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Kilmacowen 08-03-2019 03:40 PM

Another mass shooting
 
Another mass shooting at a mall in El Paso. Multiple fatalities reported and injured. When is something going to be done?

Bucco 08-03-2019 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilmacowen (Post 1669786)
Another mass shooting at a mall in El Paso. Multiple fatalities reported and injured. When is something going to be done?

Anyone know of even conversation taking place about a uniquely American situation ?

Anyone know of any legislation being discussed ?

Number 10 GI 08-03-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1669792)
Anyone know of even conversation taking place about a uniquely American situation ?

Anyone know of any legislation being discussed ?

It's already illegal to murder someone and also illegal to willfully injure a person, so what additional legislation will stop this type of crime?

Bucco 08-03-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1669795)
It's already illegal to murder someone and also illegal to willfully injure a person, so what additional legislation will stop this type of crime?

Well, I see gun and ease of buying as a common denominator,

To be fair, I am not a gun owner, but buying guns sems so easy. and building an arsenal with accessories is becoming common.

It does not happen like this in other countries and thus I suggest maybe just talking about something that, once again, is unique to America. Isn't this the third one this week ?

I just find it offensive to think we simply accept this stuff where our kids and grand kids are gunned down and we stay silent.

anothersteve 08-03-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1669792)
Anyone know of even conversation taking place about a uniquely American situation ?

Anyone know of any legislation being discussed ?

How do you legislate mental illness? You know it will come out...again, the other common denominator, that the shooter, or it looks like possibly shooters, were and are wackos. I'm not going to say too much anymore on the gun "debate" , it get's nowhere here, and it's never civil.
Steve

manaboutown 08-03-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1669799)
It does not happen like this in other countries and thus I suggest maybe just talking about something that, once again, is unique to America. Isn't this the third one this week ?

Juarez murders reach nearly 200 a month as Mexico’s next president prepares to face the violence | Mexico | Dallas News

I realize it's old news, 2018.

Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States.

From America doesn’t actually lead the world in mass shootings

And as for intentional homicides it just a smidgeon worse in Canada. List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

Midnight Cowgirl 08-03-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1669799)
Well, I see gun and ease of buying as a common denominator,

To be fair, I am not a gun owner, but buying guns sems so easy. and building an arsenal with accessories is becoming common.

It does not happen like this in other countries and thus I suggest maybe just talking about something that, once again, is unique to America. Isn't this the third one this week ?

I just find it offensive to think we simply accept this stuff where our kids and grand kids are gunned down and we stay silent.


Yes, it IS too easy for just about anyone to obtain a weapon whether it be by legal or nonlegal methods.

I am not going into gun control, but it would seem that there needs to be some form of it -- a check and balance of some type if you will, or this kind of horror will continue.

And even with some form of control, it would probably be a long time before many of the illegal forms of ownership can be controlled and/or taken off the street.
While I have my own personal thoughts, it's obviously the time is past due for something to be done.

I am not going into the politics of the subject, but there is far too much talk and not enough action (as in none!)!

GrumpyOldMan 08-03-2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1669801)
How do you legislate mental illness? You know it will come out...again, the other common denominator, that the shooter, or it looks like possibly shooters, were and are wackos. I'm not going to say too much anymore on the gun "debate" , it get's nowhere here, and it's never civil.
Steve

I am a progressive and I agree with the comments that this problem will not be legislated away. This is a cultural problem. There are MANY reasons for this and there is no "silver bullet" that is going to make it go away.

I also think this comment "Mental illness" is closer to the truth that the OP actually meant. I believe it is one of many forms of mental illness to kill anyone that is not a threat to you.

I believe the answer is to first understand the problem, which will require a lot of research, and most sources of data for that research are currently unfunded by the Federal government.

Number 10 GI 08-03-2019 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1669799)
Well, I see gun and ease of buying as a common denominator,

To be fair, I am not a gun owner, but buying guns sems so easy. and building an arsenal with accessories is becoming common.

It does not happen like this in other countries and thus I suggest maybe just talking about something that, once again, is unique to America. Isn't this the third one this week ?

I just find it offensive to think we simply accept this stuff where our kids and grand kids are gunned down and we stay silent.

Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, many of whom were children, with a rental truck filled with a mixture of fertilizer and diesel. In Europe there have been numerous murders committed with motor vehicles. Mexico makes it nearly impossible for the average citizen to own a gun. Back in the late 80's or 90's I read a report that in Mexico there were more knife homicides than homicides committed in the US by all means, guns, knives, clubs, fits, etc. In Japan a group of people used sarin gas in an attack on the subway system. 12 people were killed and many injured. Restricting gun ownership won't do much to reduce homicide, a person determined to kill will find some means of doing so.
We have a violence problem in this country, not just gun violence. Look at the so-called anti fascists, they assault people with fists, clubs, and iron pipes. A group of these cowards attacked an Asian media reporter and hospitalized him. No guns used, just fists, feet and clubs. Road rage incidents where people run each other off the road. Spouse abuse, child abuse, elder abuse. Verbal abuse and bullying on the social media outlets causing young children to commit suicide. We need to determine the cause of violence and work on eliminating it. Eliminating the tool used in violence does nothing to stop the violent behavior. I'll say it again, WE HAVE A VIOLENCE PROBLEM in this country that no one is talking about.

Aces4 08-03-2019 04:53 PM

This is only going to get better when sanitariums are reopened or lobotomies performed, sadly.

Anyone believing banning guns will fix the problem must be unaware of knives, bombs, chemical poisoning, arson, poison gases, product tampering, highway death traps and on and on.

Normal people wouldn’t think of it, the mentally ill are obsessed with it. The police can somewhat limit gun violence, other methods could be catastrophic. We need to look at what is our best defense.


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