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GoodLife 11-07-2017 08:23 PM

Apartments or town homes could be part of massive Villages of Southern Oaks developme
 
Early this year, The Villages announced it would build 11,000 homes or more on 4,518 acres, mostly south of the Florida Turnpike, east of U.S. 301 and on both sides of County Road 468.

The amendment would permit construction of 26,590 homes, up 31 percent from the previous maximum total, on 8,059 acres, up more than 78 percent from the prior land area.

Non-residential uses, including commercial, would be cut about 45 percent to 925,000 square feet while governmental and office uses would be increased by 166 percent to 765,000 square feet.

More at another news site

TNLAKEPANDA 11-07-2017 08:33 PM

If apartments and condos come to the Villages then it's time to find another place to live. Crime is already on the rise.

vintageogauge 11-07-2017 08:43 PM

It's only a matter of time before that happens. There are already apartments on 466A, Sumter Grande I believe.

GoodLife 11-07-2017 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1472183)
If apartments and condos come to the Villages then it's time to find another place to live. Crime is already on the rise.

I don't think apts and condos lead to more crime, what the main news is the huge increase in density. The article got it wrong saying increase in 31% when its actually more like 200% increase. Also of note is decrease in commercial space.

vintageogauge 11-07-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1472202)
I don't think apts and condos lead to more crime, what the main news is the huge increase in density. The article got it wrong saying increase in 31% when its actually more like 200% increase. Also of note is decrease in commercial space.

There is a lot of commercial zone land on both sides of 468 and 301 that is not owned by TV, I would assume at this point those that own that land are sitting on a gold mine and I would guess that at some point Coleman will be getting on board for either residential or commercial.

GoodLife 11-07-2017 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1472210)
There is a lot of commercial zone land on both sides of 468 and 301 that is not owned by TV, I would assume at this point those that own that land are sitting on a gold mine and I would guess that at some point Coleman will be getting on board for either residential or commercial.

Could be but this is clearly a signal that The Villages development execs have decided they want to develop less commercial space rather than more. Brownwood may have given them a clue.

dotti105 11-07-2017 09:11 PM

Sumter Grande on 466A is an Independant Living facility, there is also an Assisted Living Facility and a Memory Care facility there. No apartments.

GoodLife 11-07-2017 09:16 PM

There are a few townhomes at Glenview CC, overlooking the driving range.

Also some townhomes at Spanish Springs

GoodLife 11-07-2017 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1472210)
There is a lot of commercial zone land on both sides of 468 and 301 that is not owned by TV, I would assume at this point those that own that land are sitting on a gold mine and I would guess that at some point Coleman will be getting on board for either residential or commercial.

It appears that Villages development execs might not agree that commercial development is a goldmine, as they would increase not decrease their plans. Perhaps Brownwood gave them a clue.

manaboutown 11-07-2017 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1472224)
It appears that Villages development execs might not agree that commercial development is a goldmine, as they would increase not decrease their plans. Perhaps Brownwood gave them a clue.

Gotta keep the Morse Air Force flying and the Morse yachts sailing!

vintageogauge 11-07-2017 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1472224)
It appears that Villages development execs might not agree that commercial development is a goldmine, as they would increase not decrease their plans. Perhaps Brownwood gave them a clue.

Perhaps the owners of the land would not accept the offers. With 26,000 homes going up there sure as he-- will be a commercial area and if not 441/27 better start adding lanes now.

twoplanekid 11-07-2017 10:07 PM

I am confused as to who owns what properties in the Southern Oaks development area that needs to be changed from over 55 to “just” senior living. While it would be helpful in the long run to have townhouses/ apartments for younger workers in our city, I am not sure how the sharing of amenities would be accomplished to be fair to all.

GoodLife 11-07-2017 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1472251)
Perhaps the owners of the land would not accept the offers. With 26,000 homes going up there sure as he-- will be a commercial area and if not 441/27 better start adding lanes now.

The difference between leasing commercial property from The Villages vs independent owners can be considerable. So I am not disagreeing with you. Firm believer in "if they build it they will come"

rubicon 11-08-2017 05:10 AM

And Some Call This Paradise
 
The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc (TVLSI) (The Developer) has much control and influence in the tri-county area. As such developers, politicians, realtors, etc really don't care about managed growth and the affect it has on people. Its all greed.

This issue is the reason TVLSI pushed hard against the repeal of Sumter One. TVLSI wanted all 5 county commissioners in its back pocket and here we are

If the information the OP obtained is accurate this area is going to be so dense people will have to live in shifts to golf, shop etc.

The wide range of housing prices is also problematic

Too many residents on this forum had shown a mistaken fealty toward the developer, which is to say the least puzzling.

The simple truth is the developer took a way of life common to Florida and California and expanded on it.
and the developer did it as cheaply, transferring liabilities to others and reaping record breaking profits.

The Developer focused on how many housing units he could squeeze in an area.

And because of that fact bike and walking trails were ignored and multi-modal paths utilized.

As a consequence the MMP's resemble I-4, walkers looked distressed and annoyed and bottle necks appear everywhere. and some call this paradise..but I digress

Two Bills 11-08-2017 05:30 AM

""The amendment also removes a stipulation that residents must be age 55 or over, but would require that the project is consistent with federal and Florida fair housing requirements for age-restricted communities.""

Juvenile Delinquents! :22yikes: :22yikes:


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