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DALEPQ 10-02-2024 10:32 AM

Helene rescue efforts ?
 
The devastation from Helene is horrific. Areas still totally cut off from access.
What I am not seeing is help coming from the National Guard/Armed Forces.
There should be massive rescue efforts from these military services.
Equipment, helicopters, air dropping crucial supplies, food, water, etc.
Not sure if the news media hasn't reported on this or if it isn't happening.
Any way to get more information on what's happening with this??

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-02-2024 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2375581)
The devastation from Helene is horrific. Areas still totally cut off from access.
What I am not seeing is help coming from the National Guard/Armed Forces.
There should be massive rescue efforts from these military services.
Equipment, helicopters, air dropping crucial supplies, food, water, etc.
Not sure if the news media hasn't reported on this or if it isn't happening.
Any way to get more information on what's happening with this??

There's lots of information on it. You're not finding it because you're looking in the wrong places.

In fact, I came back from a trip to the southeast of Florida yesterday, and at the rest area, there were dozens of rescue teams returning to Miami from North Carolina. They went in and assisted the National Guard there for three days, and had to come home to attend to our own issues here in Florida.

There have been air drops, Georgia's governor spoke with the President, Harris met with the task force and FEMA to determine needs and implement procedures for the coming days and weeks.

Yes, these disaster areas need (and received and are still receiving) National Guard assistance from adjacent states. But this is the peak hurricane season and there are more hurricanes expected. The National Guard will be needed, rested, refreshed, and ready to move to other locations as well as the season continues.

In addition, Biden has authorized and ordered the DoD to send another 1000 soldiers to assist with food, water, and other commodities needed in the hardest-hit areas. The first few days had to be rescue - they had to get the survivors out. That was the #1 priority and anything else would've been in the way of those rescues.

Instead of reading the media, try checking with the actual White House press releases. They're giving daily accounting of everything they're doing, with names, numbers, totals, locations.

blueash 10-02-2024 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2375581)
The devastation from Helene is horrific. Areas still totally cut off from access.
What I am not seeing is help coming from the National Guard/Armed Forces.
There should be massive rescue efforts from these military services.
Equipment, helicopters, air dropping crucial supplies, food, water, etc.
Not sure if the news media hasn't reported on this or if it isn't happening.
Any way to get more information on what's happening with this??

Google suggests that
1. The US military, active service, does not have a role in disaster relief for civilians although they do have protocols for disasters that happen on military bases. Requests for active aid can be initiated by other agencies

The Federal Government has been active in relief in hurricane Helene

a. See this PRESS RELEASE from the Pentagon on how they are assisting FEMA

Quote:

soldiers are assembling and moving to the affected areas within the next 24 hours, and will join other servicemembers from the Department of Defense who are already supporting FEMA's response to Hurricane Helene, including:

US Army and US Navy helicopters, Soldiers, and Sailors providing critical capability to move personnel and supplies in areas where access via roads is not available or viable.
US Air Force aircraft, helicopters, and Airmen providing search-and-rescue capabilities.
US Army Soldiers and high wheeled vehicles moving personnel and supplies over roads and terrain damaged or impassable to normal vehicles.
Army Corps of Engineers Temporary Power Teams and subject matter experts supporting debris removal, water and wastewater management, and bridge inspections.
b. The WHITE HOUSE issued a statement 2 days ago and updated today explaining what the administration had already deployed and what was available in Federal agency actions including
FEMA, Federal search and rescue, Army Corps of Engineers, US Dept of Health and Human Services, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Energy, Deptarment of Agriculture,
The White house has been directly speaking with the governors of each state in the disaster zone and offered and delivered disaster declarations and asked what support each governor believes is needed.

2. The national guard has a role in disaster relief. The guard is called to action by the individual governors of the states with disasters. The Federal government does not call up the guard. The National Guard has been "mobilized in Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia, with help from the Maryland, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Connecticut"

So to answer your question as to how to get information, I found it easily on Goggle. And there is a lot more to be read.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-02-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2375603)
Google suggests that

2. The national guard has a role in disaster relief. The guard is called to action by the individual governors of the states with disasters. The Federal government does not call up the guard. The National Guard has been "mobilized in Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia, with help from the Maryland, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Connecticut"

The National Guard in Washington DC does get called into action by the President, because DC doesn't have a governor since it's not a state.

