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mellincf 09-18-2017 11:03 AM

The "true Trump" voter
 
"True Trump” voters – people who voted for the president because they supported him rather than opposed Hillary Clinton – make up about 22 percent of registered voters. It’s not surprising that Republicans are uneasier with the cultural changes of the last few years than Democrats, but among true Trump voters, a solid majority say they are uncomfortable. In fact, if you go on the road and talk to true Trump voters you hear that these cultural changes were often at the root of their vote. The true Trump element of the electorate not only stands apart from the GOP, it also stands against the general demographic trends working their way through the population.
Why '''True Trump''' Voters May Limit President'''s Room to Negotiate - NBC News

CowBubba 09-18-2017 12:13 PM

Ya can't blame voters for taking advantage of a candidate who says things like drain the swamp, build a wall between us and the Mexicans, better Puten and Russia than gays and liberals. Problem is, he has his own lobbyist, he works with liberals and is now favoring the DACA illegal immigrants. So, the trump voters got coned by the don.

Don Baldwin 09-18-2017 12:32 PM

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Ya can't blame voters for taking advantage of a candidate who says things like drain the swamp, build a wall between us and the Mexicans, better Puten and Russia than gays and liberals. Problem is, he has his own lobbyist, he works with liberals and is now favoring the DACA illegal immigrants. So, the trump voters got coned by the don.

We've been conned by EVERY president.

We're conned every time we elect a D or R.

CowBubba 09-18-2017 12:43 PM

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We've been conned by EVERY president.

We're conned every time we elect a D or R.

True. If trump can BS the UN tomorrow we may be back on track, if not America loses because of him.

rubicon 09-18-2017 04:31 PM

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"True Trump” voters – people who voted for the president because they supported him rather than opposed Hillary Clinton – make up about 22 percent of registered voters. It’s not surprising that Republicans are uneasier with the cultural changes of the last few years than Democrats, but among true Trump voters, a solid majority say they are uncomfortable. In fact, if you go on the road and talk to true Trump voters you hear that these cultural changes were often at the root of their vote. The true Trump element of the electorate not only stands apart from the GOP, it also stands against the general demographic trends working their way through the population.
Why '''True Trump''' Voters May Limit President'''s Room to Negotiate - NBC News



Analysis by experts reveal that Trump won the election because political pundits failed to recognize that except for coastal states the American voter did not approve of
the liberal socialist cultural agenda. These voters were focused on those issues that affected their daily lives this include a number of Democrats.

Hillary was an awful candidate and never connected to the people who really mattered, the people she referred to as a basket of deplorable. She was such a bad candidate that even an old socialist was surpassing her.

People didn't vote for Trump per se. They voted for a guy who promised to return America to its traditional values. Will he? Can he? will the Establishment allow him?

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Taltarzac725 09-18-2017 06:13 PM

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Analysis by experts reveal that Trump won the election because political pundits failed to recognize that except for coastal states the American voter did not approve of
the liberal socialist cultural agenda. These voters were focused on those issues that affected their daily lives this include a number of Democrats.

Hillary was an awful candidate and never connected to the people who really mattered, the people she referred to as a basket of deplorable. She was such a bad candidate that even an old socialist was surpassing her.

People didn't vote for Trump per se. They voted for a guy who promised to return America to its traditional values. Will he? Can he? will the Establishment allow him?

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Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes and squeaked by with winning the Electoral College by a very small margin in just a few states. James Comey's announcement of the Anthony Weiner e-maim investigation sunk Clinton's chances. She should have won easily if not for Weiner's weiner pictures.

MDLNB 09-19-2017 04:29 AM

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Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes and squeaked by with winning the Electoral College by a very small margin in just a few states. James Comey's announcement of the Anthony Weiner e-maim investigation sunk Clinton's chances. She should have won easily if not for Weiner's weiner pictures.

Obviously, you ignore FACTS in favor of your biased, liberal rhetoric. To say that Trump "squeaked by...with a very small margin of electoral votes" is ludicrous. He won by Approx. a two thirds majority. And you have the audacity or IGNORANCE to say he "squeaked by." Either you are parroting flawed liberal talking points or just plain stupid.....or both.

And keep dwelling on the fallacy of winning the popular vote means you won the election and your side will lose again and again. Being the scholar you claim, why don't you go back and review the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution. It might enlighten you, DA. I understand they have a copy of the Constitution available in the Library, any Library.

mellincf 09-19-2017 06:40 AM

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Obviously, you ignore FACTS in favor of your biased, liberal rhetoric. To say that Trump "squeaked by...with a very small margin of electoral votes" is ludicrous. He won by Approx. a two thirds majority. And you have the audacity or IGNORANCE to say he "squeaked by." Either you are parroting flawed liberal talking points or just plain stupid.....or both.

And keep dwelling on the fallacy of winning the popular vote means you won the election and your side will lose again and again. Being the scholar you claim, why don't you go back and review the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution. It might enlighten you, DA. I understand they have a copy of the Constitution available in the Library, any Library.

