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Todayscoolfacts 03-16-2020 03:15 PM

First confirmed COVID-19 case in Lake County
 
Just saw on the news that a woman in the Lady Lake area was tested positive for coronavirus. The Florida Department of Health say her case is travel related. Stay healthy everyone!

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-16-2020 03:44 PM

131 confirmed cases now, including 1 in Lake County. Quite a significant difference from 14 cases, just 5 days ago.

Graspher 03-16-2020 04:15 PM

It’s upon us...

B767drvr 03-16-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1728507)
131 confirmed cases now, including 1 in Lake County. Quite a significant difference from 14 cases, just 5 days ago.

... up to 155 now. IMHO, every hour the administration delays a nationwide quarantine is another hour the virus spreads.

If everyone quarantined immediately, this would effectively end in a matter of weeks with the virus dying out. These half measures of restaurant partial closures, etc... simply extend the misery and ultimately increase the overall spread and number of deaths.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.

golfing eagles 03-16-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728550)
... up to 155 now. IMHO, every hour the administration delays a nationwide quarantine is another hour the virus spreads.

If everyone quarantined immediately, this would effectively end in a matter of weeks with the virus dying out. These half measures of restaurant partial closures, etc... simply extend the misery and ultimately increase the overall spread and number of deaths.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.

Hmmmm……..Quarantine 330,000,000 individuals because of 3,487 cases and 63 deaths nationwide?? I suppose that is one point of view, but in that case why don't we quarantine 330,000,000 every year from Dec-April for the 40,000,000 cases and 36.000 deaths from influenza
Now, if we over-react and drive the nation or the world into a global depression, how many MILLIONS of lives will that take?

Please don't apply for the jobs of national health advisor, surgeon general, or director of the CDC

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-16-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728550)
... up to 155 now. IMHO, every hour the administration delays a nationwide quarantine is another hour the virus spreads.

If everyone quarantined immediately, this would effectively end in a matter of weeks with the virus dying out. These half measures of restaurant partial closures, etc... simply extend the misery and ultimately increase the overall spread and number of deaths.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.

You're comparing a country with 60.5 million people occupying 116.5 thousand square miles, with a country with 327 million who occupy 3.8 million square miles.

In addition, Italy's square mileage is comparable to the size of Arizona. But its population is comparable to that of California and Florida *combined*. There are more people per square mile in Italy than there are in the USA.

The two countries can't possibly treat their situation identically. It just isn't possible to do.

manaboutown 03-16-2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728550)
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Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.

The Italian model started with Chinese investors buying up much of the leather and textile businesses located in Northern Italy. Then the Italians allowed about 100,000 Chinese from the Wuhan area to work in Northern Italy at these facilities. The Italians even established nonstop flights between Milan and Wuhan. When this virus started infecting people in the area some nut job Italian politician encouraged Italian folks to "hug a Chinese". It all went downhill from there.

ColdNoMore 03-16-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1728578)
The Italian model started with Chinese investors buying up much of the leather and textile businesses located in Northern Italy. Then the Italians allowed about 100,000 Chinese from the Wuhan area to work in Northern Italy at these facilities. The Italians even established nonstop flights between Milan and Wuhan. When this virus started infecting people in the area some nut job Italian politician encouraged Italian folks to "hug a Chinese". It all went downhill from there.

A legitimate link/proof on this?

Please don't say...you used this. :ohdear:

Twitter

P.S. Read the comments about it being fake news. :oops:

GoodLife 03-16-2020 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1728588)
A legitimate link/proof on this?

Please don't say...you used this. :ohdear:

Twitter

P.S. Read the comments about it being fake news. :oops:

The Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Tuscany | The New Yorker

ColdNoMore 03-16-2020 06:59 PM

As for the first case nearby, it would take a small miracle for us here in TV...NOT to exceed the national average infection & fatality rate.

Sadly, we have most of the ingredients...for it to get bad here.

1. A lot of unhealthy elderly folks.

2. Lots of folks who take cruises and travel in their retirement years.

3. Lots of folks who are socially active with others...that meet the above criteria.


Certainly not saying the sky is falling or anything is guaranteed/imminent here by any means, but here's hoping we get plenty of effective tests in our community and take the suggested & necessary precautions...STAT!
:(

ColdNoMore 03-16-2020 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1728603)

I guess I missed it, where legitimate news sources said Tuscany....was one of the first or worst areas.

GoodLife 03-16-2020 07:04 PM

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B767drvr 03-16-2020 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1728565)

Please don't apply for the jobs of national health advisor, surgeon general, or director of the CDC

Americans "should be prepared that they're going to have to hunker down significantly more than we as a country are doing" to fight the growing COVID-19 outbreak, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sunday on NBC News' "Meet the Press."

