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Chatbrat 05-11-2019 04:11 AM

Golf carts Passing
 
Do you think a golf cart passing 3 other carts is doing slightly more than 20 mph-have seen this often on St Charles & Bailey Tr.

JimJohnson 05-11-2019 05:42 AM

Some people have a hard time retiring. Passing someone is just a macho display of their shortcomings. Just smile and find joy in the fact that you are more mature than hot rod Henry or Henrietta.

missypie 05-11-2019 05:49 AM

Doesn't bother me a bit. Perhaps they are in a hurry to use the facilities.

graciegirl 05-11-2019 06:00 AM

Sometimes people go around. Sometimes it is some kind of one upmanship and sometimes maybe they have to pee. I am not the slowest and I am not the fastest. Well sometimes I am. I am always early, I always plan to be a little early, because that is being a good person.

Don't ask.

Bay Kid 05-11-2019 06:17 AM

With all the beauty in TVs I cruise and enjoy the views.

anothersteve 05-11-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1648880)
Do you think a golf cart passing 3 other carts is doing slightly more than 20 mph

Yes.
On another note, If someone is going 10mph, I will pass them if it is legal and safe to do so.
Steve

photo1902 05-11-2019 07:10 AM

It’s just like driving a car. You pass slowpokes

dewilson58 05-11-2019 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1648880)
Do you think a golf cart passing 3 other carts is doing slightly more than 20 mph-have seen this often on St Charles & Bailey Tr.




Maybe, maybe not.........................not enough information to convict.

anothersteve 05-11-2019 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1648909)
Maybe, maybe not.........................not enough information to convict.

I can agree with that. The lead cart could be doing 10
Steve

Jim 9922 05-11-2019 07:32 AM

To me, being passed by a faster golf cart is about as traumatic as being passed by a faster car on the interstate or SR 466. From what I read, it seems that cart accidents are usually the result of impaired drivers, careless driving (hitting curbs, trees, etc.), failure to heed stop signs, and inappropriate turn actions.

JoelJohnson 05-11-2019 08:16 AM

It could them over $800 in fines, plus it could cost upto $500 to have their carts set back to 19.5MPH, not to mention court costs. Don't think it happens? Ask around, you'd be surprised.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-11-2019 08:24 AM

Once you're passing someone on a golf cart lane that's part of a road (like Morse up north), you're in the regular vehicular traffic lane. So as long as you're not going over the posted speed limit for vehicular traffic there, AND you're not holding up vehicular traffic to do so, I guess it'd be okay to pass a few golf carts.

But if you're on a golf cart path or MMP, you're not allowed to go faster than 19.x mph (whatever that number is). My suggestion to all the slower drivers: if you are going under 17mph and see someone coming up behind you that looks like they'd really like to just not be behind you - slow down a little more, pull to the right if possible, and LET them pass you. Consider - you're clearly not in a rush anyway, so it won't kill you to just slow down another MPH.

When I was using a rental golf cart I ran into this often. My cart couldn't go more than 17. It was set that way, and was annoying because it was very obvious to me that every cart behind me, could go faster, and would if I was just out of their way. So I would always pull over a little as soon as I was in a spot where it was possible, and slow down, and signal to the people behind me to pass.

dewilson58 05-11-2019 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1648934)
Once you're passing someone on a golf cart lane that's part of a road (like Morse up north), you're in the regular vehicular traffic lane. So as long as you're not going over the posted speed limit for vehicular traffic there, AND you're not holding up vehicular traffic to do so, I guess it'd be okay to pass a few golf carts.




WRONG!!!!!




:ohdear:

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-11-2019 08:32 AM

Hm true - registered vehicles only on those roads. However there are roads where there are no designated golf cart lanes, where golf carts are allowed to be. Such as the roads within the neighborhoods themselves where cars can pass golf carts, no? 20mph or 25mph speed limit means a vehicle is allowed to go that fast. If a golf cart is only going 16mph, and another golf cart wants to go 19mph, and there is no designated golf cart path, then it stands to reason that the faster golf cart should be allowed to pass the slower one.

Having never driving through every single neighborhood in every single village of the villages, I don't know if there are different speed limits for different villages. I know I have seen a 10mph sign in one villa neighborhood.

dewilson58 05-11-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1648934)
Once you're passing someone on a golf cart lane that's part of a road (like Morse up north), you're in the regular vehicular traffic lane. So as long as you're not going over the posted speed limit for vehicular traffic there, AND you're not holding up vehicular traffic to do so, I guess it'd be okay to pass a few golf carts.





