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Michael G. 12-12-2023 06:28 PM

Will This Apply to Lithium Battery Golf Carts?
 
Below is a statement about EV cars/trucks only.

The statement that "tires are the new oil change" resonates with the industry, particularly due to the weight of EVs' batteries. EVs often weigh significantly more than their internal-combustion-engine counterparts, making regular tire rotations crucial.

Does it factor in lithium golf cars also?
Are the lithium battery carts tires different?

MrChip72 12-12-2023 06:40 PM

We've driven a 4 seater lithium cart from the brand Evolution. The cart was around 120lbs more than a 4 seater Yamaha gas cart. I don't think that amount of weight is going to make a difference at all.

It seems that the engines in the gas carts make up a lot of the weight.

Altavia 12-12-2023 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2281973)
Below is a statement about EV cars/trucks only.

The statement that "tires are the new oil change" resonates with the industry, particularly due to the weight of EVs' batteries. EVs often weigh significantly more than their internal-combustion-engine counterparts, making regular tire rotations crucial.

Does it factor in lithium golf cars also?
Are the lithium battery carts tires different?

They weigh less than lead acid battery carts.

dhdallas 12-12-2023 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2281973)
Below is a statement about EV cars/trucks only.

The statement that "tires are the new oil change" resonates with the industry, particularly due to the weight of EVs' batteries. EVs often weigh significantly more than their internal-combustion-engine counterparts, making regular tire rotations crucial.

Does it factor in lithium golf cars also?
Are the lithium battery carts tires different?

I have four 12v 100ah LiFePO4 lithium batteries in my cart and it is so light I can almost lift the front end by myself. I don't see how a Lithium Ion powered cart could ever weigh as much as a gas cart. Golf carts do not require the massive battery array that cars do necessary to propel a full size vehicle at high speeds and still have decent range. My total battery weight is just over 100 pounds. As for your cart tire question, my cart is running the small Kenda Hole-N-1 tires on little 8 inch rims and they are fine.

Topspinmo 12-12-2023 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2281976)
We've driven a 4 seater lithium cart from the brand Evolution. The cart was around 120lbs more than a 4 seater Yamaha gas cart. I don't think that amount of weight is going to make a difference at all.

It seems that the engines in the gas carts make up a lot of the weight.


G29 Yamaha gas engine weights around 80 pounds, add another 20 for generator, the trans axle problem weighs 130 or so. Problem weight slightly more than electric counterpart with lead acid batteries and of course hundred pounds or more less than same electric cart with lithium batteries.

Bill14564 12-13-2023 07:44 AM

From a 2023 Yamaha brochure:

EFI weight with fuel: 785lb
Lead acid weight with battery: 1063lb
LI weight with battery: 811lb

PoolBrews 12-13-2023 08:32 AM

The Evolution D5 Ranger is a 4 seat forward facing cart - slightly longer than a standard Drive 2, but 14" shorter than the Yamaha 4 seat forward facing model. It has a lithium battery. The standard Drive 2 (without all the upgrades that we put on it) is 758lbs when the tank is filled with gas. Probably a little over 800lbs when all the upgrades are added.

The EV D5 weighs 1,058 lbs with the 110ah battery, and 1,129 lbs with the 205ah battery. So it's between 258 and 329 lbs heavier than a standard Yamaha. I don't think the additional 300 lbs will significantly affect tire life, especially at the speeds golf carts are driven at.

I'm taking delivery of the 205ah version any day now - it should get somewhere between 70-100 miles per charge.

Bill14564 12-13-2023 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2282087)
The Evolution D5 Ranger is a 4 seat forward facing cart - slightly longer than a standard Drive 2, but 14" shorter than the Yamaha 4 seat forward facing model. It has a lithium battery. The standard Drive 2 (without all the upgrades that we put on it) is 758lbs when the tank is filled with gas. Probably a little over 800lbs when all the upgrades are added.

The EV D5 weighs 1,058 lbs with the 110ah battery, and 1,129 lbs with the 205ah battery. So it's between 258 and 329 lbs heavier than a standard Yamaha. I don't think the additional 300 lbs will significantly affect tire life, especially at the speeds golf carts are driven at.

I'm taking delivery of the 205ah version any day now - it should get somewhere between 70-100 miles per charge.

From a Yamaha brochure, the Drive 2 Concierge 4 (forward facing four seater) weights are:

EFI: 1010lbs
Lead acid: 1234lbs
LI: (This is not listed as an option)

mntlblok 12-14-2023 05:38 AM

Flagrant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2282056)
From a 2023 Yamaha brochure:

EFI weight with fuel: 785lb
Lead acid weight with battery: 1063lb
LI weight with battery: 811lb

Doesn't blatantly and flagrantly posting such data take all (or most) of the fun out of it??

Dusty_Star 12-14-2023 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2282365)
Doesn't blatantly and flagrantly posting such data take all (or most) of the fun out of it??

:1rotfl:

Bill14564 12-14-2023 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2282365)
Doesn't blatantly and flagrantly posting such data take all (or most) of the fun out of it??

I'm sorry :sad:

srswans 12-14-2023 07:47 AM

Torque Too
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2281973)
Below is a statement about EV cars/trucks only.

…making regular tire rotations crucial.

Does it factor in lithium golf cars also?
Are the lithium battery carts tires different?

Weight and torque are the two main reasons EVs have higher tire wear. The posters here have established that lithium carts weigh about the same as gas so that is not an issue.


However, the lithium carts do have more torque, and rear-wheel drive, so more frequent tires rotation may be needed.

PoolBrews 12-14-2023 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2282387)
Weight and torque are the two main reasons EVs have higher tire wear. The posters here have established that lithium carts weigh about the same as gas so that is not an issue.


However, the lithium carts do have more torque, and rear-wheel drive, so more frequent tires rotation may be needed.

On the Evolution D5 carts the torque and acceleration are adjustable. I'm having the ramp up acceleration on mine toned down as it does take off very quickly.

Southwest737 12-14-2023 08:06 AM

“regular tire rotations are crucial”?
And why is that? Never rotated my Ezgo with lithium tires. 7 years now. Same tires. Tire rotation is a waste of time.

GlenM 12-14-2023 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2282365)
Doesn't blatantly and flagrantly posting such data take all (or most) of the fun out of it??

I know what I believe; don't confuse me with facts. 😁


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