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Warren Kiefer 03-29-2017 04:05 PM

Goodbye clean air and clean water
 
Trump just signed an order that reduced the funding of the EPA by 25%. He also removed a lot of enviorment
regulations from big coal. We now have no guarantee that we will have clean water and a polluted nation !! How do you republican voters l
ike this ???

Rockyrd 03-29-2017 04:12 PM

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Trump just signed an order that reduced the funding of the EPA by 25%. He also removed a lot of enviorment
regulations from big coal. We now have no guarantee that we will have clean water and a polluted nation !! How do you republican voters l
ike this ???

Let us just hope that the UNIVERSAL acceptance of need for environmental regulations is just dead wrong, and that President Trump is correct that it is simply a hoax from China.

billethkid 03-29-2017 04:18 PM

nothing more than removing a political BS special interest game.

No impact when implemented and same when eliminated.

ColdNoMore 03-29-2017 05:58 PM

Barron will one day, through the haze, be hacking and spitting...on his old man's grave. :ohdear:

Reiver 03-29-2017 06:04 PM

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Barron will one day, through the haze, be hacking and spitting...on his old man's grave. :ohdear:

Which, under the now repealed regulations, would have made the grave a protected wetlands...

maureenod 03-29-2017 07:31 PM

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Let us just hope that the UNIVERSAL acceptance of need for environmental regulations is just dead wrong, and that President Trump is correct that it is simply a hoax from China.

Trumps golf course in Ireland is falling into the sea. He has applied for permits to build a sea wall, reason given " global warming" .

ColdNoMore 03-29-2017 07:41 PM

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Trumps golf course in Ireland is falling into the sea. He has applied for permits to build a sea wall, reason given " global warming" .

I know...right? :1rotfl:

The idiocy, hypocrisy and lies from this scumbag...is beyond the pale. :oops:


Climate Denier Donald Trump Seeks Sea Wall for Golf Course | Time.com

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The Trump International Hotel in Ireland applied for a permit to build a seawall on its golf course to prevent erosion. Politico reports the permit application included an environmental-impact statement that explicitly said the wall would need to be built to combat “global warming and its effects.

Now get busy in spinning that...you Trump cultists. :1rotfl:

Reiver 03-29-2017 09:55 PM

Spin what? The word "anthropogenic"?

ColdNoMore 03-29-2017 10:04 PM

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Spin what? The word "anthropogenic"?

Nice fail. :thumbup:

Intelligent people already know it's just another word for..."selfish conservatives with heads up their a$$." :1rotfl:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Reiver 03-29-2017 11:14 PM

A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

rubicon 03-30-2017 05:34 AM

Trump is off to a good start but if he is to be effective he needs to address and update the findings on the 2009 endangerment findings which were predicated on the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report of UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which was already outdated and not properly peer-reviewed as the federal government requires. there has been more than a decade of actual v model data which has noted a hiatus in global-warming since 1998 and a breakdown in the correlation between the world's average temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels causing the UN to revise down its 2007 projection rate .

The EPA's data concerning the benefits of carbon reduction were 65% guesswork as Bracewell & Giuliani's , Scott Segal explained to congress at a 2015 . Obama rolled out these calculations with NO public comment and because the models never would have survived peer-review

Personal Best Regards:

ColdNoMore 03-30-2017 05:41 AM

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A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

While it is true that it hasn't been proved beyond a doubt that we are contributing to climate change, the fact that so many scientists think we are...is worth taking notice.

The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock.

Best case scenario is that regulations result in cleaner air and water for future generations.

Worst case is that we could have made a difference...but didn't even try.

And yes, I get the "well, China is a much worse polluter and they're not doing anything...so why should we?" argument.

That's analogous however to... "my neighbor doesn't spray for termites...so why should I?"

Pretty ignorant don't you think?



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Don Baldwin 03-30-2017 07:28 AM

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While it is true that it hasn't been proved beyond a doubt that we are contributing to climate change, the fact that so many scientists think we are...is worth taking notice.

The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock.

Best case scenario is that regulations result in cleaner air and water for future generations.

Worst case is that we could have made a difference...but didn't even try.

And yes, I get the "well, China is a much worse polluter and they're not doing anything...so why should we?" argument.

That's analogous however to... "my neighbor doesn't spray for termites...so why should I?"

Pretty ignorant don't you think?



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

And "so many DON'T think we are"...you picked a side...some Jews picked a side too...and followed a guy names Jesus. Who was right? "many people" have opposite opinions.

The earth has been warming since the last ice age ended...BTW...THAT is the "great flood" in the Bible...they were close, they said it was 6,000 years ago..,going by the accuracy of reckoning in pre-historic...meaning pre-writing stuff down...they were pretty close.

Is man helping? Sure, nobody would deny that...but does it matter? Can we stop it? Who knows...nobody does. Warming makes more clouds that reflect more insolation, it may "fix" itself. There are always smaller cycles within larger cycles. We may be on the verge of the second "great flood"...of which there will be stories.

Lets take this phrase of yours and change the context:

"The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock."

The thing that has REAL grave consequences? The minority majority. It is/will destroy this country and eventually the planet. 80% are ignorant and poor...living on less than $10 a day. America is already half minority and as the demographics has changed, so has America...from #1 to #25...ALL because of their increasing numbers and the things we've done because of it.

If you "get it" that China...AND everywhere else is "polluting" and causing global warming...address it, go after the WORST offenders. If you have 10 loans and you can pay off one...you pick the one with the highest interest rate first. Not the lowest.

Warren Kiefer 03-30-2017 12:47 PM

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A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

How do you explain that all photos from space show both polar ice caps are melting at a faster and
faster rare.

dirtbanker 03-30-2017 01:20 PM

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How do you explain that all photos from space show both polar ice caps are melting at a faster and
faster rare.

They have cameras on satellites that are in orbit around the earth. The pictures are transmitted via radio waves. I hope that explanation helps!



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