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LittleDog 04-01-2018 01:37 PM

Paraday
 
I have noticed a lot of newspaper ads for this company as well as billboards. This has got to cost a pretty penny. I was playing golf with a person who had on a Paraday visor and shirt. I asked her how they could afford all those ads. She said they had many clients so could afford it. How many can they have when they are just a local company? She also told me that those seminars are free for attendees.

I do not have any investments with this company and if I did I would be a little concerned where they were getting all this money for those ads. Just curious.

John

Wiotte 04-01-2018 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleDog (Post 1529036)
I have noticed a lot of newspaper ads for this company as well as billboards. This has got to cost a pretty penny. I was playing golf with a person who had on a Paraday visor and shirt. I asked her how they could afford all those ads. She said they had many clients so could afford it. How many can they have when they are just a local company? She also told me that those seminars are free for attendees.



I do not have any investments with this company and if I did I would be a little concerned where they were getting all this money for those ads. Just curious.



John



Do a search on the commission rate for annuity brokers, then you’ll know how he can afford those billboards.
Broker 1 Retiree 0

BTW, annuities are not investments.

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manaboutown 04-01-2018 03:08 PM

Life insurance and annuity peddlers...I just checked their website. They have a "Paraday Learning Lounge" for their "seminars". lol

vinricci 04-01-2018 06:08 PM

Went to one of his seminars a while back. Not impressed. Each table is seeded with one of their present clients. Presentation never mentioned what Parady actually did with your money, instead it repeated ad nauseum how several Christmas's ago Mr Parady used the co pa you credit card to pay off several peoples layaways. When I asked the couple seated at our table who had been Parady clients what was being done with their money, they had no idea but they liked him.

biker1 04-01-2018 06:36 PM

I have been to a few of their seminars. I did not find the content particularly deep and it is clearly aimed at making people comfortable with the organization (but I am always looking for detailed presentations). They bring in a fair number of guest speakers. They primarily sell annuities and insurance but also have a financial advisor business at what I believe is an above typical percentage fee. The commissions on annuities can be pretty attractive and that can fund a lot of efforts to attract even more new business. I suspect they are pretty good at analysis of your financial situation and showing you that annuities will be appropriate. The real question is do you want to use annuities and insurance - there are other options. Their chocolate chip cookies are pretty tasty. I am not a customer.

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Originally Posted by LittleDog (Post 1529036)
I have noticed a lot of newspaper ads for this company as well as billboards. This has got to cost a pretty penny. I was playing golf with a person who had on a Paraday visor and shirt. I asked her how they could afford all those ads. She said they had many clients so could afford it. How many can they have when they are just a local company? She also told me that those seminars are free for attendees.

I do not have any investments with this company and if I did I would be a little concerned where they were getting all this money for those ads. Just curious.

John


l2ridehd 04-02-2018 05:16 AM

They are annuity salesmen selling high commission products. The only person an annuity makes sense for is a compulsive gambler who will go through all their money unless it is tied up where they can get at it. Or someone who knows for a fact that they will far outlive the actuarial tables for their current age. And the biggest downside is your investment money is now tied to a single insurance company. Zero diversification.

mrf6969 04-02-2018 05:52 AM

My Villages investment counselor has several hundred clients, has a modest home, does drive an upscale car. He does not take lavish vacations and is a personal friend. I asked him about Parody not long ago. He said he really could not ethically comment but only winked and stated, "yes it does make one wonder how they can afford their high priced advertising".
For me I think this Parody outfit has found a soft target.

biker1 04-02-2018 06:16 AM

It goes beyond that. Some people just want a guaranteed income stream and annuities are one way to generate that. Diversification can be achieved through multiple annuities. I doubt those who have annuities have all of their money tied up in them so there will automatically be some diversification. They are not a vehicle that I would use but I can see how they might be attractive to some.

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1529183)
They are annuity salesmen selling high commission products. The only person an annuity makes sense for is a compulsive gambler who will go through all their money unless it is tied up where they can get at it. Or someone who knows for a fact that they will far outlive the actuarial tables for their current age. And the biggest downside is your investment money is now tied to a single insurance company. Zero diversification.


karostay 04-02-2018 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleDog (Post 1529036)
I have noticed a lot of newspaper ads for this company as well as billboards. This has got to cost a pretty penny. I was playing golf with a person who had on a Paraday visor and shirt. I asked her how they could afford all those ads. She said they had many clients so could afford it. How many can they have when they are just a local company? She also told me that those seminars are free for attendees.

I do not have any investments with this company and if I did I would be a little concerned where they were getting all this money for those ads. Just curious.

