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Guest 09-28-2008 05:02 PM

The Good News And The Bad News
 
The good news is that as of Sunday evening, it looks like the terms of bailout legislation have been agreed upon. Getting the bad mortgage loans off the books of the banks is a critical step towards stabilizing the worldwide financial system.

The bad news is that the U.S. can't accomplish the bailout by itself. We are beholden to foreign lenders who in the long run may not be all that friendly towards the U.S.--China and the oil countries of the Middle East. Read the following article from today's Wall Street Journal Online...(See the printed article in a reply below. The link only works for subscribers to the WSJ. Sorry.)
The lesson we should all learn from this situation is to listen carefully to what candidates for elected office are saying to us in the interest of getting themselves elected. Does it make sense to anyone that a country that has so much debt that it has to go hat in hand to two countries that might not be so friendly can afford a tax cut? Does it make any sense that the next time our Congress tries to pass spending legislation (like the huge spending bill passed yesterday!) that includes all kinds of earmarks, pork-barrel projects and adds significantly more to our alrready bloated national debt--that the taxpayers should rise up and say NO!...that the next time these legislators run for re-election we throw them out of office?

Folks, unless we begin telling our elected representatives that they (we) have to begin living within our means and begin to pay down our humongous national debt, they will spend us into being a weakened, second-rate nation. And they'll tell us that they plan to do it because it sounds good and they think it'll get them elected. That will mean that we should be prepared to pay more in taxes and suffer the inconveniences of significant reductions in spending by the federal government.

If we don't begin to accept reality we'll continue to elect people who will destroy the United States of America.

Guest 09-28-2008 05:13 PM

Kahuna, thank's for the link but I'm unable to open all of it unless I'm a subscriber... :confused:

Maybe that's okay because I haven't liked what I've read so far. :swear:

Guest 09-28-2008 06:32 PM

It WILL be interesting to hear if the candidates for President continue to promise the spending programs !!!!

Guest 09-28-2008 07:27 PM

Here's The Article
 
Sorry for the "subscriber only" link. Here's the article, cut and pasted from the Online WSJ...

Financial Troubles Humble U.S.
By BOB DAVIS

September 28, 2008
Washington


The success of the pending rescue of the U.S. financial system probably depends as much on the central banks of China and the Middle East as on Congress and the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. is turning to foreign governments and other overseas investors to buy a good chunk of what could total $700 billion in Treasury debt expected to finance the bailout. Foreign investors also are needed to shore up the depleted capital of the nation's financial institutions, seen in the plan by Japan's Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group to buy a large stake in Morgan Stanley, which is weighed down by bad debt and market distrust.

This is a bittersweet moment in U.S. economic history. In one sense, the growing importance of foreign cash represents the triumph of a half-century of U.S. proselytizing for a global financial system in which money flows from those who have it to those who need it. But it is also an unmistakable sign of U.S. economic decline. The global financial system the U.S. designed had anticipated that American banks and financial firms would be the world's financial lifeguards; now those institutions are like exhausted swimmers a stroke or two away from drowning.

The financial crisis makes clear how much the interests of foreign lenders have become a top concern in Washington. A big reason the Fed and Treasury stepped in to rescue mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, say U.S. financial officials, was to reassure foreign leaders including China, which holds roughly $1 trillion in U.S. debt, that U.S. securities were safe. "Superpowers do not normally ask their diplomats to reassure other nations on questions of credit-worthiness," says former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.

Just 10 years after the U.S. oversaw the financial rescue of Asian nations, the U.S. now risks becoming the world's largest subprime borrower. This change of fortune has been hard to swallow. In a televised address Thursday, President George W. Bush blamed the current financial crisis on the "massive amount of money [that] flowed into the United States from investors abroad," rather than on greedy decisions by U.S. mortgage lenders and borrowers. In Friday's presidential debate, both candidates railed against U.S. economic dependence on China.