The Electoral College was established in 1787 when votes had to be counted by men going around on horseback. There was no way to collect the popular vote back then. The real question in this election may be, how did the Russians know to attack the exact electoral districts which ended up being the swing districts? Did they have help from the Trump campaign, which had the data? Today's news indicates they are going to indict Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign.
Investigators explore if Russia colluded with pro-Trump sites during US election | US news | The Guardian
Paul Manafort was told by federal prosecutors they plan to indict him: Report - CBS News

leftyf 09-19-2017 08:22 AM

I voted against hillary twice. It would take an idiot to vote for her. I would vote for obama first.

rubicon 09-19-2017 08:22 AM

You are entitled to your opinion but not the facts
 
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The Electoral College was established in 1787 when votes had to be counted by men going around on horseback. There was no way to collect the popular vote back then. The real question in this election may be, how did the Russians know to attack the exact electoral districts which ended up being the swing districts? Did they have help from the Trump campaign, which had the data? Today's news indicates they are going to indict Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign.
Investigators explore if Russia colluded with pro-Trump sites during US election | US news | The Guardian
Paul Manafort was told by federal prosecutors they plan to indict him: Report - CBS News

Like Hillary herself ,progressive seem to be placing blame and making excuses anywhere and everywhere they can because they cannot accept that Hillary was an awful candidate. Again even Bernie the socialist was beating her until the DNC stepped in and on the poor guy.

Only the coastal cities voted for Hillary.

More importantly grasshopper, you misinform about the reason for the Electoral College. The Electoral College wasn't created because people could not count the popular vote. It was created to protect the minority view so that states with larger populations such as California with more people could not infringe on the rights/views/votes of people in South Dakota with a smaller population.

All one has to do is recall what has been happening in California in the last year or so and recognize the wisdom of the Electoral College. Does anyone believe that the rest of the country thinks and behaves as does California?

The Democratic Party should not have anointed Hillary as the chosen one. she carried all liabilities and no assets. the Democratic platform didn't even appeal to many Democrats because it was and is too far leaning
why is it the Dems will now support pro life candidates... that's a rhetorical question.

Its long overdue that this nation come together for our own sake

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mellincf 09-19-2017 09:16 AM

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Like Hillary herself ,progressive seem to be placing blame and making excuses anywhere and everywhere they can because they cannot accept that Hillary was an awful candidate. Again even Bernie the socialist was beating her until the DNC stepped in and on the poor guy.

Only the coastal cities voted for Hillary.

More importantly grasshopper, you misinform about the reason for the Electoral College. The Electoral College wasn't created because people could not count the popular vote. It was created to protect the minority view so that states with larger populations such as California with more people could not infringe on the rights/views/votes of people in South Dakota with a smaller population.

All one has to do is recall what has been happening in California in the last year or so and recognize the wisdom of the Electoral College. Does anyone believe that the rest of the country thinks and behaves as does California?

The Democratic Party should not have anointed Hillary as the chosen one. she carried all liabilities and no assets. the Democratic platform didn't even appeal to many Democrats because it was and is too far leaning
why is it the Dems will now support pro life candidates... that's a rhetorical question.

Its long overdue that this nation come together for our own sake

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California wasn't even on the radar for another 70 years, South Dakota for another 80 years. Do you really think the Founders even knew the extent of the continent? Geez, read a history book. Lewis and Clark - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

CowBubba 09-19-2017 11:19 AM

I don't have a problem with Hillary loosing but I am sickened that trump beat out some wonderful republicans. I had and still have him in the bottom two of all the candidates.

Don Baldwin 09-19-2017 11:24 AM

The elector can vote any way they choose...so what does that tell you about your "vote"?

rubicon 09-19-2017 12:22 PM

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California wasn't even on the radar for another 70 years, South Dakota for another 80 years. Do you really think the Founders even knew the extent of the continent? Geez, read a history book. Lewis and Clark - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Whoa there grasshopper I was speaking to the founders intentions. The founders recognized the fallacy and dangers of a democracy and so they crafted the US Constitution and in particular The Bill of Rights so that a majority could never circumvent their intent of freedom for all. I used today's populations in California and South Dakota to emphasis exactly how prescient and precise the founder were in their creation of our Articles of Freedom.

Educators long ago stopped teaching students about government. a vast majority of people in this nation continue to believe that the majority rules. it is because of this ignorance that we continue to lose our freedoms
the founders strove for freedoms and freedoms were interpreted to be for the individual and not the group.

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rubicon 09-19-2017 12:32 PM

We All Need A Refresher Course in Government and Civics
 
“Individual rights are not subject to a public vote.”

Despite our founders’ antipathy toward pure majority rule, many today feel that our founders’ opposition to unlimited democracy can be squared with political determination of everything by adding the phrase, “also protecting the rights of the minority.” However, as Ayn Rand put it, “Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by minorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).” Consequently, our lack of Constitutional knowledge means that believing in protecting the rights of minorities does not actually protect them when they are outvoted.

Since Americans don’t clearly understand their constitutional rights against government abuse, the unwise habit of deference to political majorities results in those rights being steamrollered whenever more than 50 percent vote to do so. Examples are plentiful because—despite the Constitution’s imposition of strictly limited, enumerated federal powers—there is no area it does not now reach, if not dominate. And with our protections eroding, majority voting controls more and more of what our founders thought they had made off-limits to political determination.

Sadly, as we can’t effectively defend what we are only vaguely aware of, American inattention to the highest law of the land puts our most essential rights and liberties at risk. We may think we have inalienable rights, as the Declaration of Independence asserts. But those rights are protected by the Constitution only if we know what they are and we remember that the federal government was not granted power to take them away based on any simple majority vote. Unless we once again take our rights as seriously as our founders and vigorously defend the Constitutional safeguards that maintain them—even against majority pressures—the system of self-government our founders left us will continue to erode. But when we don’t even recognize the irony of a federal mandate to promote understanding of the Constitution, especially when it is inconsistent with the Constitution, we are unprepared to do anything to effectively preserve its protections against government abuse.

–Gary M. Galles is a professor of economics at Pepperdine University.

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