomats or hostile forces are not automatically U.S. citizens. It would take another amendment to rescind the 14th amendment.

Frequently Asked Questions: Defending Citizenship Under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution | American Civil Liberties Union

Guest 08-18-2015 05:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1101434)
If Trump's plan had been in place, neither Jindal, Rubio, Cruz or Santorum would be US citizens.

Oh really, I don't believe that is a true statement! Since their parents or grandparents entered legally!

Guest 08-18-2015 05:29 PM

No one takes President Obama seriously. Then, what is the big deal about the Iran agreement. He isn't serious about vetoing Republican's opposition to the agreement. Just vote no on the agreement, why pretend that you are looking at all the options? As soon as he put it forward, the Republicans were against it. Why wait? No one is going to believe the illusion the Republicans are trying to put forward. That they actually care about anything, but themselves.

Guest 08-18-2015 05:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1101528)
No one takes President Obama seriously. Then, what is the big deal about the Iran agreement. He isn't serious about vetoing Republican's opposition to the agreement. Just vote no on the agreement, why pretend that you are looking at all the options? As soon as he put it forward, the Republicans were against it. Why wait? No one is going to believe the illusion the Republicans are trying to put forward. That they actually care about anything, but themselves.

What has your comment got to do with OP's original post?

Guest 08-18-2015 05:35 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1101528)
No one takes President Obama seriously. Then, what is the big deal about the Iran agreement. He isn't serious about vetoing Republican's opposition to the agreement. Just vote no on the agreement, why pretend that you are looking at all the options? As soon as he put it forward, the Republicans were against it. Why wait? No one is going to believe the illusion the Republicans are trying to put forward. That they actually care about anything, but themselves.


Well, I guess we know where you stand.


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