It doesn't matter where the golf cart is ruuning.......19.9 is the max speed to be legal. Doesn't matter if you are on a public road or on private property (MMS) or on the moon.......19.9 is max.

Bill32 05-11-2019 08:44 AM

Could it have been a street legal cart?

UpNorth 05-11-2019 08:55 AM

The most annoying thing for me is when my speedometer shows I'm going 20 mph, and somebody who can go 21 mph gets on my tail and slowly passes me over the next 2 minutes.

Dan9871 05-11-2019 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1648939)
? 20mph or 25mph speed limit means a vehicle is allowed to go that fast.

If your cart is even just capable of going over 19.9 on level ground it is illegal unless it is registered as a street legal cart which means it has to be registered much a car is. Even then there is max speed it is not allowed to go over and streets it cannot go on.

If your are in an accident with a cart one of the things that will be checked is the governor on engine. If it's been tampered with then bingo you are driving an unregistered auto with a big fine and other problems.

I've known a couple of people who disabled the governor on their carts but once they finally understood the liability the had they went and had the governor fixed.

dewilson58 05-11-2019 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 1648948)
The most annoying thing for me is when my speedometer shows I'm going 20 mph, and somebody who can go 21 mph gets on my tail and slowly passes me over the next 2 minutes.






Yep, seen it. And the other cart starts to fade a little and lose ground, but the other driver stays with it.

pbkmaine 05-11-2019 09:21 AM

Golf carts Passing
 
Or, if you are being tailgated, you can pull over onto the grass and let them pass. I do this because I find it less nerve-wracking than someone breathing down my neck.

Nucky 05-11-2019 10:09 AM

If your Cart has the potential of doing 40MPH but you never exceed the speed limit of 19.9 or 20 MPH and your involved in an accident who is to say you were exceeding the legal limit? Exactly who is it that has ever gotten a Speeding Ticket? Not a story of your Hairdressers Cousin. Actually who? Where is the Court Record of the ticket being issued?

If someone is tailgating just let them go by, easy peasy. I would say that one of the most important things is keeping your passenger alert to what's going on so they can properly brace themselves when turning or in an emergency stopping situation. Keeping your tire pressure to proper standards is important to. These cart are not to stable over 20MPH, about as stable as Jello!

There is no way the foolishness is ever going to stop, the key is keeping yourself safe.

At the base of the Historic Side Bridge, they just installed another Camera. It is across from the one installed last year that was closer to the pond. It is definitely a Camera. What's up With That? Guesses?

birdiebill 05-11-2019 10:31 AM

If your cart has the governor set so that it can exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart in the state of Florida. If it is set so that it can exceed 20 mph, whether you drive it faster than 20 is immaterial based on Florida law. Over 20, it is considered an LSV (low speed vehicle) and, by Florida law, is to be registered with the state, licensed, and must carry liability insurance. Since the law is not enforced locally by law enforcement, many people ignore it.

I do not care if I am passed by a faster moving golf cart; our two carts have not been adjusted to exceed 20. My wife and I are frequently passed by faster carts. But as I am passed by a cart exceeding 20 mph, a cart without a legal Florida license, I just wonder why the owner has chosen to be a law breaking citizen.

TimeForChange 05-11-2019 10:48 AM

FL law requires that a golf cart operated on a public street should not impede the flow of regular auto traffic. (In other words stay in the golf cart lane) If you pull out into the auto lane on a public street in a golf cart to pass another cart and slow the flow of traffic by autos you can be ticketed. This is not the case on the trails in TV but on the streets. If I pass another cart on a street and leave the golf cart lane it is very seldom. I never exceed 20 miles per hour on any public street. The total fine and court cost is close to $500. If a policeman or deputy is around you can be ticketed.

Nucky 05-11-2019 10:58 AM

My Cart is legal. We cranked it up, it's easy just to see what all the buzz is about, The Need For Speed! I think we got it all the way up to 35MPH and instantly decided you should have your head examined to want or need to go faster. Many people do it successfully for years with no problemo but who knows what the future holds. As long as they don't upset my trip let them pass me all day. My Rat Race is over. I'm with whatever is Legal. I leave 5 minutes early for my trip.

rhood 05-11-2019 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jazuela (Post 1648934)
once you're passing someone on a golf cart lane that's part of a road (like morse up north), you're in the regular vehicular traffic lane. So as long as you're not going over the posted speed limit for vehicular traffic there, and you're not holding up vehicular traffic to do so, i guess it'd be okay to pass a few golf carts.