The President can also federalize the state National Guards in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. Authorized by the Insurrection Act of 1807. A hurricane, however, is not one of those circumstances.

asianthree 10-02-2024 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2375581)
The devastation from Helene is horrific. Areas still totally cut off from access.
What I am not seeing is help coming from the National Guard/Armed Forces.
There should be massive rescue efforts from these military services.
Equipment, helicopters, air dropping crucial supplies, food, water, etc.
Not sure if the news media hasn't reported on this or if it isn't happening.
Any way to get more information on what's happening with this??

So I can give you first hand knowledge, our oldest in Greenville SC, left their home, Saturday, with thousands of downed trees, no power, cell towers, or water. On their 11 hour drive to our home in TV, they stopped counting military vehicles at 57, 45 airboats on trailers, and too many to count Duke and Seco trucks.

Sometimes relying on one news station doesn’t give you the entire picture.

Their power estimate was 10/7, however there was more damage to the grid than expected so no new date has been given. Hundreds in their town, are in search and rescue mode. Their information is coming from colleagues, who had safe shelter, outside their town.

DALEPQ 10-02-2024 08:08 PM

From the originator
 
Thanks for the updates.
Just really didn't know how to get first hand information.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-02-2024 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2375700)
Thanks for the updates.
Just really didn't know how to get first hand information.

What you do, is you ASK for it.

What you don't do, is read posts on social media and assume that they're telling the truth.

Shipping up to Boston 10-02-2024 08:27 PM

Yeah....the live video I’m watching out of NC is pretty sobering. Seems like it’s never ending!

Dotneko 10-04-2024 05:20 AM

What we havent seen on news is the still horrific conditions. They are still recovering bodies and will be for some time. I have seen some reports from friends in the area that they will start seeing the number of deaths increase as the bodies start to float to the surface. There are mule teams heading into the back country with supplies. The Cajun navy is doing a lot. As usual, FEMA is not leading the pack.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2024 06:42 AM

I do wonder why these 500 or 1000 year events keep happening rather often?

Seems like some new labels are needed .

I was about 1 mile north of Davis Creek Park on Memorial Day 1983 when an avalanche went into a mountain lake and a huge wave of water, trees and mud came down very quickly. I had been on my last day at work at a food service building at Bower's Mansion in Washoe Valley, NV. Davis Creek was on just over a ridge to the South. I had to go all around in the Valley to get South as the mud had covered the highway going South as well as pushed a school bus to the other side of the highway and had been entrenched in mud.


I think the kids who had come in the bus were fortunately not in the path of the mudslide but were off to a side.

La lamy 10-04-2024 06:51 AM

2 days ago I heard Canada is sending help.

Andyb 10-04-2024 06:54 AM

Hurricane Helene
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DALEPQ (Post 2375581)
The devastation from Helene is horrific. Areas still totally cut off from access.
What I am not seeing is help coming from the National Guard/Armed Forces.
There should be massive rescue efforts from these military services.
Equipment, helicopters, air dropping crucial supplies, food, water, etc.
Not sure if the news media hasn't reported on this or if it isn't happening.
Any way to get more information on what's happening with this??

My wife is from WNC, we both went to App St. I can tell you from many friends and family in the area, that FEMA and government help is about non existent.
Samaritan Purse and Governor DeSantis has done more. They(government) is now limiting independent and citizens from helping and has closed down air space. Many people still missing. It is a lot worse than the MSM portrays. The best thing for you to do and help is give to SamaritanPurse.org.

Bogie Shooter 10-04-2024 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2375929)
What we havent seen on news is the still horrific conditions. They are still recovering bodies and will be for some time. I have seen some reports from friends in the area that they will start seeing the number of deaths increase as the bodies start to float to the surface. There are mule teams heading into the back country with supplies. The Cajun navy is doing a lot. As usual, FEMA is not leading the pack.

Based on what?

Taltarzac725 10-04-2024 07:01 AM

I remember FEMA did a good job here in Villages with the Groundhog Day 2007 tornado. But they do need working roads to get to places.

Dotneko 10-04-2024 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2375972)
Based on what?

Reports from friends and family. Read the statement above yours saying the same thing from someone else.


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