Where is the bipartisan process Obama railed about pre-POTUS?
 

The current jaugernaut on health care reform being fueled by Obama, Pelosi and Reid not only states out loud, that it matters not what we the people want...it matters not whether there is ANY bipartisan support.....just go get the magic 60 (WHAT EVER IT TAKES!!!) to ram it through.

Earlier in the process this was an alternative they had all "hoped" would not have to be used. So now that it has become the ONLY they they can advance THEIR agenda it has been the process of choice for months. The media even helps them keep and broadcast the score. Including letting us know what is involved in the payola of each and every hold out (hold out for the payola ONLY nothing more).

We have been slowly but surely brain washed by the media about the number and how to attain it that there is no anger or resentment about the fact the lawmaking process is being prostituted to achieve a minority purpose.

And we the people stare at our boob tubes and permissively, passively watch the un democratic alternative move on to their accomplishment.

As far as I am concerned the 2010 and 2012 elections are too far off. There needs to be a ground swelling of anger arising from we the people to make their point of being tired with being ignored by those who SUPPOSEDLY elected/re-elected them. An anger that makes any gatherings to date pale by comparison. Some how our elected representatives (barf) need to be made to take note.

In that regard the elected KNOW they have nothing to fear as we the sheeple sit idly by and watch legislation that will wreck this country be put into practice for the political gain of a very small representation.....60.

That is not what the constitution is/was about.

A sad day and they will rejoice during our beloved CHRISTMAS eve and THAT too is :swear: not right :swear::cus:!!!

btk

I'm with you BTK, but there have been marches, e-mailing and phone calls, by the gazillions. Congress doesn't care. I, also, agree we can't wait until the next elections. I am really frustrated. Congress knows how we feel, but they are going full steam ahead to push their Marxist agenda. You would think there would be a few congresscritters that had some ethics. How do they sleep at night knowing what they are doing to the country???

If they had a Marxist agenda, how come they're selling the stakes in the banks they bailed out?

Because
 

it would be illegal not to.

Crystal Clear
 

It's very clear that Obama, from the start, tried to mend the division in the parties, but alas, the Republicans have become the party of NO! The only time their ears perk up is when the word "war" is mentioned. It's very sad indeed. :ohdear: We'll see how that works for them in 2010.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!

If in fact the bill holds as currently being "sold to the highest bidder"
 

and if it is passed by the alternative, partisan only 60 votes....I will be anxious to hear how Obama frames up what just happened. How can he address the issue any where near as landmark, historical, good for the people when it will have been a clearly partisan, unpopular 60 majority vote.
60 self indulged as just proven again by Nebraska's Nelson, out of 300,000,000 professing to having just made history passing health care reform for the United States (barf).
As the bumper sticker so aptly stated....if you think health care is expensive now....wait until it is free!!!!!!

A corrupt group of indifferent lawmakers getting away with pandering, begging, cheating, changing the rules, changing the bid all for their each and every single one's personal gain.

And that 60 has the right to speak for we the people....not even an issue in the 60 vermins thoughts.

Re-elect NO ONE in 2010/2012.

btk

The "majority" of the people want SOMETHING done. The hard part is trying to come to a consensus.

I've yet to hear or read a nice concise list of how ANY of the bills floating around DC will even ADDRESS, much less solve, the following issues:

- Overmanaging the supply of doctors
- Access problems in rural areas
- Subscribers dropped when they get sick and are no longer 'profit centers'.
- Overly defensive medicine (too many tests costing too much as a defense against lawsuits)
- Paying orders of magnitude more than other countries for the same medicines.
- Having a FDA/approval/patent system that prevents alternative treatments from getting fully tested so "snake oil salesmen" can continue to make outlandish claims for their "supplements".
- Advertising prescription drugs to the general public causing phone-call logjams at doctor's offices and countless hours wasted by doctors having to explain that "the purple pill" isn't for them.

And this is just what I can think of off the top of my head.