Asked whether the U.S. should consider a 14-day national shutdown similar to those in Europe, he said: "I would prefer as much as we possibly could. I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting."


Hey Doc. Good to hear from you. Ever notice when you disagree with someone's opinion you always tag on a snide little putdown? Just curious why you do that? I have my thoughts...

ColdNoMore 03-16-2020 07:18 PM

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So 100 out of over 7,300...was in the Tuscany area? :oops:

Ritabob 03-16-2020 07:26 PM

I can't believe the hysteria this virus is causing. The end of the world must be coming.

KeithDB 03-16-2020 07:34 PM

I spoke today to a healthcare professional who advised me they have four "presumptive cases" at the hospital this person works at alone. The cases have not been confirmed due to continued obstacles to testing.

asianthree 03-16-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KeithDB (Post 1728614)
I spoke today to a healthcare professional who advised me they have four "presumptive cases" at the hospital this person works at alone. The cases have not been confirmed due to continued obstacles to testing.

The person should be fired immediately. HIPPA rights have been violated.

Big O 03-16-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1728565)
Hmmmm……..Quarantine 330,000,000 individuals because of 3,487 cases and 63 deaths nationwide?? I suppose that is one point of view, but in that case why don't we quarantine 330,000,000 every year from Dec-April for the 40,000,000 cases and 36.000 deaths from influenza
Now, if we over-react and drive the nation or the world into a global depression, how many MILLIONS of lives will that take?

A cry in the wilderness from a man of science.

gadaboutgal 03-16-2020 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1728621)
The person should be fired immediately. HIPPA rights have been violated.

Hippa rights only pertain to a specific named person's medical condition or records. Not done in this case.
Also, I know someone who works at The Villages Hospital who told of at least 2 cases seen at the hospital today.

Velvet 03-16-2020 10:24 PM

Might happen here with confirmed cases?

Associated Press:
SAN FRANCISCO >> Officials in seven San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a sweeping shelter-in-place mandate today affecting about 7 million people, ordering residents to stay at home and go outside only for food, medicine and outings that are absolutely essential.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

(From Honolulu Star Advertiser)

manaboutown 03-16-2020 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1728643)
Might happen here with confirmed cases?

Associated Press:
SAN FRANCISCO >> Officials in seven San Francisco Bay Area counties issued a sweeping shelter-in-place mandate today affecting about 7 million people, ordering residents to stay at home and go outside only for food, medicine and outings that are absolutely essential.

The order says residents must stay inside and venture out only for necessities for three weeks starting Tuesday in a desperate attempt by officials to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

(From Honolulu Star Advertiser)

Just wait until the virus gets into the homeless population in SF.

golfing eagles 03-17-2020 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728609)
Americans "should be prepared that they're going to have to hunker down significantly more than we as a country are doing" to fight the growing COVID-19 outbreak, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sunday on NBC News' "Meet the Press."

Asked whether the U.S. should consider a 14-day national shutdown similar to those in Europe, he said: "I would prefer as much as we possibly could. I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting."


Hey Doc. Good to hear from you. Ever notice when you disagree with someone's opinion you always tag on a snide little putdown? Just curious why you do that? I have my thoughts...

Maybe because this is just cold factual science and medicine; there is no room for "opinion", especially misinformative posts that promote panic

Texased 03-17-2020 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1728578)
The Italian model started with Chinese investors buying up much of the leather and textile businesses located in Northern Italy. Then the Italians allowed about 100,000 Chinese from the Wuhan area to work in Northern Italy at these facilities. The Italians even established nonstop flights between Milan and Wuhan. When this virus started infecting people in the area some nut job Italian politician encouraged Italian folks to "hug a Chinese". It all went downhill from there.

Very interesting, I had no idea but now it makes sense. Thanks

Byte1 03-17-2020 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728550)
... up to 155 now. IMHO, every hour the administration delays a nationwide quarantine is another hour the virus spreads.

If everyone quarantined immediately, this would effectively end in a matter of weeks with the virus dying out. These half measures of restaurant partial closures, etc... simply extend the misery and ultimately increase the overall spread and number of deaths.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.

So, you want Martial Law? Why do you need the gov to impose a quarantine on you? Can't you do it yourself?

Byte1 03-17-2020 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728609)
Americans "should be prepared that they're going to have to hunker down significantly more than we as a country are doing" to fight the growing COVID-19 outbreak, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sunday on NBC News' "Meet the Press."

Asked whether the U.S. should consider a 14-day national shutdown similar to those in Europe, he said: "I would prefer as much as we possibly could. I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting."


Hey Doc. Good to hear from you. Ever notice when you disagree with someone's opinion you always tag on a snide little putdown? Just curious why you do that? I have my thoughts...