But if you're on a golf cart path or mmp, you're not allowed to go faster than 19.x mph (whatever that number is). My suggestion to all the slower drivers: If you are going under 17mph and see someone coming up behind you that looks like they'd really like to just not be behind you - slow down a little more, pull to the right if possible, and let them pass you. Consider - you're clearly not in a rush anyway, so it won't kill you to just slow down another mph.

When i was using a rental golf cart i ran into this often. My cart couldn't go more than 17. It was set that way, and was annoying because it was very obvious to me that every cart behind me, could go faster, and would if i was just out of their way. So i would always pull over a little as soon as i was in a spot where it was possible, and slow down, and signal to the people behind me to pass.

wrong

rhood 05-11-2019 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1648941)
It doesn't matter where the golf cart is ruuning.......19.9 is the max speed to be legal. Doesn't matter if you are on a public road or on private property (MMS) or on the moon.......19.9 is max.

What statute says 19.9 ?

Nucky 05-11-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rhood (Post 1648980)
What statute says 19.9 ?

I think the Statue of Mr. Schwartz in Spanish Spring Town Square! :ohdear:

Good Question, Reality or Urban Legend?

EdFNJ 05-11-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1648934)
Once you're passing someone on a golf cart lane that's part of a road (like Morse up north), you're in the regular vehicular traffic lane. So as long as you're not going over the posted speed limit for vehicular traffic there, AND you're not holding up vehicular traffic to do so, I guess it'd be okay to pass a few golf carts.

But if you're on a golf cart path or MMP, you're not allowed to go faster than 19.x mph (whatever that number is). My suggestion to all the slower drivers: if you are going under 17mph and see someone coming up behind you that looks like they'd really like to just not be behind you - slow down a little more, pull to the right if possible, and LET them pass you. Consider - you're clearly not in a rush anyway, so it won't kill you to just slow down another MPH.

When I was using a rental golf cart I ran into this often. My cart couldn't go more than 17. It was set that way, and was annoying because it was very obvious to me that every cart behind me, could go faster, and would if I was just out of their way. So I would always pull over a little as soon as I was in a spot where it was possible, and slow down, and signal to the people behind me to pass.

This has been hashed over 100's of times here already but to rehash it again you are 100% totally WRONG. State law defines a golf cart as not being ABLE TO EXCEED 20MPH. Period. If it is CAPABLE of going over 20MPH it is now an LSV and requires regstration and insurance just like it was a car. I know this 'cause I have an LSV (street legal GC) and insurance and reg is identical to a car. State law defines an LSV (street legal golf cart or other similar vehicle) as not being ABLE TO EXCEED 25MPH.

If your golf cart is CAPABLE of going 22MPH and even if you are only driving it at 19.99 100% of the time you are in violation. Worse yet, if you get into an accident with your 22MPH CAPABLE golf cart and if your insurance company finds out you will likely not be covered (read your policy).

It is ILLEGAL for GC dealers to even sell a GOLF CART CAPABLE of exceeding 25mph and call it a golf cart vs. an LSV. "CAPABLE OF" are the key words here.

EdFNJ 05-11-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by birdiebill (Post 1648967)
IMy wife and I are frequently passed by faster carts. But as I am passed by a cart exceeding 20 mph, a cart without a legal Florida license, I just wonder why the owner has chosen to be a law breaking citizen.

Well, it's for the same reason 90% of the vehicles on the FL Tpke drive 85+ or 50+ on Morse or BV or don't declare all their income to the IRS. It's "because a large number of people do it" and GENERALLY no one bothers you for breaking those laws. Do you ever drive 40mph in a car on Morse or BV or 75 on the FL TPKE. GENERALLY no harm is caused and cops have better things to do. It's wrong, but lots of people do it.

EdFNJ 05-11-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1648941)
It doesn't matter where the golf cart is ruuning.......19.9 is the max speed to be legal. Doesn't matter if you are on a public road or on private property (MMS) or on the moon.......19.9 is max.