John

I've been wondering that myself great question
Billboards all over the place ,full page newspaper adds
Tv exposure ,Store front offices and Villages rent isn't cheap.
Money is coming from someone somewhere
Like to hear a clients prospective

l2ridehd 04-02-2018 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1529191)
It goes beyond that. Some people just want a guaranteed income stream and annuities are one way to generate that. Diversification can be achieved through multiple annuities. I doubt those who have annuities have all of their money tied up in them so there will automatically be some diversification. They are not a vehicle that I would use but I can see how they might be attractive to some.

So I divide my funds by 4 and get 4 annuities. That is still VERY limited diversification. Any decent mutual fund will have 30 to 100 stocks and the same number of bonds. Take 100K and one puts the money in an annuity and the other into say Vanguard Wellington fund. Person A has one, maybe two insurance companies. Person B has 50 plus stocks and even more bonds. Look at the rate of return for both products over the past 30 years. Pretty close. And the person in Wellington leave 100K plus to his heirs where the person with annuity has zero. And in my opinion, Wellington by itself is no where near diversified enough.

I personally see almost no situation where an annuity is a good option for anyone except the person selling it. Again, a gambler, someone not capable of managing any money, or someone who has a family history of over 100 year old relatives. There just is no good case to be made for them. Probably less then 1% of the retired population should be in an annuity.

collie1228 04-02-2018 07:11 AM

While I appreciate the concerns expressed about annuities and their high sales commissions, people should be careful stating that they are not for most people. I have a pension from a Fortune 500 company, which is an annuity. And a pretty good one at that, fully funded and secure. So not all annuities are necessarily "bad".

biker1 04-02-2018 10:55 AM

In your original post you stated "zero diversification". I am glad to see that you walked that back. As I already suggested, I doubt many people have all of their money in annuities so they should have some diversification.

There are annuities with survivor benefits so stating that the heirs will receive zero is not necessarily true.

How exactly did you come up with the conclusion that "Probably less then [sic] 1% of the retired population should be in an annuity." ?

I personally neither buy into the concept nor choose to characterize people I don't know as possibly suffering from a gambling issue or possibly being too incompetent to manage their money simply because they have elected to use an annuity. I know several people who don't suffer from either characterization and have an annuity as part of their overall strategy (which also includes mutual funds, ETFs, individual stocks, cash, and bond funds). Again, they don't personally float my boat but I do accept that there is a place for them in a well thought out strategy.


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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1529197)
So I divide my funds by 4 and get 4 annuities. That is still VERY limited diversification. Any decent mutual fund will have 30 to 100 stocks and the same number of bonds. Take 100K and one puts the money in an annuity and the other into say Vanguard Wellington fund. Person A has one, maybe two insurance companies. Person B has 50 plus stocks and even more bonds. Look at the rate of return for both products over the past 30 years. Pretty close. And the person in Wellington leave 100K plus to his heirs where the person with annuity has zero. And in my opinion, Wellington by itself is no where near diversified enough.

I personally see almost no situation where an annuity is a good option for anyone except the person selling it. Again, a gambler, someone not capable of managing any money, or someone who has a family history of over 100 year old relatives. There just is no good case to be made for them. Probably less then 1% of the retired population should be in an annuity.


l2ridehd 04-02-2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1529294)
I personally neither buy into the concept nor choose to characterize people I don't know as possibly suffering from a gambling issue or possibly being too incompetent to manage their money simply because they have elected to use an annuity. I know several people who don't suffer from either characterization and have an annuity as part of their overall strategy (which also includes mutual funds, ETFs, individual stocks, cash, and bond funds). Again, they don't personally float my boat but I do accept that there is a place for them in a well thought out strategy.

I guess that is how things are taken out of context. I NEVER characterized the folks who buy annuities as gamblers or incompetent. I did say those are the only type of people who SHOULD be using annuities. Huge difference.

To each their own. I personally believe that almost no one should be using this investment vehicle. There are so many better investment strategy's available. And I also consider a single annuity which most people who buy them have, to be zero diversification for that part of their investments. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

biker1 04-02-2018 01:03 PM

You actually never used the word "SHOULD". I don't believe anything was taken out of context. The meaning seemed pretty clear to me, although it is now a moving target as you walk things back. I noticed you never answered my question. Whatever ...

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1529346)
I guess that is how things are taken out of context. I NEVER characterized the folks who buy annuities as gamblers or incompetent. I did say those are the only type of people who SHOULD be using annuities. Huge difference.

To each their own. I personally believe that almost no one should be using this investment vehicle. There are so many better investment strategy's available. And I also consider a single annuity which most people who buy them have, to be zero diversification for that part of their investments. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.


Wiotte 04-02-2018 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 1529210)
While I appreciate the concerns expressed about annuities and their high sales commissions, people should be careful stating that they are not for most people. I have a pension from a Fortune 500 company, which is an annuity. And a pretty good one at that, fully funded and secure. So not all annuities are necessarily "bad".



Actually what you have, is a defined benefit plan. Mine is through a Dow Industrial, I’ve never considered it an annuity, simply a pension.


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