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LadyDi 02-11-2020 04:23 PM

Water seeping into carpet from concrete pad
 
Anyone else have this situation? A few weeks ago I had a wet patch in the center of my master bedroom carpeting. Not even close to the windows or walls. Last night it happened again in a different area. Not a pet stain. No odor, just clean water. I have a frame house (Camelia) with vinyl siding it is about 15 years old. I have gutters around the entire house. Today we had a professional inspection. He tested various areas of the room penetrating the carpet with a special tool. He found evidence of water beyond the normal amount to expect. Apparently concrete always has a slight moisture presence. He inspected the exterior of the house and the windows. Then he pulled back the carpeting and, it appears the water is seeping in from cracks in the concrete. I had planned on replacing the carpeting sometime with wood but now not sure that is a safe choice.

retiredguy123 02-11-2020 04:51 PM

It is not normal for the concrete to have enough moisture to make the carpet wet. I would make sure that the exterior ground is properly sloped away from the house so that rain water does not settle against the house and seep under the concrete floor slab. I would also contact my homeowners insurance company to see if the problem is covered. I definitely would not install a wood or laminate floor directly onto the concrete as long as you have the moisture problem. It may be possible to install a plastic moisture barrier to the concrete floor, and then nail down 3/4 inch furring strips to the concrete and install a real hardwood floor on top of the furring strips. But, this would be a more expensive wood floor than most floor projects in The Villages. Just my opinion. Good luck.

npwalters 02-11-2020 05:16 PM

curious what the professional inspector recommended.

rjm1cc 02-11-2020 06:18 PM

Sounds like a leaking water pipe as we have not had a lot of rain and I assume the problem just started.
Check your water meter to see if water is coming into the house when all fixtures and sprinkler system is turned off.

retiredguy123 02-11-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1717314)
Sounds like a leaking water pipe as we have not had a lot of rain and I assume the problem just started.
Check your water meter to see if water is coming into the house when all fixtures and sprinkler system is turned off.

If it is a water pipe leak, your homeowners insurance will most likely cover all demolition and construction repair cost to locate the leak and replace the concrete and carpet or other damage. I don't think they will cover the actual pipe repair.

NotGolfer 02-11-2020 06:48 PM

Not sure which area of T.V. you live in....a couple of years ago we had water between the laundry-room and kitchen are. The house is a Sun Kist. We have laminate flooring almost through-out. Anyway we called T.V. and asked if they put piping under-neath homes and the answer was they do not. Our issue was a pipe with our heating/air unit. This, we found out, has to have bleach poured in it regularly to clean it out. It was a process, but we had a restoration company come in to check things out. Had industrial fans for a handful of days, insurance people out as well and had to replace some of the flooring as well. That part was a DIY project but a "pain in the tush" just the same. Can't speak to what's causing your water issue but I'd really check with T.V. and maybe the restoration folks as well.

dhsmith 02-11-2020 07:02 PM

Water
 
All the plumbing in your house is under the concrete slab.

retiredguy123 02-11-2020 07:45 PM

If the master bedroom is located in the rear of the house like most houses, there are probably no water pipes under the floor.

BernieJr 02-11-2020 08:26 PM

Call your HVAC contractor. Condensate drain may be plugged.

retiredguy123 02-11-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BernieJr (Post 1717334)
Call your HVAC contractor. Condensate drain may be plugged.

Before calling an HVAC contractor, just pour water down the condensate line and see if it comes out the other end outside. Homeowners should know how to do this, and they should pour vinegar through the condensate line every 3 months or so to prevent it from clogging. But I doubt that the condensate line runs under the master bedroom.

Fishers2tall 02-11-2020 09:08 PM

Sounds like a pipe leak in your slab.
 
I am not a plumber but I have owned a house on a slab that had several leaks in the pipes contained in/underneath the slab and that is what your situation sounds like. You probably have a leak under the slab in another room but the water is going through the pea gravel and coming up in a slab crack in your bedroom. There will likely be a plumber in your area with the specialized equipment needed to detect slab leaks. Here in Indiana the fee for slab leak detection is around $150 then you have to hire a plumber to fix the leak. Now opinions vary but my experience has been that if you have one slab leak you will probably have more in the coming years. I hope for your sake this is not what you have because it’s a very expensive repair and if you do have a slab leak the only full proof way to avoid future slab leaks is to replumb your home with PEX tubing in the attic above your ceiling. That will cost you between $5,000 and $10,000. Of course if you have an island sink in your kitchen you won’t be able to completely bypass the water pipes in the slab.

