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amexsbow 07-23-2020 08:06 PM

How to end racism
 
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

retiredguy123 07-23-2020 08:15 PM

Before you can do any of those things, you need to get Congress to abolish the Federal affirmative action law. That law mandates employers to be biased when hiring employees, or face lawsuits and penalties by the Federal Government.

Stu from NYC 07-23-2020 08:58 PM

I would never make an offer to a possible employee without meeting them face to face.

Want to know there is chemistry between us and get a feel for the person.

davem4616 07-23-2020 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.


Obviously the OP never owned a business or hired many people....you gain so much more information about a candidate when you meet them face to face.

like did they merely test well, or can they actually apply what they learned...how good of a fit are they going to be with the culture of your organization...how good of a match are they for your management style...do they 'get' what the purpose of the role is that you are trying to fill...as well as getting the details behind the accomplishments listed on the resume that only come from a F2F conversation

IMHO what the OP is suggesting is totally unrealistic...:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

billethkid 07-24-2020 05:56 AM

Totally out of touch with reality.
But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.

Assuming the outcome looking for is more balance between races or fewer whites...

What is it that makes one think the outcome anticipated will be achieved by this suggestion?
Nothing!!!!

Remember the basic population distribution......
White...74%
Latino/Hispanic...18%
Black...14%

Departing from the basic population and consider what the distribution is in different levels of education or training.....wanna bet what the numbers look like.

Way too much effort being spent on the forced results for one race. That would be discrimination/racism......and oh by the way does not accomplish the anticipated out come!!

(With considerable effort, again, to remain polite about it!!!!!)

graciegirl 07-24-2020 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1807808)
For all job applications remove all identifiers. Age, sex/ethnicity/address will NOT be included when applying. College degree will be listed where applicable, without the name of the institution. Date of degree will not be listed. Dates of work history will not be included. Individual identifiers attached to applicants identity will be issued by a third party.

After a pool of candidates are selected from the applications, blind interviews will be conducted. Only after a job offer is made will the employer and employee meet.

Where physical or skill sets are a criteria, a third party will test the applicants.

This will eliminate any hiring bias. Only the best qualified applicants will be hired based on qualifications not personality or appearances.

I see that you think like I do. I don't think race should hinder or enhance a person getting a job. Of course how to make that work is unrealistic. But I "get" you.

dewilson58 07-24-2020 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1807875)
But for 60 seconds let's play the OP game.


Let's not.

Bay Kid 07-24-2020 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1807811)
Before you can do any of those things, you need to get Congress to abolish the Federal affirmative action law. That law mandates employers to be biased when hiring employees, or face lawsuits and penalties by the Federal Government.

Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.

stan the man 07-24-2020 07:49 AM

Brown America

Stu from NYC 07-24-2020 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1807934)
Being told you have to hire X amount of black employees. Isn't that racist? Not X amount of mexicans, jews, or heaven forbid, whites. It is time for change.

I think so but was trying to be polite.

Give everyone a level playing field so everyone has to work to be successful.

mtdjed 07-24-2020 08:03 AM

While I get the point of your post, there still is the interview. Now, the hidden traits become known even if blind.

Interviewer "Good Morning" Applicant "No Habla Ingles"

Interviewer "What is Your name?" Applicant "Igor"
2nd Applicant "Mary Ann"
3rd Applicant "Bubba"

Interviewer "How are you? Applicant "Cool, Dude."

Interviewer "Why were you Late?" Applicant "had to pahk my Cahr"

jebartle 07-24-2020 08:07 AM

The Golden Rule should be encouraged at home, school and work place.

billethkid 07-24-2020 08:20 AM

The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!

Stu from NYC 07-24-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1807983)
The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!

So very true

retiredguy123 07-24-2020 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1807983)
The best qualified person for the job has become a not so important characteristic anymore.

Lowering the standards and everybody gets a trophy does nothing to make the participants more prepared.
Just makes the numbers work for politicians and special interest groups.

What happened to get them educated/trained for the opportunities and let them earn it......like most of us did!

That is definitely true for Government jobs where there is no need to make a profit or to break even. It has been that way for many years. But, if you own a private business, you really need to hire competent employees or you will soon be out of business.


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