A Trip To The Villages Hospital
 

Last night my neighbor came over and asked if I would drive her and her husband to the hospital as her husband was had been sick the last few days and suddenly he had experience severe chills, vomiting and wanted to take him to "Urgent Care" to help with the sudden unexplained severe problems.

After taking him to "Urgent Care" in the Villages Hospital and a few feet from the Emergency Room we were told that "Urgent Care" office closed at 7pm (we arrived at 7:10pm) and to please go to the Emergency room next door for assistance.

We then proceeded a few feet next door to the Emergency room around 7:15 and told to fill out "paperwork" all the while suffering sweats, chills and fever. We were told that a blood test would give results as to what might be the trouble and so we waited...and waited...and waited until around 12:30 which was about 5 hours from when we arrived.

After taking the couple back in the back for a blood test and waiting and waiting until another 4 1/2 hours had past we finally got the results and were told that the "techs" had gone home at 7pm and they were short handed and so 9 hours after arriving we were told he had a kidney infection and was given antibiotics and another hour to check results

We had talked to several people that had spent SEVERAL hours "waiting" to be helped and I cannot believe how long we waited and will NEVER go to "that" hospital as have been told MANY times that "Monroe" Hospital is the ONLY hospital that will give "quality" service and NOT make you wait 5+ hours WAITING on someone to help you then waiting another 4 hours to get test results

Think I'm being impatient? Try asking "anyone" that NEEDS immediate care and has attended "The Villages" Hospital Emergency Room and has to wait 5 1/2 hours before even being waited on and another 4 hours for a blood test !! :cus:

Yes, that sounds like it was very frustrating for all of you.

One question does occur to me. If the neighbor had been feeling that same way for a few days, why didn't they go to an Urgent Care facility or his own doctor's office during the daytime?

Hope he is doing better.

This is the high season. They triage and take life threatening emergencies first. That happens in all emergency rooms. I am glad it was something that was treatable and that he had a friend who stood by him for all those long hours.


I have had occasion to go to several different hospitals with someone for an emergency similar to your friends over my life. The wait is always long and they treat breathing emergencies and heart emergencies and severe bleeding trauma first. Pain and suffering take a back seat. I am not defending this hospital, only telling you that is what has happened to me, and in some mighty fine hospitals too. On the other hand when we have had to take our grandson in with asthma attacks, he gets right in. He was having a breathing emergency.


I am glad that the end result was good. It is wise to have a physician here, even if you are a snowbird so that things don't progress to this dangerous level.

We have friends that were here one day when she fell and hit her head on the parking lot, blood all over. The EMT's and fire trucks arrived and immediately transported her to TV hospital. She was there over 6 hours, had several tests including an MRI. Both could not believe how busy the emergency room was, wall to wall patients needing attention. While they were there a long time they couldn't say enough about how well they were treated, how caring and attentive the staff was under obviously stressful and crushing circumstances. To the OP, who would you have suggested they bump in order to get to your friend?

9 plus hours in an emergency room in a so called state of the art hospital is uncalled for. First not feeling well for a few days and then to experience sudden fever, chills & vomiting had to be scary. Sitting in a medical facility & not receiving the attention needed had to be quite stressful. In my opinion, time period involved is unacceptable. Glad you were there to help out & I hope your neighbor is feeling better.

Don't count on Monroe being any faster. Been there and had the wait. It is the way it is in most emergency rooms.

Seems the op went there on Saturday night after Urgent Care closed. If the person had been ill for several days already the triage nurse probably determined it was not a high priority and needed to be behind breathing, heart and stroke symptoms. And yes, you will wait that long at Munroe or any other ER, just depends......
The Villages hospital gives super excellent care.

I'll spare everyone the boring details but to say that after a six hour wait what I got from TVH was an expensive insurance bill and little else.

In my humble view it should be unlawful for any medical facility to operate if they cannot reasonable accommodate people. I thought the first rule of medicine was "First Do No Harm"

This has been a continuing complaint, in TV, for many years now with promises it will be fixed. With boasts of advance and top technologies, etc Residents seek succor.

People keep encouraging others to go to Urgent Care. I did and for three weeks they treated me for the wrong thing.