EdFNJ 02-11-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1717340)
Before calling an HVAC contractor, just pour water down the condensate line and see if it comes out the other end outside. Homeowners should know how to do this, and they should pour vinegar through the condensate line every 3 months or so to prevent it from clogging. But I doubt that the condensate line runs under the master bedroom.

I believe ours does since the condenser and condensate drain are at the back corner of the MBr about 3 feet in. There is no window on the back wall on ours it's on the side wall or the condenser would keep us up all night.

retiredguy123 02-11-2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1717351)
I believe ours does since the condenser and condensate drain are at the back corner of the MBr about 3 feet in. There is no window on the back wall on ours it's on the side wall or the condenser would keep us up all night.

Not to belabor the point, but the condenser is the outside unit and doesn't need to be anywhere near the condensate drain line. The condensate drain is at the air handling unit (furnace), which is usually located in the garage. It drains water to the closest point outside of the house. Your house may be different.

Sunflower33 02-12-2020 06:35 AM

I had the same thing in 3 of my bedrooms with my hardwood floors Is popped some of the planks. My house was under warranty but the build stated it wasn’t doing anything as it wasn’t their problem. I had it fixed at my own expense and it happened again in other rooms The flooring guy said the concrete wasn’t sealed

jswirs 02-12-2020 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1717300)
It is not normal for the concrete to have enough moisture to make the carpet wet. I would make sure that the exterior ground is properly sloped away from the house so that rain water does not settle against the house and seep under the concrete floor slab. I would also contact my homeowners insurance company to see if the problem is covered. I definitely would not install a wood or laminate floor directly onto the concrete as long as you have the moisture problem. It may be possible to install a plastic moisture barrier to the concrete floor, and then nail down 3/4 inch furring strips to the concrete and install a real hardwood floor on top of the furring strips. But, this would be a more expensive wood floor than most floor projects in The Villages. Just my opinion. Good luck.

Good idea! Or, there is a tongue and groove "composite" type of flooring which is very resilient, less susceptible to water damage, which also is available in wood tones.

OhioBuckeye 02-12-2020 07:39 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by LadyDi (Post 1717297)
Anyone else have this situation? A few weeks ago I had a wet patch in the center of my master bedroom carpeting. Not even close to the windows or walls. Last night it happened again in a different area. Not a pet stain. No odor, just clean water. I have a frame house (Camelia) with vinyl siding it is about 15 years old. I have gutters around the entire house. Today we had a professional inspection. He tested various areas of the room penetrating the carpet with a special tool. He found evidence of water beyond the normal amount to expect. Apparently concrete always has a slight moisture presence. He inspected the exterior of the house and the windows. Then he pulled back the carpeting and, it appears the water is seeping in from cracks in the concrete. I had planned on replacing the carpeting sometime with wood but now not sure that is a safe choice.

I would be just sick if we had water leaking in, in the middle of the floor & not close to any windows or shower or sink. Personally I wouldn’t bandaid fix it by putting plastic down because the cracks in the floor will still be there & probably continue to leak. You got to find out why you have a leak coming through a crack. It would be terrible to bandaid fix it & latter find out you have a sink hole starting or water building up putting so much pressure on your foundation it’s cracking the concrete. If you don’t have wet spots leadings from any water sources, it’s probably leaking under the foundation. Boy it doesn’t sound like a cheap fix! I wouldn’t want to guess at the issue unless I had this issue myself. Just hope you don’t have a sink hole starting under your home. Good luck & hope you don’t have to spend lots of money fixing it.

stadry 02-12-2020 07:52 AM

sealing conc can be either bldr's item OR flooring guy's - sometimes neither - just depends,,, tv concrete is not waterproof - it would have to be 5,000psi mix design to qualify for that,,, conc's porous & will draw 'up' water thru capillary action
absent leaks, a slight trench drain about the slab properly drained might resolve the issue - certainly can't hurt
we svce some atl town home units w/underfloor leaks - typically copper pipes spouting pinholes - that could also be a cause
newbie coming in may so still ignorant re tv const methods/materials