Powerful nations have been humbled before by an overdependence on foreign capital. Council on Foreign Relations economist Brad Setser notes that Britain was forced to end its seizure of the Suez Canal in 1956 because of U.S. opposition. Washington's main weapon: its threat to slash financial support for Britain, whose economy had been battered by World War II.

The U.S. isn't in remotely as bad shape as postwar Britain. It still is the world's sole military superpower, and the U.S. currency is still dominant. The latter is important because even if foreign holdings of U.S. debt grow, as is likely, the U.S. alone prints the dollars needed to pay those debts.

Even so, foreign lenders have a great deal of sway. If they were to dump U.S. government debt -- or be unwilling to buy more -- the interest rates needed to attract buyers of Treasurys would soar. The already fragile U.S. economy would absorb yet another hit.

China, Saudi Arabia and other big foreign holders are unlikely to take antidollar measures precisely because they own so much U.S. debt. To the extent the dollar declines, so does the value of those nations' holdings. Mr. Summers calls this situation "the financial balance of terror."

But it is naive to assume that this so-called balance will protect U.S. interests indefinitely. Senior Chinese economists have voiced growing dismay about the outlook for the dollar, and the introduction of an additional $700 billion in debt might drive the currency's value down further, at least in the short term. "I think foreigners are being taken for a ride by the U.S. government," says Andy Xie, an independent economist in Shanghai.

Sovereign-wealth funds -- huge government investment funds -- have largely sat on their hands rather than buy additional stakes in U.S. financial firms. China Investment Corp., for instance, has been wary of increasing its investment in Morgan Stanley after it was criticized sharply at home for taking equity stakes in U.S. financial companies that have nose-dived.

In the Middle East, too, state investment funds in Kuwait, Qatar and Abu Dhabi say they have no plans to jump to the rescue of ailing Wall Street banks. In one hopeful sign for the U.S., some smaller state funds are looking for bargains in real estate, finance and insurance. "For investors that have the liquidity and have patient capital, I can see good opportunities," said Talal Al-Zain, chief executive of Bahrain's $10 billion fund, Mumtalakat.

The U.S. economy has managed to grow in recent years, even though Americans don't save much and the government has run huge deficits, because foreigners kept lending. The same was true in the 1980s. Now the U.S. needs foreign capitals to keep lending. C. Fred Bergsten, director of the Peterson Institute for International Economics, a Washington think tank, says the Treasury will have to stage a "road show" to explain the rescue plan to overseas lenders who may be considering euro investments instead.

Domestically, the reliance on foreign money means a loss of autonomy that Americans are simply going to have to get used to. Part of the accommodation is already occurring. The controversy over investments by sovereign-wealth funds has been reversed. Last year, lawmakers worried the funds would gain political influence by investments in U.S. companies; now U.S. policy makers are worried that they won't buy new stakes. Efforts to erect restrictions against foreign trade may also lose momentum. The U.S. needs the world's money more than it thought it would and won't want to rile potential lenders.

Guest 09-28-2008 07:38 PM

Thanks, Kahuna. Just as I suspected, makes me even more irritable with the current financial mess. It's not over by a long shot, is it? :22yikes:

Guest 09-28-2008 07:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 162586)
Thanks, Kahuna. Just as I suspected, makes me even more irritable with the current financial mess. It's not over by a long shot, is it? :22yikes:

Does anyone recall folks saying they would destroy us from within..look at what has happened here....we are under attack on all sides and yet we continue down the same path !

Guest 09-28-2008 08:28 PM

How about a little at home (USA) creativity.....
 
$700 billion dollars per year being sent to the miseast for oil.....not a one time $700 billion....it is per year and growing.

How about a really novel idea to stop sending that amount of money out of the country every year which in part provides the ability for them to buy back into our autonomy.

How about congress work around the clock until they come up with an energy plan that makes a dent in the foreign dependence.

I guess the threat of no oil doesn't impact the 435 + 100 so until it does....zippo.

It is such an easy trade off.....yet no action.

As I have said before, many times, just wait till the flow of oil is cut off....then watch the fur fly and the finger pointing....but I fear that is what it is going to take.

Just watch and wait n' see.

BTK


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