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. :1rotfl:

ColdNoMore 03-17-2020 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1728676)
So, you want Martial Law? Why do you need the gov to impose a quarantine on you? Can't you do it yourself?

I'm betting a cyber-donut, that there's at least one person with authority...thinking hard about implementing Martial Law.

Betting a dozen donuts, that the term emerges...within a week.
:ohdear:

Byte1 03-17-2020 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1728646)
Just wait until the virus gets into the homeless population in SF.

Will they be ordered to stay home in their card board homes?

ladyarwen3 03-17-2020 05:35 AM

First of all it is HIPAA not HIPPA. AND HIPAA laws about protecting individuals health information are trumped when there is a possible danger to others in the community. Hospitals have an obligation to report communicable diseases to proper authorities.
For god's sake people, would it kill you to practice social distancing? As far as a nationwide quarantine.... we haven't faced the worst yet. Quarantining too early will promote "fatigue". People will get tired of being isolated and begin to break the quarantine before it is safe.

Two Bills 03-17-2020 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1728682)
Will they be ordered to stay home in their card board homes?

There is a whole town of homeless in Ocala Forest.
They have built a community for themselves, and will probably look after each other better than a lot of TV population.

ThirdDon 03-17-2020 05:37 AM

I believe that quote is from George Carlin!

SacDQ 03-17-2020 05:44 AM

I suggest you search the web for the 1918 Spanish influence to see what a real pandemic looks like! We’re no where near that (YET)

Patrick Elsmore 03-17-2020 06:22 AM

It was 45 cases last Friday the 13th.

NormaKW 03-17-2020 06:33 AM

Wondering how many people in that urgent care carried the virus out to the community, and dt lack of test kits in most likelihood, she was sent to infect all at the Villages Regional ER. We need drive thru tests and for the everyone to stay home!:pray:

Lindsyburnsy 03-17-2020 06:55 AM

Oh boy. Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

lakecottage2000@yahoo.com 03-17-2020 07:30 AM

You clearly do not understand the severity of this virus. Please do not compare to the flu. It is a virus that NO ONE has immunity against.

B767drvr 03-17-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1728659)
Maybe because this is just cold factual science and medicine; there is no room for "opinion", especially misinformative posts that promote panic

I'll try to elucidate you golfing eagles.

1. Dr. Fauci says the president has been enacting much of what he recommends.

2. Dr. Fauci recommends a nationwide quarantine (much like Italy).

3. The president said multiple times in yesterday's news conference that he is indeed considering it, but not immediately.

4. Your OPINION was that a nationwide quarantine (as Dr. Fauci is urging) would result in a "global depression and millions of deaths".

5. YOU accuse ME of making "misinformative posts that promote panic".

6. :ohdear:

kendi 03-17-2020 08:10 AM

The numbers are skewed because there are so many who are not tested so we really don’t know how many. I wonder too if the health care professionals change their criteria for Testing as more information comes out from the CDC which could cause the increase in numbers to look steeper than they are. Just some thoughts. No matter though, we still need to follow the CDCs recommendations in order to slow the spread.

B767drvr 03-17-2020 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1728676)
So, you want Martial Law? Why do you need the gov to impose a quarantine on you? Can't you do it yourself?

Hi Byte1.

I never mentioned martial law. Our civilian government is intact and there's no need or basis for it.

I think it's terribly naive to think 330 MILLION citizens would all agree to voluntarily self-quarantine. Since rapid eradication of the Covid-19 requires isolation to prevent spread, many in the infectious disease and scientific community recommend it.

dunmyer 03-17-2020 08:18 AM

REally? I don’t need to be told. I know what to do? Do people in Holyoke Nebraska need to be quarantined? NO. Life in Holyoke Nebraska is already quarantined. Each state has a governor. And each governor should decide what is best for his state. Hello. Blame your governors..




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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1728550)
... up to 155 now. IMHO, every hour the administration delays a nationwide quarantine is another hour the virus spreads.

If everyone quarantined immediately, this would effectively end in a matter of weeks with the virus dying out. These half measures of restaurant partial closures, etc... simply extend the misery and ultimately increase the overall spread and number of deaths.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, it appears we're choosing to follow the Italian model of spread and death. Eventually, when the numbers are high enough, the administration will make the hard choice to order a nationwide mandatory quarantine.


collie1228 03-17-2020 08:26 AM

Good management means staying ahead of critical situations, and never getting in the position of having to react to one. IMO this virus will, in the end, require a nationwide short term quarantine or forced stoppage of all unnecessary movement. Why wait? Shut it down now and get ahead of the curve. Unfortunately we are in an election year, and does anyone think that your normal politician cares more for us than his reelection?


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