Question
 

So what happens when all these people are forced to buy "affordable" insurance just to find out that it won't pay for many, many things (just like companies do now) and yet they are shelling out on what they were promised?

Oh please. Get your facts straight. All you do is repeat hard left party propaganda. Hear anything about the other health care reform bill that was offered and NEVER brought to the floor for debate or any consideration at ALL?

Obama and his henchman always talk about creating competition in health care to bring costs down and the government is the only one that can do it.

How about letting the 17,000 + health care companies sell and compete across state lines. ANYTHING about that in the health care bill? Or about TORT reform? ANYTHING about that in the health care bill?

Ok, so the Republicans may be the party of no but the Democrats have become the party of socialism, big government, run away spending, thieves, extortion, signing with out even reading and pay-offs.

I'll side with the party of NO.

I would love for you Chelsea to give some details on your statement ! It is very easy and simplistic to make this kind of statement but without any credence or examples, it is just WORDS, but then again that is the mantra !

Please share your reasons for saying such things !!

Health care is a good example of this POTUS and congress pushing through a bill that is not only FULL of "pork" (nothing better to call it) which this President said would NEVER happen....it is being pushed to the line by the end of the year but does not go into affect for YEARS, yet our POTUS says it is vital and a crisis....it is against the public wishes in EVERY poll I have seen....it does NOT address the points he SAID he wanted, YET every ammendment given or offered was scoffed at.

Having said that, this is not simply an indictment of the Democratic party...it applies as well to the Republican party who were calling the Democrats the same thing from 2006 until 2008 if you recall.

It IS an indictment of the POTUS who, one short year ago, promised a lot of things and each day he steps back on ALL of them. I realize that all politicians will make "promioses" they cant keep, BUT THAT WAS THE CORNERSTONE of this President's campaign...that is how he put away Secy Clinton...that is where he got the traction.

All of what is happening is political...all is aimed at the elections in 2010 (ie, they cannot go any closer to the elections with this bill).

I never vocally supported those who say "dump the incumbents" but I now believe that the only way we get any change, not the trite that was promised and ignored from the last election, is to let these folks who simply ignore the future of the country that they cant get away with it !

We certainly will.

The recession is when your neighbor loses his/her job.
 

Depression is when you lose your job.

AND

recovery is when Obama loses his job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

Ever hear of The Patients' Choice Act of 2009? No? I did not think so. The Dems had an agenda and were not going to listen to anyone else. Bipartisian? Please.

NO POLITICS ????


"Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said the White House and the Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives have been pressuring him not to speak out on the "compromise" abortion language in the Senate version of the health care bill.

“They think I shouldn’t be expressing my views on this bill until they get a chance to try to sell me the language,” Stupak told CNSNews.com in an interview on Tuesday. “Well, I don’t need anyone to sell me the language. I can read it. I’ve seen it. I’ve worked with it. I know what it says. I don’t need to have a conference with the White House. I have the legislation in front of me here.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/58921

n his interview with CNSNews.com on Tuesday, Stupak said that the White House "asked me just to hold off for awhile and not to say anything about this language. But as soon as the news broke that they had this [compromise], and they got the 60 votes, folks were asking me, and I’m not going to run from the issue I’m going to stand up and say, ‘Look, here’s my objections.' Here – it’s not just my objections – but there’s a number of my [colleagues] who feel strongly about this issue, and these are the parts that have to be fixed.”

Stupak said he is not alone in being pressured from the White House and the House Democratic leadership – other pro-life Democratic colleagues apparently are, as well. But they plan to hold firm, he said.

“We’re getting a lot of pressure not to say anything, to try to compromise this principle or belief,” Stupak said. “[T]hat’s just not us. We’re not going to do that. Members who voted for the Stupak language in the House – especially the Democrats, 64 Democrats that voted for it – feel very strongly about it. It’s been part of who we are, part of our make up. It’s the principle belief that we have. We are not just going to abandon it in the name of health care."

ALWAYS politics involved but this administration is the most political arm twisting group in quite some time !!!