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jebartle 02-24-2020 01:41 PM

Stocks tumble
 
Yipsters!

champion6 02-24-2020 02:19 PM

Stay the course!

Kahuna32162 02-24-2020 02:19 PM

Aye Aye Captain.

gatorbill1 02-24-2020 02:37 PM

might be time to buy - waiting for Dow to go below 28,000

manaboutown 02-24-2020 02:57 PM

Nowadays about 75% of the trading is automated which can cause big price swings. Many years of ultra low interest rates have driven market capitalization very high so stocks prices are currently quite vulnerable to a "Black Swan" of some sort. Is the coronavirus the '''Black Swan''' event that blows up the US market?

dewilson58 02-24-2020 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 1721054)
Stay the course!




Exactly.


If you have some cash...................BUY.

dennisgavin 02-25-2020 07:24 AM

As Arnold would say, They'll be back!

billethkid 02-25-2020 08:39 AM

Past performance speaks loud and clear:

Dow Jones - DJIA - 100 Year Historical Chart | MacroTrends

stan the man 02-25-2020 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1721074)
Exactly.


If you have some cash...................BUY.

I agree 406

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1721314)
Past performance speaks loud and clear:

Dow Jones - DJIA - 100 Year Historical Chart | MacroTrends

It sure does.

Particularly since this chart allows you to compare, using different criteria (by year, by fed chair, by recession).

Methinks though, some will be quite surprised (upset?)...by the facts. :D


asianthree 02-25-2020 10:11 AM

Buy ... when will you see Apple stock drop.

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 10:22 AM

Speaking of "history," we are now in the longest bull market (even with yesterday's precipitous drop)...EVER.

IMHO (and many other, more professional opinions) it would be silly to think, that it can continue without some type of major correction...coming soon.

I certainly hope not, but history and common sense...says it WILL happen.

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 10:43 AM

Given that almost 49% of Americans own NO stocks whatsoever, in any form (pension/company/investment/other)...it certainly doesn't matter to them.

Stock Ownership (trade here)

Quote:

Last month, we looked at how the top 1% of wage earners in the USA — they garnered wage gains of 158% since 1979.

The bottom 90%? A bit more modest gains — of 23.9%.

But that is just income. Let’s consider wealth created by the stock market.

According to Torsten Sløk of Deutsche Bank, the distribution is quite astounding: 84% of stocks in the USA are owned by the Top 10% of households.

While half of the US population own equities directly or indirectly (i.e. in pension accounts), it is only a modest share: The bottom 90% of households owns only 16% of all equities. Note the bottom 50% own practically none at all.

If you choose to focus on the stock market as a measure of how well the US economy is doing, you are missing a huge part of the picture. This is especially true for gig economy workers, younger workers, areas outside of the wealthy coasts and cities, and workers displaced by technology and globalization.

It's great that the stock market is up and at record highs; but that is only half the story. Or, to be more precise, about 10% of the recovery story
.


Bucco 02-25-2020 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1721074)
Exactly.


If you have some cash...................BUY.

I, and this is just me who is a pure amateur in this area, the affect of the budget deficit which continues to grow at record pace.

Seems we had a group of people on this forum and in congress (tea party) that absolutely warned us of the dangers of this deficit, yet today are silent.

My little knowledge says this is the most pressing problem because of the time it will take to "fix". Really not sure but that deficit is now in a territory it has never been before.

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1721384)
I, and this is just me who is a pure amateur in this area, the affect of the budget deficit which continues to grow at record pace.

Seems we had a group of people on this forum and in congress (tea party) that absolutely warned us of the dangers of this deficit, yet today are silent.

My little knowledge says this is the most pressing problem because of the time it will take to "fix". Really not sure but that deficit is now in a territory it has never been before.


The February 3 issue of Time magazine, discusses the mess that we 'boomers'...are leaving the millennial's.

