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Kerry Azz 05-03-2019 08:42 PM

McCalls never again!!
 
McCalls employee doesn’t wash his hands?My last time going there!!! Watched a kitchen worker leave the toilet and didn't wash his hands!! Must be a common practice in the villages because the same thing happened at Cody’s in Sumter landing a year ago and I was there regularly 4-5 times a week but never went back afterwards!!
Having owned a restaurant and knowing an employee was negligent in following the simplest rule says a lot about an establishment and the management team. NEVER AGAIN!!!!

JoMar 05-03-2019 08:48 PM

Guess you won't be returning to a lot of restaurants...lot of workers in a lot of business's don't comply with rules or laws in FL.

anothersteve 05-03-2019 09:13 PM

Blaming it on the management is silly. How did the management "knowingly" let it happen? Do you really expect them hold employees hands into the bathrooms?
Steve

mixsonci 05-04-2019 01:43 AM

Did you tell management what you witnessed?

graciegirl 05-04-2019 04:59 AM

I think that at our age most of us deal in the realities of life that are not always pretty.

Talking about it here won't change things.

You could have told her that it bothers you to see her not wash her hands after using the bathroom.

Or you could have just imagined she peed and positioned the toilet paper not to touch her personal area.

These things are taught children in the first five years and now little ones are with caregivers that most parents would not give their car keys to.

I understand your concern, but I will still go to restaurants to eat. We have all survived several decades with this probably happening a lot.

Kerry Azz 05-04-2019 07:20 AM

Training an employee
 
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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1647000)
Blaming it on the management is silly. How did the management "knowingly" let it happen? Do you really expect them hold employees hands into the bathrooms?
Steve

Training an employee To abide by the health code laws is probably the most important part of working in the restaurant industry. Reporting him to management is useless, I’m sure posting a negative message on here may impact their business and hopefully it’ll be discussed in their next employee meeting.

Kerry Azz 05-04-2019 07:23 AM

Actually im a male
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647016)
I think that at our age most of us deal in the realities of life that are not always pretty.

Talking about it here won't change things.

You could have told her that it bothers you to see her not wash her hands after using the bathroom.

Or you could have just imagined she peed and positioned the toilet paper not to touch her personal area.

These things are taught children in the first five years and now they are with strangers that most parents would not give their car keys to.

I understand your concern, but I will still go to restaurants to eat. We have all survived several decades with this probably happening a lot.

It wasn’t a female, and unless this young man pees siting down I’ll assume he was doing #2.

bilcon 05-04-2019 07:26 AM

Are you sure he wasn't in the stall with its own sink. Some people thing a person leaving the stall who doesn't wash at the outside sink didn't wash at all, when they did wash in the stall sink. Just saying.

graciegirl 05-04-2019 07:27 AM

Oh. Up until this moment, I imaged you as a female.

I didn't look closely at your avatar. Is it new? I mean it doesn't matter. I like males and females both, most of them.

ColdNoMore 05-04-2019 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1647038)
It wasn’t a female, and unless this young man pees siting down I’ll assume he was doing #2.


Not that it should even matter.

Washing ones hands after doing your business (whatever it is), then (when possible) using a paper towel or toilet paper on your hands before touching all of the locks/handles getting out of the restroom...is just plain common sense. :oops:

A lot of places have started providing garbage cans near the last door leaving the restroom, to discard that towel/toilet paper wrapped around your hand...and good on them. :thumbup:


JoMar 05-04-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1647037)
Training an employee To abide by the health code laws is probably the most important part of working in the restaurant industry. Reporting him to management is useless, I’m sure posting a negative message on here may impact their business and hopefully it’ll be discussed in their next employee meeting.

I don't think posting on here will make a difference (not a big part of the population are on here) but if you hold out hope and it makes you feel better than good for you. Even when Cody's and others are cited they continue to draw. The only one that I know that was impacted was the Chinese buffet restaurant in Pinellas. I know of none that have been closed because an employee didn't wash their hands. Have you ever noticed how many customers don't wash their hands either?

Rapscallion St Croix 05-04-2019 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1647054)
I don't think posting on here will make a difference (not a big part of the population are on here) but if you hold out hope and it makes you feel better than good for you. Even when Cody's and others are cited they continue to draw. The only one that I know that was impacted was the Chinese buffet restaurant in Pinellas. I know of none that have been closed because an employee didn't wash their hands. Have you ever noticed how many customers don't wash their hands either?

And then go stick their hand in the peanuts.

Cedwards38 05-04-2019 08:18 AM

I agree that it is deplorable, but I bet it happens way more then we realize and we never know it.

