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Robbb 12-02-2024 09:34 AM

I know this has been beat to death
 
But what is everyone doing to replace or augment their bond portfolio? I'm in the process of rebalancing and I'm struggling with having 30% of my portfolio earning 3 maybe 4% in BND or similar total bond funds.

retiredguy123 12-02-2024 09:58 AM

I keep about 15 percent of my bond investments in the Vanguard High Yield Bond fund. This fund is low grade corporate bonds, but it currently yields about 6.25 percent.

jimhoward 12-02-2024 10:10 AM

Treasuries are above 4%. So no reason to settle for 3%. If you are willing to have a relatively long duration (e.g. 10 years) in your bond portfolio and mix in agency and corporates, should have no problem getting above 5%. But that is if you own the securities and hold them to maturity. If you have a bond fund then you have interest rate risk, which could help you or hurt you depending on what rates do.

Personally, I keep my bond portfolio duration very short, and just settle for <5%.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-02-2024 10:25 AM

Look at BIL, very short term treasury bills, with both interest/dividends and cap gains.
With the yield curve very flat, you are getting the same rate as longer term treasuries.

So unless you go to a high yield index, which are the corporates, BIL will get the best return for all comparable treasury issued time periods.

As long as bonds are higher than inflation, they are doing their job in your retirement portfolio.

GFTU

Good Fortune to Us!

snbrafford 12-02-2024 11:10 AM

Get a professional financial advisor
 
Instead of relying on folks you probably don't know and who have varying degrees of investment savy, get a PROFESSIONAL financial advisor.

retiredguy123 12-02-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 2390309)
Instead of relying on folks you probably don't know and who have varying degrees of investment savy, get a PROFESSIONAL financial advisor.

What is a professional financial advisor? Most people who call themselves financial advisors are salespeople trying to make a commission or an AUM (assets under management) fee.

manaboutown 12-02-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2390313)
What is a professional financial advisor? Most people who call themselves financial advisors are salespeople trying to make a commission or an AUM (assets under management) fee.

Now THAT will cost you dearly if the advisor takes 1% of assets under management every year. Bonds bring in 4%; advisor takes 25% of income @ 1% of AUM; client is left with 3% return.

A fiduciary advisor paid a fee by the hour and seen every year or so is the way to go if one is uncomfortable making their own decisions or wants someone to talk things over.

retiredguy123 12-02-2024 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2390331)
Now THAT will cost you dearly if the advisor takes 1% of assets under management every year. Bonds bring in 4%; advisor takes 25% of income @ 1% of AUM; clients is left with 3% return.

A fiduciary advisor paid a fee by the hour and seen every year or so is the way to go if one is uncomfortable making their own decisions or wants someone to talk things over.

If you see a fiduciary advisor every year or so, how can they make a living?

manaboutown 12-02-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2390334)
If you see a fiduciary advisor every year or so, how can they make a living?

Probably like my CPA who sees some clients once a year at tax time, others all year long.

Fltpkr 12-02-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbb (Post 2390272)
But what is everyone doing to replace or augment their bond portfolio? I'm in the process of rebalancing and I'm struggling with having 30% of my portfolio earning 3 maybe 4% in BND or similar total bond funds.

I think the question cannot really be answered without knowing a lot more, such as age and circumstances, risk tolerance, investment breakdown for the remainder of your portfolio, etc. I suggest joining Bogleheads Forum and posting your question and other information there for added advice.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-02-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 2390309)
Instead of relying on folks you probably don't know and who have varying degrees of investment savy, get a PROFESSIONAL financial advisor.

oh please. . like no one here has any experience with their own retirement and we are sure that professionals are in the business to make money, so starting with experience here for free might not be a bad idea. .

you never know what you can learn from experienced posters. . .

retiredguy123 12-02-2024 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbb (Post 2390272)
But what is everyone doing to replace or augment their bond portfolio? I'm in the process of rebalancing and I'm struggling with having 30% of my portfolio earning 3 maybe 4% in BND or similar total bond funds.

If you expect to earn significantly more than 4 percent in investment grade bonds, you are dreaming. You need to invest in low grade bonds or stocks that will carry some risk.

Caymus 12-02-2024 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2390313)
What is a professional financial advisor? Most people who call themselves financial advisors are salespeople trying to make a commission or an AUM (assets under management) fee.

And in many states the requirements to be a financial advisor are less than those to be a licensed barber or plumber or other trades.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-02-2024 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2390341)
If you expect to earn significantly more than 4 percent in investment grade bonds, you are dreaming. You need to invest in low grade bonds or stocks that will carry some risk.

For bonds, one is looking for 1-2% over the rate of inflation for a decent return.
The purpose of bonds is to reduce risk to the portfolio, as well as to have a return which is negatively correlated to equities. There are occassions when bonds and stocks are positively correlated, but that is not the long term relationship.

Bonds also provide cash return when stocks are losing. . effectively constantly supplying cash for withdrawal without impacting the equity portfolio.

I am sure that you would not like bonds at 8% or so as it will upset your equity portfolio much more than just a better return on bonds. .

Robbb 12-02-2024 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 2390309)
Instead of relying on folks you probably don't know and who have varying degrees of investment savy, get a PROFESSIONAL financial advisor.

I get this, however I have used 3 different advisors over my "career" and have never had results that beat a well balanced index portfolio.


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