And the antipathy from so many, to even acknowledge, much less than to start addressing, the issues...continues. :oops:

Anyone who calls themselves a patriot or a true American...should care about our future generations. :ohdear:


Bogie Shooter 02-25-2020 11:05 AM

But, I just read that some guy said the "stock market looks great to me". Another distortion of fact?

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1721389)
But, I just read that some guy said the "stock market looks great to me". Another distortion of fact?


I would proffer that to "distort" a fact, there needs to be at least...a grain of truth.

With a 1,000 point drop of the DJIA, that grain of truth in "great"...does not exist in any form of the definition.
:oops:

villagerjack 02-25-2020 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1721370)
Given that almost 49% of Americans own NO stocks whatsoever, in any form (pension/company/investment/other)...it certainly doesn't matter to them.

Stock Ownership (trade here)

The Stock Market is an independent verification of how companies are performing. Good performance means more jobs and opportunities for everyone. Indirectly, people who belong to Unions, have company pension plans or have a job from small businesses who benefit from a good economy. University Endowments, invested properly, have huge gains from the stock market and many are using those gains to offer free tuition in California. For example, USC offering free tuition to students in families with less than $80,000 in family income. Without the recent gains in the Stock Market this would not be possible. There are many other examples of how the gains in the Stock Market benefit non owners of stock if you choose to look for it. Google will help but if your motives are not pure one might not want to find these facts.

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 1721399)
The Stock Market is an independent verification of how companies are performing. Good performance means more jobs and opportunities for everyone. Indirectly, people who belong to Unions, have company pension plans or have a job from small businesses who benefit from a good economy. University Endowments, invested properly, have huge gains from the stock market and many are using those gains to offer free tuition in California. For example, USC offering free tuition to students in families with less than $80,000 in family income. Without the recent gains in the Stock Market this would not be possible. There are many other examples of how the gains in the Stock Market benefit non owners of stock if you choose to look for it. Google will help but if your motives are not pure one might not want to find these facts.

You didn't even bother to read my link...now did you? :oops:

And I'm one of the fortunate ones, who has benefited greatly...from the long-term rise in stock prices.

I'm also (barely :D) smart enough, to research the BIG picture and not rely on little snippets of confirmation bias...to guide my overall viewpoints. :ho:


Bucco 02-25-2020 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 1721399)
The Stock Market is an independent verification of how companies are performing. Good performance means more jobs and opportunities for everyone. Indirectly, people who belong to Unions, have company pension plans or have a job from small businesses who benefit from a good economy. University Endowments, invested properly, have huge gains from the stock market and many are using those gains to offer free tuition in California. For example, USC offering free tuition to students in families with less than $80,000 in family income. Without the recent gains in the Stock Market this would not be possible. There are many other examples of how the gains in the Stock Market benefit non owners of stock if you choose to look for it. Google will help but if your motives are not pure one might not want to find these facts.


A poster posted this earlier.....

"I can predict who enjoys the news most when the stock market drops.

Hmmmmm."


As i said, and nobody objected.......everyone likes when the market is up thus I really dont know why the discussion.

It took a dive...that is worth discussion but seems the subject is going to be changed by those who feel they have that right and nobody else.

Used to be, as I have often said.,..you could come to this forum and interact and learn from others. This area is always something I like to learn about but now days, it seems impossible because of other interests affecting posters and they need control

l2ridehd 02-25-2020 11:52 AM

You need to keep this in perspective. A 1000 point drop when the DOW is at 28,000 is about 3%. Go back and look at how many 3% drops have happened in the past. It's just when the DOW was 5000 and dropped 150 points or 3% it didn't seem so bad. And as an investor you should care more about the S&P or the total stock market than the DOW. One big stock with a significant drop can swing the DOW way out of proportion. Total market drop was 3.29% and that is pretty high for one day. But what you really need to do is just one simple thing. Do nothing.

dewilson58 02-25-2020 12:06 PM

No quick bounce today.