Bmacs 02-12-2020 07:57 AM

Water problem
 
We have a brand new refrigerator, Samsung, that freezes up and leaked water into our master bedroom under the wall. Possibly the problem?

vlm790 02-12-2020 08:40 AM

Water
 
It happened to us and was caused by a faulty hose bib on the outside of the house.

mikeritz53 02-12-2020 08:41 AM

I manage 90+ properties in The Villages and have experienced this a t a couple houses. Get a Plumber out, you could have something called a SLAB LEAK. Our pipes are run under and thru the Slab Foundation and can get a leak. Water will come to the surface since the Concrete is porous. They will come in with Sonar Equipment to determine if there is a leak.

John_W 02-12-2020 09:06 AM

In 2012 the CYV next door to our villa was less than a year old and when the snowbirds returned for the winter there was water through the master BR and bath. They called the warranty department and they immediately came and said the pipes under the slab had a leak. Initially they wanted to come in through my yard, but eventually decided to jackhammer into the slab floor directly below the master bath.

The workers removed the bathroom vanity, toilet and carpeting, vinyl flooring and then jackhammered into the slab, dug out the dirt and found the leak and repaired the pipe. Filled the dirt back in, removed the drywall up about 3', ran high speed fans and heaters for about 3 days until all the moisture was gone. Then brought in new construction workers who replaced everything like it was a new bedroom and bath. I think the bathtub was the only thing they didn't change. No cost to the homeowners. It took about 3 weeks for the whole repair.

largokid 02-12-2020 09:43 AM

We had a problem once with our bedroom carpet being wet too (near our doorway into the bathroom). It turned out the showerhead piping was leaking inside the wall where it was all connected at the top. This caused the water to drain into the pan underneath our shower to overfill and water oozed out somehow to the carpeting near our shower. A plumber came took the shower head apart (without damaging the wall), fixed the leak and all was well. Hope this helps.

tag460 02-12-2020 10:29 AM

We had laminate reinstalled a few of years ago and the moisture barrier had a velt back at the time and in some areas it was completely soaked. The moisture content of our slab was to high at the time to install the new flooring, we waited couple of days and the moisture content did not go down. They suspected leaks in our plumbing that runs through the slab, had a pipes pressure checked no leaks were found. We ended up sealing our slap with an epoxy sealant, the cost was $300.00 a gallon but after it was applied 0% moisture reading.

wganderson13 02-12-2020 10:30 AM

Do you have a pool or a one of those strip drains? If clogged, I've seen same problem.- Walter Anderson

New Englander 02-12-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1717357)
Not to belabor the point, but the condenser is the outside unit and doesn't need to be anywhere near the condensate drain line. The condensate drain is at the air handling unit (furnace), which is usually located in the garage. It drains water to the closest point outside of the house. Your house may be different.

Exactly. :agree:

dfortier 02-12-2020 12:14 PM

We had a similar problem. Turned out to be a shower leak from the cold water valve. Water was leaking from the pipe in the wall, under the tile, then eventually to the carpeting in the master bedroom closet.

jrieker68 02-12-2020 01:28 PM

We had a problem where there was a ring under the toilet (not the wax ring) that had been cracked in the master water closet. It leaked under the tile with no evidence and, eventually, the entrance to the master bedroom and master closet were quite wet. It took a few trips by plumber and the builder to figure it out but it was fixed under warranty.

PugMom 02-12-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1717398)
I would be just sick if we had water leaking in, in the middle of the floor & not close to any windows or shower or sink. Personally I wouldn’t bandaid fix it by putting plastic down because the cracks in the floor will still be there & probably continue to leak. You got to find out why you have a leak coming through a crack. It would be terrible to bandaid fix it & latter find out you have a sink hole starting or water building up putting so much pressure on your foundation it’s cracking the concrete. If you don’t have wet spots leadings from any water sources, it’s probably leaking under the foundation. Boy it doesn’t sound like a cheap fix! I wouldn’t want to guess at the issue unless I had this issue myself. Just hope you don’t have a sink hole starting under your home. Good luck & hope you don’t have to spend lots of money fixing it.

thats exactly what i was thinking. could it really form a sinkhole?

wisbad1 02-12-2020 02:51 PM

wrong,pipes are under house.

rjm1cc 02-12-2020 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wisbad1 (Post 1717557)
wrong,pipes are under house.