So who are you going to trust? If this same deplorable situation exists in other cities we are in deeper trouble then we realize.

A part of the problem is with those of us who continue to demand free stuff because it is their right but the problem with this philosophy is that those free stuffers forget the sister to their rights is their responsibility not to abuse their bodies and not to abuse the system... but I digress

Great post.

My mom had four visits to The Villages Hospital, since she moved to the area in 2014. Two of those visits included stays in the ICU. I cannot express how pleased I was with the level of care she received, starting in the ER. One of the visits was for stitches from a fall. Her ER wait time was 3 hours, which was to be expected. I have been in hospitals in Virginia, Maryland and now Florida, and I know from personal experience that the wait times can be long. This is not unique to The Villages by any stretch. My father had two visits to the hospital in Leesburg, and like The Villages Hospital, I cannot say enough positive things about the way he was treated and the care he recevied.

I went to the ER around 11pm with chest pains, backache and copious vomiting last Wednesday. The nurse ran an EKG around 11:30 and told me to wait in the lobby. After no attention from anyone, at 4 am my husband told the nurse that we were going home. Suddenly a doctor was available and he told me I had together admitted to run tests to figure out the chest pain. The nurse told me they had a bed for me she had a bed for me. My husband went home because he had to be at work at 7am. The nurse wheeled me into the ER and put me on a gurney in the hall in the er. I stayed on that gurney for 16 hours flat on my back with a heart monitor on. Finally at 6:30 pm Thursday I was put in a room in the cardiac unit. The rest of my stay was fine but I'll never go to The Villages ER again.

I apologize for the length of this post in advance, but having read most of the threads concerning TVRH over the last year, I think we need to put some perspective on the issues.

First of all, if I were a lay person, my impression of TVRH would be horrible. Many of the stories, IF they occurred as posted, would be open and closed malpractice if there was any injury to the patient. But as you know, there are always 2 sides to any story. No one has to be lying, they just relate the story as they remember it, or as they heard it second hand. Just ask any LEO what they get when interviewing "eyewitnesses" and it's really the same thing. Also, someone who feels they had a "bad" experience is probably ten times more likely to post than those who had a "good" experience

Next, please remember that it is NOT the ER doctors and nurses who are creating a jammed ER and a long wait, it is the volume of patients. The nature of ER medicine is that you can be twiddling your thumbs one minute and overwhelmed the next. Someone above posted that no ER should be allowed to operate if they cannot handle the load. Ridiculous. No ER can staff for peak volume any more than a restaurant or grocery store. All ERs get stuck with 30-40% of patients showing up with non-emergent and non-urgent problems. Those patients will be triaged and have the longest wait. Everyone feels that THEIR problem is the most important case in the ER, but that is most certainly not true

Here are the top 5 patient complaints to hospital administration in Central NY:

1) too long a wait in the ER
2) too long to get a bed if admitted
3) too long a wait for the nurse to answer the call bell
4) the nurse/aide/MD was discourteous
5) the food is bad/cold

Sound familiar? Seen it on TOTV regarding TVRH?
I hope no one thinks that the purpose of opening TVRH was to provide the worst patient experience and the most sub-standard care imaginable?


When I evaluate a post with a complaint, I'm looking at it differently. Was the evaluation appropriate to the complaint? Were the correct tests ordered and correct treatments rendered? Was the standard of care followed? If something went wrong, then why? And what was the medical thinking?
This is called quality assurance, and every hospital has a QA committee. I know something about it having chaired one for many years.

The QA committee get tons of information to evaluate. ER wait times are tracked, so is the wait time for a bed, both in the context of # of patients signed into the ER and # of beds available. All medication "errors" are tracked, all patient complaints are evaluated, even the temperature of food leaving the kitchen and on arrival at the room is looked at. Now, you may get a letter that says something along the lines of "We're sorry to hear you were dissatisfied with your recent hospital experience and we are continually looking at problems and ways to improve them", but behind the scenes these complaints are taken seriously. The QA committee is responsible to report this information and suggestions for improvement to the Executive Committee--which by the way I have also chaired---and the Executive Committee along with the Board of Governors --which I also been a member of---is legally responsible to the State Health Department. All hospitals undergo a periodic review either by JCAHO or the State Health Department or both, and trust me, these are VERY SERIOUS evaluations.