Hate to be a downer, but this dip might take months to recover.


Hope I'm wrong.

graciegirl 02-25-2020 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1721431)
No quick bounce today.


Hate to be a downer, but this dip might take months to recover.


Hope I'm wrong.

I trust your assessment. I am sorry to read this.

Do you think it has something to do with the financial impact of trade relating to the Corona Virus?

rustyp 02-25-2020 12:14 PM

The historic P/E ratio of the S&P 500 is 15.54. As of a few minutes ago it is 21.28. It's a long way to the bottom baby.

dewilson58 02-25-2020 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1721438)
I trust your assessment. I am sorry to read this.




Hopefully it returns in the next two weeks and someone pulls out my prior post and laughs at me. Hopefully.


:)

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 12:22 PM

Don't blink, but things aren't looking much better...right now. :(

dewilson58 02-25-2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1721438)

Do you think it has something to do with the financial impact of trade relating to the Corona Virus?




Absolutely. Very emotional response lead by computer triggers.



I don't think "we" have good numbers to determine the extent.


Going to take some time to get effective drugs out.


The good thing is it's less than a 5% hit right now.


Remember..........with yesterday's sell-off, somebody was buying.

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 02:50 PM

As of right now, between yesterday and today...the DOW loss is about 6.5%. :(

manaboutown 02-25-2020 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1721439)
The historic P/E ratio of the S&P 500 is 15.54. As of a few minutes ago it is 21.28. It's a long way to the bottom baby.

And that is just the average P/E. I remember that at times The DOW P/E has been down to the high 7's, low 8's.

Lizziemay 02-25-2020 06:48 PM

Just another day in the neighbourhood. buy buy if you have some cash

Two Bills 02-25-2020 07:34 PM

If you gambe at anything, losses are inevitable.

TheWarriors 02-25-2020 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1721388)

The February 3 issue of Time magazine, discusses the mess that we 'boomers'...are leaving the millennial's.

And the antipathy from so many, to even acknowledge, much less than to start addressing, the issues...continues. :oops:

Anyone who calls themselves a patriot or a true American...should care about our future generations. :ohdear:



Do people still read Time magazine?

MorTech 02-25-2020 08:05 PM

Hope our owners catch this falling knife...How's that debt market looking :)

Heck, people here still have newspapers delivered. Magazines are for guns :)

ColdNoMore 02-25-2020 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarriors (Post 1721568)
Do people still read Time magazine?

Just those ever shrinking number of folks, who thirst for knowledge, facts and viewpoints...from a plethora of different sources. ;)

Yeah, yeah, I know..."how antiquated." :D




.

tophcfa 02-25-2020 09:58 PM

It’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts. An economy supported by artificially low interest rates, along with the huge budget defect, and our country’s unsustainable debt levels, will eventually catch up in a very painful way. I hope I am wrong, but just in case I am correct, the gold we own will become very valuable.

Aloha1 02-26-2020 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1721572)
Just those ever shrinking number of folks, who thirst for knowledge, facts and viewpoints...from a plethora of different sources. ;)

Yeah, yeah, I know..."how antiquated." :D




.

Time Magazine fails on two of your three reasons.

Two Bills 02-26-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1721580)
It’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts. An economy supported by artificially low interest rates, along with the huge budget defect, and our country’s unsustainable debt levels, will eventually catch up in a very painful way. I hope I am wrong, but just in case I am correct, the gold we own will become very valuable.

Absolutely agree.
No.1 rule of basic economics. 'You cannot borrow your way out of debt!'

dewilson58 02-26-2020 09:35 AM

Turn that Frown upside Down.




Maybe.




:pray:

karostay 02-26-2020 10:01 AM

Who's buying what ?

Two Bills 02-26-2020 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1721692)
Who's buying what ?

I thought I might buy Continental Country Club today if it's still on the market!:icon_wink:


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