Actually the law says "it can't be capable of exceeding 20" to be a golf cart. You can actually drive 20, but who's being picky over .1 mph :D

JoMar 05-11-2019 11:23 AM

Can almost tell who's cart exceeds and who's cart doesn't just by reading the posts. Rationalizing behavior is embedded in several also.

Topspinmo 05-11-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1648880)
Do you think a golf cart passing 3 other carts is doing slightly more than 20 mph-have seen this often on St Charles & Bailey Tr.


I was going down side street in my car where the speed limit was 30 MPH. I was going 30 MPH when in the diamond lane a golfer passed me on the right going 35 plus. I do I know it was golfer? Golf clubs on back of the cart. IMO golfers are the most who violate the law where it be regular golf cart or LSV golf cart. Lots of them go well over 25 MPH. Which, don't beat the one on day when I was Going up BV by saddle brook, in left lane a jacked up Par car with large wheels going 40 MPH. how do I know this I was in the right lane going 38 and got passed. These are the DA's that need to get caught, but it's usually the ones going 22 or 23 IMO. Never the worst Violators which gives majority of us using golf carts that follow the recommended speed limits. .

Nucky 05-11-2019 11:34 AM

How about Golf Carts Passing through the Exit Du Jour from The Historical Section to The Mainland. I had the opportunity to ask one person why they actually do it? Its because the chance of getting caught is slight and to them the benefit is great. Whatareyougonnado? I'd ticket them but I'm not Barney Fife. The man said if he did get caught the ticket is cheaper than making his cart street legal. It was a Gas Yamaha, that can't happen. Oh Well!

EdFNJ 05-11-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1648988)
Can almost tell who's cart exceeds and who's cart doesn't just by reading the posts. Rationalizing behavior is embedded in several also.


That’s easy. I’d bet 90% are “capable of.” I am regularly passed by “golf carts” in the diamond lane while I am legally driving 25 on the street. They like to show they can go fast without paying the insurance and registration fees. :)


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EdFNJ 05-11-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1648989)
I was going down side street in my car where the speed limit was 30 MPH. I was going 30 MPH when in the diamond lane a golfer passed me on the right going 35 plus. I do I know it was golfer? Golf clubs on back of the cart. IMO golfers are the most who violate the law where it be regular golf cart or LSV golf cart. Lots of them go well over 25 MPH. Which, don't beat the one on day when I was Going up BV by saddle brook, in left lane a jacked up Par car with large wheels going 40 MPH. how do I know this I was in the right lane going 38 and got passed. These are the DA's that need to get caught, but it's usually the ones going 22 or 23 IMO. Never the worst Violators which gives majority of us using golf carts that follow the recommended speed limits. .

Are the ones going 22 or 23 any “less illegal” then the ones going 35? Either you’re a violator or not a violator. ;)






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OrangeBlossomBaby 05-11-2019 11:51 AM

Looks like people who read my post, didn't bother reading ALL of my post, OR the post I posted after that telling the person who said I was wrong, was right. Basic math coming up - sets and subsets.

IF (the set of people who wish to drive as fast as the max legal limit of a non-street-legal golf cart)

occurs when (the set of people who drive several MPH under the max legal limit of a non-street-legal golf cart)

THEN

(the set of people who drive several MPH under the max legal limit of a non-street-legal golf cart) might be courteous and slow down even more,
AND drive far to the right

SUCH THAT

(the set of people who wish to drive up to the max speed limit for non-street-legal golf carts) can pass them safely and legally

WHEN IT IS LEGAL TO DO SO


I think I've covered pretty much everything now.

Down Sized 05-11-2019 12:54 PM

I’m about to run out of popcorn! :popcorn:

charmed59 05-11-2019 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 1648948)
The most annoying thing for me is when my speedometer shows I'm going 20 mph, and somebody who can go 21 mph gets on my tail and slowly passes me over the next 2 minutes.

I agree, it’s annoying. However, if I slow down when they start to pass they get by much faster.

I have a cart that won’t go over 20. If I get behind someone going 18 or better I just can’t pass them.

Nucky 05-11-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Down Sized (Post 1649005)
I’m about to run out of popcorn! :popcorn:

I'll go get the Popcorn but its gonna take a while at 20 MPH! Sorry, :popcorn:

Velvet 05-11-2019 03:17 PM

I’m in the cart behind you, going slow cause I’m just learning to golf cart...


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