Drive by some new construction just before the slab is pored. If you see pips sticking up from the ground then you know the pipes are under the slab.

waynehal55 02-12-2020 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1717340)
Before calling an HVAC contractor, just pour water down the condensate line and see if it comes out the other end outside. Homeowners should know how to do this, and they should pour vinegar through the condensate line every 3 months or so to prevent it from clogging. But I doubt that the condensate line runs under the master bedroom.

I totally agree with you. I have been doing this for 17 years.......Never had a problem.

chuckster 02-12-2020 10:38 PM

If there's an outside faucet on outside wall of the room. Water lines are either under the slab or in base of interior wall just above baseboard. Latter was the routing in my house to outside water faucet

gtwilliams69 02-13-2020 05:58 AM

Most likely a slab leak. Call American leak detection or Sleuth. They will come out and pressure test your house and locate the leak or source of the water so you plumber can jack hammer the slab and repair the pipe. Usually costs around $300 for their services.

ColdNoMore 02-13-2020 06:12 AM

Hopefully, the OP has already called a leak detection company, determined the issue and is having it currently repaired...while thread posts keep occurring.

I will be anxious to hear, when the OP gets the chance, to find out from them what it was...and how serious.

Good luck OP.
:thumbup:

ldj1938 02-13-2020 09:37 AM

We had a similar problem, quickly diagnosed by our insurance adjuster, as water from dry, cracking, poorly applied caulk on our windows. I was very confident it was coming up from below and ended up being cured by recaulking our windows!

dkaufnelson 02-13-2020 10:14 AM

I had this problem in my home when I lived in Deland Florida. Home Depot and I imagine Lowe's sell a concrete sealer that comes in a gallon size just like a gallon of paint. Just make sure to dry out the whole floor with a fan for a few days then put the concrete sealer all over the floor and do two or three coats wherever you find any cracks. When you put down new flooring make sure you put flooring that has a moisture barrier or just buy a roll of moisture barrier to go under the new flooring. Builders don't usually seal the concrete floors which they should do here in Florida as all concrete will absorb moisture and often will develop cracks. Putting a good sealing compound on cement floors is strongly advised in Florida.

New Englander 02-13-2020 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1717340)
Before calling an HVAC contractor, just pour water down the condensate line and see if it comes out the other end outside. Homeowners should know how to do this, and they should pour vinegar through the condensate line every 3 months or so to prevent it from clogging. But I doubt that the condensate line runs under the master bedroom.

How much Vinegar do you pour down the condensate line? I use about a quart and I'm wondering if that's enough.

OhioBuckeye 02-13-2020 11:54 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jrieker68 (Post 1717524)
We had a problem where there was a ring under the toilet (not the wax ring) that had been cracked in the master water closet. It leaked under the tile with no evidence and, eventually, the entrance to the master bedroom and master closet were quite wet. It took a few trips by plumber and the builder to figure it out but it was fixed under warranty.

Remember jrieker68, they said their home is 15 yrs. old. I had a 7 yr. old home & had to replace one of the builders cheap windows & it still cost me $150. I’ll bet you anything that window only cost the builder half that.

rjm1cc 02-13-2020 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1717772)
How much Vinegar do you pour down the condensate line? I use about a quart and I'm wondering if that's enough.

I use a cup once a month.
I also pour a gallon of hot water into the pipe. My idea is too try and flush anything out of the pipe with running water. The vinegar is to kill any algae or mold.

retiredguy123 02-13-2020 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1717772)
How much Vinegar do you pour down the condensate line? I use about a quart and I'm wondering if that's enough.

I think a quart of vinegar is enough. You are just trying to inhibit mold growth. Bleach will probably work better, but some experts say that the fumes can cause corrosion inside the supply fan unit. So, if you use bleach, make sure you don't spill it and that you immediately replace the plastic cap on the condensate drain pipe inside the unit.


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