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coffeebean 01-30-2021 10:46 AM

J&J Vaccine Lower Efficacy
 
I would not want the J&J vaccine because of the lower efficacy. One shot vs two of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, I would much prefer the latter two. How do you feel about the lower efficacy of the J&J vaccine? Will you take it?

Fauci says Johnson & Johnson vaccine helpful in COVID-19 fight despite lower efficacy | TheHill

Altavia 01-30-2021 10:57 AM

Only one shot and simple refrigerated storage expands access more quickly.

Less effective at completely preventing COVID but very effective at reducing severity of disease and deaths.

So yes, especially if in a group that may not have access to the RNA vaccines for months. A strategy could be to be to offer to those younger groups.

Next question is getting both vaccines he types has any advantage.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-30-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1894983)
Only one shot and simple refrigerated storage expands access more quickly.

Less effective at completely preventing COVID but very effective at reducing severity of disease and deaths.

So yes, especially if in a group that may not have access to the RNA vaccines for months. A strategy could be to be to offer to those younger groups.

Next question is getting both vaccines he types has any advantage.

That is exactly why I would be happy to get the J&J vaccine.

I'm already at a lower risk, because of my age and overall fitness and immunity level. I also MIGHT have already been exposed to it, and have achieved some kind of natural immunity to it, by now. I don't know that, and haven't gotten the test to find that out, and knowing that won't make me change my behavior so I won't bother with it. Having worked in the public from February 2020 til December 2020, I really have to just assume I was exposed to it.

That 66% protection seems like a pretty good deal to someone like me, who isn't likely to get sick, but wants to reduce the severity in the off-chance I manage to catch the virus anyway.

Carla B 01-30-2021 11:33 AM

No vaccine has 100% efficacy per this story: Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose

But, in answer to Coffeebean's question, yes I would get the J&J version if that's all that would be available. And the congressman in the link above may remain free of symptoms but could pass on the virus.

deano_hoosier 01-30-2021 11:39 AM

Interesting point earlier on the news..the first two vaccines were tested when we had fewer variants floating through the population. Now with the greater number of variants the speculation is that the efficacy of the first two vaccines may not have tested out as high. Seems plausible.

thelegges 01-30-2021 12:52 PM

First dose of Pfizer on Thursday. According to most on this site, I am high risk, if I tested positive. I also realize that I probably have 10 to 15 years on this earth, but that could change in a heartbeat or no heartbeat, tomorrow.

I would have taken J&J vaccine. At least J&J states what could be the % for the evolving strains.

I also have no illusions that any vaccine will keep me from contracting Covid, or a variant. Then again my everyday life has not changed since last March. I still shopped, at small businesses to help them keep afloat, went to restaurants when they were open, ordered takeout when restaurants were shuttered, in hopes to keep some working. I played golf every chance I got.
Saw my family when possible, even though they are exposed everyday in healthcare.

Do I feel any safer by getting the first dose, not really. Two of our kids feel the same way, Doctors at their facility were required to be vaccinated, yet their life will remain the same, especially since there is no guarantee on how long the vaccine will last, or how effective it is on those that don’t have to guess they are exposed everyday.

Only time will tell.

JoMar 01-30-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1895037)
First dose of Pfizer on Thursday. According to most on this site, I am high risk, if I tested positive. I also realize that I probably have 10 to 15 years on this earth, but that could change in a heartbeat or no heartbeat, tomorrow.

I would have taken J&J vaccine. At least J&J states what could be the % for the evolving strains.

I also have no illusions that any vaccine will keep me from contracting Covid, or a variant. Then again my everyday life has not changed since last March. I still shopped, at small businesses to help them keep afloat, went to restaurants when they were open, ordered takeout when restaurants were shuttered, in hopes to keep some working. I played golf every chance I got.
Saw my family when possible, even though they are exposed everyday in healthcare.

Do I feel any safer by getting the first dose, not really. Two of our kids feel the same way, Doctors at their facility were required to be vaccinated, yet their life will remain the same, especially since there is no guarantee on how long the vaccine will last, or how effective it is on those that don’t have to guess they are exposed everyday.

Only time will tell.

Thanks for caring about your friends and neighbors.....and thank your kids for caring about their also :coolsmiley:

LuvtheVillages 01-30-2021 04:57 PM

Remember, the whole world has to be vaccinated. This J&J vaccine will be well suited for the parts of the globe where getting a second shot may not be possible, and where extreme refrigeration is not available. I'm glad it will soon be available.

Stu from NYC 01-30-2021 06:15 PM

As long as the two being used right now are available would prefer those.

However the J and J is probably well suited to third world countries that are not equipped to handle vaccines that must be kept very cold.

I would also hope that the J and J vaccine can be improved over time.

I wonder what would happen if the doses were mixed?

Topspinmo 01-30-2021 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1894970)
I would not want the J&J vaccine because of the lower efficacy. One shot vs two of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, I would much prefer the latter two. How do you feel about the lower efficacy of the J&J vaccine? Will you take it?

Fauci says Johnson & Johnson vaccine helpful in COVID-19 fight despite lower efficacy | TheHill


I’ll gladly take, better than nothing which what we’re getting now. Hundreds thousands in line for few hundred spots.

Topspinmo 01-30-2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1895125)
As long as the two being used right now are available would prefer those.

However the J and J is probably well suited to third world countries that are not equipped to handle vaccines that must be kept very cold.

I would also hope that the J and J vaccine can be improved over time.

I wonder what would happen if the doses were mixed?

Were not equipped to handle the 400 degree below zero vaccine.

coffeebean 01-30-2021 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 1895006)
No vaccine has 100% efficacy per this story: Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose

But, in answer to Coffeebean's question, yes I would get the J&J version if that's all that would be available. And the congressman in the link above may remain free of symptoms but could pass on the virus.

We have to keep in mind that we do not achieve the promised immunity after both shots of either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine for a period of time. Immunity reaches a peak level two weeks after the second dose. The congressman who contracted Covid after the second shot may have contracted the virus during the time frame that he was not completely immune. Then there is the fact that neither vaccine is 100% effective in preventing infection. The 100% efficacy is for not having severe symptoms from the infection and not needing hospitalization.

Stu from NYC 01-30-2021 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1895131)
Were not equipped to handle the 400 degree below zero vaccine.

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coffeebean 01-30-2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deano_hoosier (Post 1895007)
Interesting point earlier on the news..the first two vaccines were tested when we had fewer variants floating through the population. Now with the greater number of variants the speculation is that the efficacy of the first two vaccines may not have tested out as high. Seems plausible.

This article gives me hope that our current vaccines will be effective against the variants....

Drugmakers expect tests to confirm vaccines effective against new coronavirus variant | Reuters

thelegges 01-30-2021 08:23 PM

The vaccine doses are already being mixed. Meaning a person may have Pfizer for first dose, then Moderna for second dose. Why is this happening? So far two prominent reasons. One the patient lost their card, and doesn’t remember which vaccine they received, or went to a different site for second dose, due to availability.
Other issue the freezer stopped working, (Pfizer) and the facility gave all vaccine before it expired, next vaccine shipment, was Moderna
Since there were no studies for a mix, and probably won’t be. The CDC did make a quick statement that a mix should not be a problem, if mixing vaccine doses did happen.


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