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refeik 09-07-2018 04:51 PM

Failing Storm Sewers
 
My career as a civil engineer and being in charge many projects
containing storm sewer systems tells me something the failures should not be happening and we haven't been given the rest of the story. We still today have storm sewer systems working just fine with many more than 50 years old. I can only conclude that storm sewers less than 20 years old , many only installed just a few years ago has to be either faulty material or contractors doing inferior work. So now who is paying the huge bill to make necessary corrections, folks, it is you and I. The funds will be tax moneys from the coffers of Sumter County.

kcrazorbackfan 09-07-2018 07:07 PM

Substandard materials and substandard workmanship on the storm sewers just like the roads here; BV, 446, 466a - all the main roads - are really starting to loose that 1" top layer of asphalt and the repair asphalt that is being put in those areas doesn't appear to be much better.

graciegirl 09-07-2018 07:12 PM

This is the time of year of heavy rain and possible sinkholes. We aren't in Kansas anymore. The ground under us is sand and limestone. It drops, pipes break.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...flooded+street

justjim 09-07-2018 07:34 PM

OP, I agree with you the storm sewers in The Villages are not that old and the failures make you wonder about the quality of construction. Here in Florida the soil makeup and amount of annual rainfall could present special construction challenges that could warrant a revisit of construction specifications for storm sewers. I suspect we haven’t heard the last of this issue in The Villages.

graciegirl 09-07-2018 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1579328)
Substandard materials and substandard workmanship on the storm sewers just like the roads here; BV, 446, 466a - all the main roads - are really starting to loose that 1" top layer of asphalt and the repair asphalt that is being put in those areas doesn't appear to be much better.

Here is the Sumter County number for road repair;

Road & Bridge | Sumter County, FL - Official Website

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-07-2018 08:35 PM

What failures? Can someone provide a link to an article or something? Please remember some of us haven't yet purchased a home in TV and are using the ToTV forums to learn as much as we can before making that decision.

ColdNoMore 09-07-2018 08:54 PM

Keep in mind how the whole scam works.

In this state a developer can build infrastructure, have it appraised by those it put in place, get paid for it...then hand off the maintenance to the local entity (usually county).

Consequently, where is the incentive from the developer to ensure high quality in the infrastructure for the long term (versus finding the cheapest contractor to build it), when they've already been paid for them...and others are left to pay for any shoddy workmanship in the future?

Community development district - Wikipedia

Quote:

While the developer controls the BoS, he or she may direct the board to purchase the common property from the developer at highly inflated values determined by special appraisers, who use an income approach appraisal method rather than the standard, cost approach.

This is legal because the appraisal is approved by the BoS. The district manager, hired by the BoS, may administrate for the interests of the developer rather than the residents.


Nucky 09-07-2018 09:06 PM

Something as simple as leftover concrete from a primary job being used to make the pipes or concrete with to much water added or over the time limit can turn the strength of the concrete used to the strength of topsoil. I'm not stating that this happened but if the pipes are failing this is a possible area to look at. There probably is very little quality control to be certain that things are on the up and up.

Check out the Big Dig on Google. Very interesting for sure.

graciegirl 09-07-2018 10:23 PM

Sewer lines breaking is not a common happening here. AND I am shocked that anyone would use the word SCAM.

skip0358 09-08-2018 06:11 AM

What storm sewers are failing ??

graciegirl 09-08-2018 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1579387)
What storm sewers are failing ??

There was a break south of 466A last week and now we have panic.

I am so tired of pot stirring...everywhere...

skip0358 09-08-2018 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1579389)
There was a break south of 466A last week and now we have panic.

I am so tired of pot stirring...everywhere...

If that's the one that was on Pinellas I thought they said that was a lightning strike ?

birdawg 09-08-2018 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1579390)
If that's the one that was on Pinellas I thought they said that was a lightning strike ?

That was Hillsborough.

graciegirl 09-08-2018 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by birdawg (Post 1579398)
That was Hillsborough.

The one south was a lightning strike and the one in the online news was broken during a cleaning. Sumter county is putting up residents at a hotel while being repaired. Is it in Winifred?

spring_chicken 09-08-2018 08:12 AM

Oh it's not just Pinellas. Ask the folks in Winifred.
"Village of Winifred residents are being put up at a local hotel during the disruption of their lives while work takes place on their street. Rainey Construction on Thursday began the repair work on a stormwater drain pipe that failed and caused two large holes and a sunken area in a resident’s front yard. "

At some point, people will realize that some things being called "an act of nature" (sinkhole) were actually due to shoddy construction. The "act of nature" claim releases them from liability.


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