DeanFL 05-04-2019 08:34 AM

Must say, the more years I rack up, the more apprehensive I am about eating out/germs/etc.

Not quite at the 'Howard Hughes' stage, but always in the back of mind. Many times in restaurants I really don't want to use the facilities as they may be grimy and cast mind-issues with overall cleanliness. We do try to use hand sanitizer after handling menus and such. Been very lucky so far - no tummy issues after eating out that we know of.

- we never send food back to the kitchen...you know why.
- do they EVER clean menus.
- dislike how the tables are wiped, and the 'cloth'.
- many more I would rather not discuss

We tend to eat out less often than years ago. And the bonus is we KNOW our ingredients in the meal and care in how it's prepared.

This all said, we are going out for lunch and dinner today, dinner tomorrow, and a few times this week. Time to purchase white gloves...:pray:

walterray1 05-04-2019 10:00 AM

Maybe he was the dish washer and has his hands in water enough. As the saying goes we are all going to eat a peck of dirt before we die.

Bogie Shooter 05-04-2019 10:19 AM

I really don't spend any time in restrooms watching what people, employees or not, are doing. Makes me kinda wonder.
Further what about the non employee not washing their hands and then touching the door, then what do you do? Oh, I know don't touch the door.
Probably could go on and on...…..
Posting on here hoping your post will hurt their business also makes me kinda wonder.
And by the way had lunch their with 5 friends on Thursday.....are we all going to get sick and die?
Lastly the fried chicken was excellent.

photo1902 05-04-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1647091)
I really don't spend any time in restrooms watching what people, employees or not, are doing. Makes me kinda wonder.
Further what about the non employee not washing their hands and then touching the door, then what do you do? Oh, I know don't touch the door.
Probably could go on and on...…..
Posting on here hoping your post will hurt their business also makes me kinda wonder.
And by the way had lunch their with 5 friends on Thursday.....are we all going to get sick and die?

Excellent points. Sort of like the people using the hand wipes, scrubbing up like they're going into surgery, prior to going in to the grocery stores. They then proceed to touch many surfaces once in the store.

Henryk 05-04-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647016)
...These things are taught children in the first five years and now little ones are with caregivers that most parents would not give their car keys to.

I understand your concern, but I will still go to restaurants to eat. We have all survived several decades with this probably happening a lot.

Gracie, dear! First five years? I was potty-trained at 2-1/2 years old. When I was three I started training my friends. :shocked:

Inexes@aol.com 05-04-2019 11:44 AM

My husband, retired military, used to work the C and NCO clubs on bases thru-out his career and after retiring. He has always said "never look in the kitchen of ANY restaurant or you will never eat there again". My sister has worked 3 different 5 star restaurants in Pittsburgh over 25 years and she agrees..... don't look at the kitchen. Folks, we have lived long enough to be here at this age after eating in many restaurants in our lives..... we have all lived through it. I don't think it's gonna' get us now!!!

Inexes@aol.com 05-04-2019 11:53 AM

By far, my biggest concern is going into the physician's office, signing in with the pen that every other patient has signed in with...... what brought them to the office???? Then you sit down and pick up a magazine that every other person has been touching..... NO, not me. I carry my own pen and I don't pick up anything any other patient may have touched. Just my old operating room nurse background at work..... Sometime just sit and think what you touch every day of your life and the potential consequences..... then sit back and realize that you have survived it all, lol

Bucco 05-04-2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647016)
I think that at our age most of us deal in the realities of life that are not always pretty.

Talking about it here won't change things.

You could have told her that it bothers you to see her not wash her hands after using the bathroom.

Or you could have just imagined she peed and positioned the toilet paper not to touch her personal area.

These things are taught children in the first five years and now little ones are with caregivers that most parents would not give their car keys to.

I understand your concern, but I will still go to restaurants to eat. We have all survived several decades with this probably happening a lot.

Perhaps it is me. I do not get the constant (two threads alluding to "age") carping on young people as if we (I am 80) were the cleanest, smartest, most intelligent people the planet. As if we were ideal in every way in our time.

WE WERE NOT.

Kitchen back in the 50s were much dirtier and no laws of much to protect us, so harping on the young folks is not only unfair but not worthy.

After the second world war, the "greatest generation" and they earned that title, we think we were the very best, but I do not believe that. Did we have those who broke the law, who were not good people or citizens....sure did, but first of all, anything and everything they did was not paraded to the world on twitter or the news or any of the instant gratification sites we have. Thus what the heck did we even know.

A human being is a human being. We are all products of our culture......used to be that LYING was a terrible thing to do...not so much anymore.