So, to look a little closer at the post I quoted. As posted, this is unacceptable, but I would have many follow up questions, since it is impossible to evaluate the quality of care from the information given:

1) How long were the symptoms present before going to the ER?--if they were constant for 3 days, and the EKG was normal, it is highly unlikely to be cardiac in origin. More likely to be digestive in nature, Did they do pancreatic enzymes?, or a RUQ ultrasound? On the other hand, if the symptoms started within the hour, this is ACS (acute coronary syndrome) until proven otherwise

2) what did the EKG show, and was it looked at immediately by the doctor?

3) Did they run immediate Troponin I (cardiac enzymes), and since the patient was there 24 hours, 2 more sets and serial EKGs?

4) Did they give the patient an aspirin to chew on arrival. Did they give NTG? MSO4-?

5) I am a little confused by a cardiac unit admission after 24 hours. Everything that would be done in the CCU in the first 24 hours should have been done, then a determination of whether the patient is stable for a stress test or needs cardiac cath would be made. So, did it turn out to be cardiac, or was it cholelithiasis, or pancreatitis, or gastritis? Was it a kidney stone? Was it a herniated disc?

As you can see, there's a lot more that goes into this than the waiting time

In a perfect world, we all could walk into an ER, or urgent care, or a doctor's office and they would be waiting for us to arrive and instantly diagnose and treat us. Not happening, not in this world

Lastly, as far as never going to the TVRH ER again, beware of absolutes. If you have a life threatening injury or medical event at Spanish Springs, guess where you'll be happy to go, and be happy that it's there

Sure hope they did a urinalysis and culture if they were diagnosing a UTI. Blood test is pretty useless for that diagnosis. Culture needs to be followed up for organism and sensitivity to whatever drug was given. The urinalysis alone can be misleading as a high fever alone can produce white blood cells in the sample which is often mistaken as proof of a UTI. Recent study of adults with white blood cells in urine sick enough to be admitted to a hospital found that only 42% of those patients had a UTI.
Sterile Pyuria in Patients Admitted to the Hospital With Infections Outside of the Urinary Tract
I do not intend this to imply your friend did not have a UTI but it is my opinion that too often the diagnosis of UTI and too often the diagnosis of sinusitis or bronchitis is made as a way to justify an antibiotic and get out of my ER or office. Follow up is important. Hope your neighbor does well. You are a very nice person to drive and apparently stay HOURS with your friend.

In answer to your questions:
1. The symptoms started at 7pm.
2. The EKG showed ok and before I saw the doctor at am, only the nurse reviewed it.
3.No to everything.
4. No to everything. Of course I was still vomitting so it would not have stayed down.
5. Can't answer why they put me in the cardiac unit at 6:30 pm on Thursday. Maybe it was the only available bed. As for the final diagnosis, still don't have one. I'm having CT scan on my gallbladder Wednesday.
Finally, I sort of resent the implication that I'm lying about my experience. And let me apologize for my typing, it's hard on my iphone.

Please, please don't take it that way---I even went out of my way to state I don't believe any of the posts regarding bad experiences were "lying" Not specifically you, but many other posts are second hand, and we all know what that means.

So, with this info, a little more kibitzing, for what it's worth.
Given the nature of your symptoms and acute onset, you should have had an EKG, cardiac enzymes and a PHYSICIAN evaluation within the hour, preferably less. The aspirin might have trouble staying down, but they could give you IV ondansetron for the vomiting, and the nitroglycerin is sub-lingually absorbed and the morphine is IV. An EKG done 1/2 hour after onset of symptoms usually shows nothing, and should be repeated a hour later. Same is true of cardiac enzymes. Changes in both the EKG and bloodwork take some time to evolve.
That being said, it sounds like this is not cardiac in origin, or things would be different by now. A CT for gallbladder?? 85% of gallstones are radiolucent and therefore will not show on a CT. It will show common bile duct distention and get a better view of the pancreas, but it is typical to get an ultrasound first, especially if your amylase and lipase (assuming they did them) are negative.
Good luck and get better soon, rest assured I was not doubting your veracity