We (my generation), in my opinion, are not as wonderful and perfect as we want to believe. We surely did not live with the pressures that this group of young people are exposed to.

Being concerned about passing on disease and germs is admirable but please, do not pass it off as if we were the cleanest, most hygenic generation.

All this age stuff is just an excuse......and it probably was when we were young.....not sure but sure makes sense.

If you want to use age, and I think it is being used terribly on the two threads involved, so be it, but for me.....I think our young people are smarter, more moral than we think (Please no links to young people and crime) We seem to like to demoralize ourselves with statistics.....but dont see much about the college educated or the outstanding young people we have in this country.

To this thread.......kitchens were much worse when we were young.....laws were inferior inspections were spotty at best so patting ourselves on the back quickly is just wrong.

Let's address the accomplishments of the young people....lets not tell them how wonderful that we were at their age....they are smarter than us and know better

CFrance 05-04-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1647062)
And then go stick their hand in the peanuts.

Eww...

ColdNoMore 05-04-2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1647131)
Perhaps it is me. I do not get the constant (two threads alluding to "age") carping on young people as if we (I am 80) were the cleanest, smartest, most intelligent people the planet. As if we were ideal in every way in our time.

WE WERE NOT.

Kitchen back in the 50s were much dirtier and no laws of much to protect us, so harping on the young folks is not only unfair but not worthy.

After the second world war, the "greatest generation" and they earned that title, we think we were the very best, but I do not believe that. Did we have those who broke the law, who were not good people or citizens....sure did, but first of all, anything and everything they did was not paraded to the world on twitter or the news or any of the instant gratification sites we have. Thus what the heck did we even know.

A human being is a human being. We are all products of our culture......used to be that LYING was a terrible thing to do...not so much anymore.

We (my generation), in my opinion, are not as wonderful and perfect as we want to believe. We surely did not live with the pressures that this group of young people are exposed to.

Being concerned about passing on disease and germs is admirable but please, do not pass it off as if we were the cleanest, most hygenic generation.

All this age stuff is just an excuse......and it probably was when we were young.....not sure but sure makes sense.

If you want to use age, and I think it is being used terribly on the two threads involved, so be it, but for me.....I think our young people are smarter, more moral than we think (Please no links to young people and crime) We seem to like to demoralize ourselves with statistics.....but dont see much about the college educated or the outstanding young people we have in this country.

To this thread.......kitchens were much worse when we were young.....laws were inferior inspections were spotty at best so patting ourselves on the back quickly is just wrong.

Let's address the accomplishments of the young people....lets not tell them how wonderful that we were at their age....they are smarter than us and know better


Good post and nope...it's not just you. :thumbup:

There are a lot of very positive things about the younger generation(s)...that should be applauded.



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Henryk 05-04-2019 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1647131)
...I think our young people are smarter, more moral than we think (Please no links to young people and crime) We seem to like to demoralize ourselves with statistics.....but dont see much about the college educated or the outstanding young people we have in this country.

To this thread.......kitchens were much worse when we were young.....laws were inferior inspections were spotty at best so patting ourselves on the back quickly is just wrong.

Let's address the accomplishments of the young people....lets not tell them how wonderful that we were at their age....they are smarter than us and know better

Bravo! :bigbow:

graciegirl 05-04-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1647148)
Bravo! :bigbow:

Henry. Do you like the Chicken at McCalls? Will you still eat there?

I wasn't talking about age, I was talking about hand washing and restaurant cleanliness in general. And worrying about things that won't change.

I know you are a good cook and I am sure you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom. As do most of us, and our grandchildren. Our kitties do too.

bagboy 05-04-2019 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647167)
Henry. Do you like the Chicken at McCalls? Will you still eat there?

I wasn't talking about age, I was talking about hand washing and restaurant cleanliness in general. And worrying about things that won't change.

I know you are a good cook and I am sure you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom. As do most of us, and our grandchildren. Our kitties do too.

I seem to remember the time when two guys walked into a men's room at the same, one a MI fan, the other a Buckeye fan. When leaving the Buckeye fan started for the door and the MI fan stopped him and said "in MI we wash our hands after peeing" the Buckeye fan responded "in Ohio, we don't pee all over our hands".

Bay Kid 05-05-2019 06:07 AM

How about those beer mugs. Triple dip solution, never wiped and served to you.

BK001 05-05-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1647198)
I seem to remember the time when two guys walked into a men's room at the same, one a MI fan, the other a Buckeye fan. When leaving the Buckeye fan started for the door and the MI fan stopped him and said "in MI we wash our hands after peeing" the Buckeye fan responded "in Ohio, we don't pee all over our hands".

Too funny! :1rotfl:

Chi-Town 05-05-2019 07:52 AM

At McCall's I wash my hands before I go to the bathroom. [emoji6]

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ColdNoMore 05-05-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1647352)
At McCall's I wash my hands before I go to the bathroom.

:22yikes:


:1rotfl:...:1rotfl:...:1rotfl:

pauld315 05-07-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647167)
Henry. Do you like the Chicken at McCalls? Will you still eat there?

I wasn't talking about age, I was talking about hand washing and restaurant cleanliness in general. And worrying about things that won't change.

I know you are a good cook and I am sure you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom. As do most of us, and our grandchildren. Our kitties do too.

I, for one, will never eat their chicken again. I never told anyone except my wife this but in January of last year I got food poisoning from eating their chicken wings. That wasn't bad enough but I had to get on a flight at 730 the next morning after being on the toilet all night. Now I hear that the cook doesn't wash his hands after going to the bathroom ! I will most likely never go there again now.

PNaughton 05-07-2019 04:44 PM

McCalls gives you dinner on the house when it's your birthday. It's worth a few boogers.

Bay Kid 05-08-2019 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PNaughton (Post 1648086)
McCalls gives you dinner on the house when it's your birthday. It's worth a few boogers.

Free food poisoning? Love free stuff no matter what....

Chi-Town 05-08-2019 07:52 AM

The cause of most food poisoning is not the food. It's the food handler. That makes it very hard to dismiss not washing hands after a bathroom visit.

Food Handlers Cause Most Food-Poisoning Cases – WebMD

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DAVES 05-08-2019 08:38 AM

Some things are better not thought about
 
You go to a doctors office. Surely people are there because they are sick. Waiting about you decide to use the restroom. You wash your hands. Then, you touch the handle to get our of the restroom. Surely the hundred or so before you all did the same.

Same is of course true of all food serving places.

Not in Florida but we used to patronize a close by Chinese take out place that is until I saw one of the cooks sharpen his knife on the floor and then go back to food prep with that knife.

As a kid, I had a one day job washing dishes as the dish washing machine had broken down. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

skip0358 05-08-2019 11:00 AM

Ok so you go to a bar sit down, the bar tender picks up the rag and wipes the counter off throws the rag on top of the slop sink asks what you want grabs the glass then the ice then the liquor or wine bottle makes your drink hands it to you and moves on. In the mean time cleans up someones dishes and silverware wipes the bar top again and moves on. Don't see any hand washing there either just saying. Yea your supposed to wash your hands after the Bathroom trip but watch how few don't ! So really every employee in a Bar or Restaurant I'm sure passes germs. If it worries you so much I guess best to stay home! Then again do you know if your house guests wash up ?

justjim 05-08-2019 11:45 AM

Thumbs up to the health inspectors. Just a hunch but my guess they are overworked, under payed and receive few compliments for doing their job. Having a similar job in my young days, (not in restaurants) we were always short staffed and when I got promoted to management I understood how difficult it was to hire additional government employees. Those government employees who monitor, audit and inspect along with local first responders and teachers are to be commended for the work they do. Many times their “findings” more than pay for their salary and benefits. We have eaten at McCalls several times and always had a pleasant experence. On advice of our doctors and nutritionist, we have just begun trying to find more “healthy” foods to eat and that is a big change for us. Unfortunately, I don’t see fried chicken on the list of healthy foods.

PNaughton 05-08-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PNaughton (Post 1648086)
McCalls gives you dinner on the house when it's your birthday. It's worth a few boogers.

They do have a handicapped stall with soap and water inside. We'll never know but chances are that the waiter did wash before going back to work.

Chi-Town 05-08-2019 12:19 PM

Food poisoning including diarrhea and vomiting is mostly a result of the fecal - oral route. Or in layman's terms if you're gonna pinch a loaf make sure to wash your hands after.

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queasy27 05-08-2019 03:16 PM

One of the priority violations at Cody's recently was that the servers didn't wash their hands after clearing tables but before picking up new plates. Restaurants generally have sinks next to the drop-off area for dirty dishes that servers are supposed to use after unloading. Do I think they're all stopping to scrub up multiple times per hour? Nope. (Although I imagine they'd want to after handling plates with strangers' mouth germs, paper napkins that have been used to blow noses, etc.)

It's all gross. I assume I've built up a lot of general immunity over the decades but still try not to think about germs too much lest I become paralyzed. The last time I had a bit of an upset stomach after eating, it was a salad I fixed myself.

I do wear a face mask when I go to the doctor's to try to avoid colds and flu. One guy got a little offended even though as a pulmonologist he should know from coughing. By the way, he didn't wash his hands before examining me.


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